Minutes ELS2SBR

EVENT SUMMARY / CONSULTATION / UNCLASSIFIED
format / EVENT TYPE / ISSUE Date / Classification
ELS2SBR SWD TWG– Minutes / File Ref: / N/a
Title: / eCommerce Software Developer (SWD) Technical Working Group (TWG)
Venue: / Phone conference call: 1800 857 853, then 843433#
Event Date: / 14thof August2014 / Start: / 2:04pm / Finish: / 2:55pm
Chair: / Brian Shepherd / Minute Taker: / Michael Serena
Contact: / SILU / Contact Phone: / 1300 139 062
Attendees:
Names/Section / Andrew Ritchie, Atif Mehmood, Brian Shepherd, Dheerender Palani, Gary Anderson, Hristo Pavlov, Jack Wee, Lisa Masin, Liz Cure, Martin Najjar, Melissa Oxman, Michael Serena, Mike Behling, Raj Sadasivam, Raj Veerachettiar, Rambabu Challagulla, Santosh Thankachan, Scott Hughes, Sethu Madhavan, Ted Simes, Thomas Tschirschwitz,Tim De Hann, Vitaly Sidorenko, Wendy Tse
Apologies:
Name/Section / Mwaniki Wa-Gichia
next Meeting: / 11ndSeptember 2014

AGENDA TOPICS

item 1
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Introduction
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Brian Shepherd
Discussion
  • Roll-call conducted as attendees joined the hook-up.
  • Attendees welcomed by Brian S.

Conclusions
  • N/A.

Action items / Person responsible / Deadline
  • None.

item 2
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Review PAST Minutes For 24th July2014
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Brian Shepherd
Discussion
  • Comments invited for the minutes circulated as pre-reading.
  • Martin N commented that his attendance had been missed from being recorded in the minutes.

Conclusions
  • eCommerce SWD TWG accepted minutes with the caveat that the attendance section be updated to reflect all attendees.

Action items / Person responsible / Deadline
  • Amend minutes to reflect presence of Martin Najjar
/ Michael Serena / Complete.
item 3
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Discuss SWD Issue List
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Brian Shepherd
Discussion
  • Brian Ssummarised changes/updates to the issues since the last eCommerce SWD TWG
  • SWDI20 (SWDD12) – Combining validation response with final business response for intermediary batch was discussed in last eCommerce SWD TWG and agreed. Issue resolution and status updated to reflect this; and Brian S proposed to close this issue.
  • No objections raised, issue closed.
  • SWDI21 (SWDD13) – Batch sizes set at 1000 initially with the belief that a 60minute SLA could be achieved but performance testing revealed that for a small number of transmissions it could take as long as 97 minutes.
  • Brian