January 2001doc.: IEEE 802.11-00/116
Minutes of 802.11 Task Group H January 2001 Interem
Date:January 15, 2001
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Minutes of the IEEE P802.11 Task Group H January 2001 Interem
January 15 - 19, 2001
Hyatt Regency Monterey, Monterey, CA
1.1. Meeting TGh Cypress 1-3
1.1.1. Agenda presented and revised
Item 3.2 to introduce the three documents. Not to discuss the documents in detail. Left as it is.
Requests for motions and objections
Motion to approve the document – Passed with no objections
1.1.2. TGh introduction
Scope of the task group presented
Purpose of the project presented: Change both MAC & PHY
Request for comments - No comments.
1.1.3. SMASG Functional Requirements
SGh Comparison Criteria
Draft SMa Study Group Proposal Selection Process
AI- To prepare a call for initial proposals – Mika Kasslin
Two teleconferences since Tampa mtg.
2 Procedures to ensure that regulatory requirements are met.
Any questions or comments – No comments
1.1.4. Action Item 4
2nd teleconference. If the standard is to be effective the
ERC requirements should be addressed.
ERC/DEC/(99)23 – available on server. Defines the requirements that apply to H/2 – DFS – TPC
Bands 5150 – 5350, 5470 – 5725
DFS required – Avoid interference with radar system. Uniform spectrum loading 330MHz or 255MHz in later band
IEEE doc 802.11-01/0333
Designated bands, TPC required
EU Directive => ETSI Guide Directive 1999/?
EN – European Norm. Recognized by European union – Radio conformance test. Approved in the Dec meeting. Public inquiry through EC initiated. ETSI to ask different countries for comment.
1.1.5. Invitation for discussion. General Discussion.
Limit Tackle European requirements
Objective to define apparatus in presence of licensed operators
Challenge: Detect most weak licensed operators. It is not in current standard.
It is an implementation issue - Jamshed
To take more active role in defining spectrum management requirements.
Satisfy primary users that bands can be shared.
Problem in IEEE std. –32 dbc third channel assessment. Greater sensitivity may be required.
Basic requirements of co-existence – DFS. For IEEE 802.11 too
DFS is also an operational issue for co-existence - Jamshed
DFS-TPC as a spectrum efficiency mechanism.
Carl: Difficult to specify requirements. Requirements are moving targets. Requirements set on ongoing basis. The groups are not known or decided.
Requirements do not even exists.
France: Asking for testing DFS so that it actually works.
Process: How do we decide who the bodies are?
Mika: Cooperate with ETSI BRAN. Do not know other bodies.
Good opportunity to discuss with regulatory group.
Spectrum in UK: lose middle part and then loose start point as well due to spreading requirement.
Session extended for ten minutes.
Peter Ecclesine – Cisco
Radio LANS are not the primary users of the band. To avoid interference with other users.
Already low power measurement apparatus. New Primitive suggested:
Next meeting tomorrow with R-Reg Tue 1/16 3.30 – 5.30
1.2. Meeting adjourned at 5:25 PM
2. Tuesday Evening
Stefan MangoldAachen University
Le Scolan LionelCanon Research Centre France
2.2.1. Juha Heiskala
2.3. Call to order
2.3.1. 6:50 PM
2.4.1. Presentation of contributions
188.8.131.52. Document 01/062: "Discussion of TGh Requirements (00/369) and Comparision Criteria (00/421) Documents," Bill McFarland, Atheros Communications
2.4.2. Process documents
184.108.40.206. 00/369 SMASG Functional Requirements Recommendations
220.127.116.11. 00/421 SGh Comparision Criteria
18.104.22.168. 00/284 Draft SMa Study Group Proposal Selection Process
2.5. Presentation of contributions
2.5.1. Document 01/062: "Discussion of TGh Requirements (00/369) and Comparision Criteria (00/421) Documents," Bill McFarland, Atheros Communications
22.214.171.124.1. What are the essential requirements in Europe?
126.96.36.199.2. Problems with the current functional requirements and comparision criteria documents.
2.6. Process documents
2.6.1. 00/369 SMASG Functional Requirements Recommendations
188.8.131.52.1. Status of the current version of the document.
184.108.40.206.2. Change the document name and number to reflect TGh status.
220.127.116.11.3. Proposed requirement 1.2 not adopted.
18.104.22.168.4. Requirement 1.1 left as is.
22.214.171.124.5. Requirement 1.3 left as is.
126.96.36.199.6. Requirement 1.4 left as is.
188.8.131.52.7. New requirement about the required compliance of the requirements of the new standard was added.
184.108.40.206.8. Requirement 1.5 left as is.
220.127.116.11.9. Requirement 2.1 left as is.
18.104.22.168.10. Requirement 2.2.1 replaced by a suggestion from document 01/062.
22.214.171.124.11. Requirement 2.2.2 relexed to be equal with the ERC recommendation.
126.96.36.199.12. Requirement 2.3.1 text made more abstract about the required management MAC frames.
188.8.131.52.13. Requirement 184.108.40.206 left as is.
220.127.116.11.14. Requirement 18.104.22.168 left as is.
22.214.171.124.15. Requirement 2.4.1 left as is.
126.96.36.199.16. Requirement 2.4.2 word 'power' removed.
188.8.131.52.17. Requirement 3.1.1 left as is.
184.108.40.206.18. Requirement 3.2.1 left as is.
220.127.116.11.19. Requirement 3.2.2 left as is.
18.104.22.168.20. Requirement 3.2.3 the definition of which entity requests channel state information removed.
22.214.171.124.21. Requirement 3.2.4 some word smithing to better convey the intent of the requirement.
126.96.36.199.22. Requirement 3.2.5 moved to comparision criteria.
188.8.131.52.23. Requirement 184.108.40.206 specific reference to AP removed.
220.127.116.11.24. Requirement 18.104.22.168 specific reference to AP removed.
22.214.171.124.25. Requirement 126.96.36.199 left as is.
188.8.131.52.26. Requirement 184.108.40.206 left as is.
220.127.116.11.27. Requirement 18.104.22.168 text about meeting requirements removed.
22.214.171.124.28. Requirement 126.96.36.199. left as is.
188.8.131.52.29. Requirement 184.108.40.206 left as is.
220.127.116.11.30. Requirement 3.4.1 left as is.
18.104.22.168.31. Requirement 3.4.2 left as is.
22.214.171.124.32. Editor will get a new document number and implement the decided changes.
2.7. Adjourn 9.25pm
3. Wednesday morning
3.1.1. Juha Heiskala
3.2. Call to order
3.3.1. Presentation of contributions
126.96.36.199. Document 01/062: "Discussion of TGh Requirements (00/369) and Comparision Criteria (00/421) Documents," Bill McFarland, Atheros Communications
3.3.2. Process documents
188.8.131.52. 01/071 TGh Functional Requirements Recommendations
184.108.40.206. 00/421 SGh Comparision Criteria
220.127.116.11. 00/284 Draft SMa Study Group Proposal Selection Process
3.4. Presentation of contributions
3.4.1. Document 01/062: "Discussion of TGh Requirements (00/369) and Comparision Criteria (00/421) Documents," Bill McFarland, Atheros Communications, presentation of the second part of the document referring to the comparision criteria
18.104.22.168.1. How to integrate suggested changes.
3.5. Process documents
3.5.1. 00/421 SGh Comparision Criteria
22.214.171.124.1. Add a new robustnerss criteria topic
126.96.36.199.2. Criteria 1 changed to refer to the functional requirements document.
188.8.131.52.3. New criteria added from document 01/062 for power saving, probing and association, roaming and hanoff, security, QoS
184.108.40.206.4. Marketability category changed to System performance
220.127.116.11.5. New criteria added from document 01/062 under Robustness category for stability, error recovery, robustness to channel assessment errors, fairness in thruput in the presence of co-channel radio users.
18.104.22.168.6. Overall network thruput added to performance criteria
4. Thursday afternoon
4.1.1. Juha Heiskala
4.2. Call to order
4.3.1. Presentation of contributions
4.3.2. Review documents
22.214.171.124. 01/071 TGh Functional Requirements Recommendations
126.96.36.199. 01/085 SGh Comparision Criteria
188.8.131.52. 01/093 TGh Proposal Selection Process
4.3.3. Adopt documets as official TGh documents
184.108.40.206. 01/071 TGh Functional Requirements Recommendations
220.127.116.11. 01/085 SGh Comparision Criteria
18.104.22.168. 01/093 TGh Proposal Selection Process
4.3.4. Reissue Call for Proposals
4.4. Presentation of contributions
4.5. Process documents
4.5.1. 01/093 TGh Proposal Selection Process
22.214.171.124.1. Exact meaning of item 13 commented.
4.5.2. Review of document 01/071 TGh Functional Requirements Recommendations
126.96.36.199.1. Comment on item 4.4.1 about new channel definitions.
4.5.3. Motion to accept document 01/071 as the Functional Requirements for TGh.
188.8.131.52. Move: Raju Gubbi
184.108.40.206. Second: Evan Green
220.127.116.11. Discussion: none
18.104.22.168. Vote: 10/0/0 pass
4.5.4. Review of document 01/085 TGh Comparison Criteria
22.214.171.124.1. Update document numbers.
126.96.36.199.2. Clarification to items 2.1 and 2.2
188.8.131.52.3. Some questions regarding performance sub items.
4.5.5. Motion to accept document 01/085r1 as the comparison criteria for TGh.
184.108.40.206. Move: Raju Gubbi
220.127.116.11. Second: Sunghyun Choi
18.104.22.168. Discussion: none
22.214.171.124. Vote: 11/0/0 pass
4.5.6. Review of document 01/093 TGh Proposal Selection Process
126.96.36.199.1. Change to item 1 to allow incomplete proposals.
188.8.131.52.2. Change item 2 to cover incomplete proposals.
184.108.40.206.3. Item 6 modified to require chair to notify TGh within two weeks after the cut-off date.
220.127.116.11.4. Comments on item 7 and when proposals have to be complete.
18.104.22.168.5. Discussion on the overall selection process.
22.214.171.124.6. Item 13 clarified.
126.96.36.199.7. Items 19 and 20 clarified.
4.5.7. Motion to accept document 01/093r1 Proposal Selection Process as TGh proposal selection process.
188.8.131.52. Move: Raju Gubbi
184.108.40.206. Second: Carl Temme
220.127.116.11. Discussion: none
18.104.22.168. Vote: 12/0/0 pass
4.6. Motion to set a cut-off date for proposals no sooner than March 31th 2001.
4.6.1. Move: Raju Gubbi
4.6.2. Second: Evan Green
4.6.3. Discussion: none
4.6.4. Vote: 10/0/0 pass
4.7. Motion to authorize teleconferences February 15th 2001 and March 1st 2001 at 8.00 AM Pasific Standard Time. Chair shall organize logistics.
4.7.1. Move: Chris Hanson
4.7.2. Second: Evan Green
4.7.3. Discussion: none
4.7.4. Vote: 10/0/0 pass
Submissionpage 1 Juha Heiskala, Nokia, Amjad Soomro, Philips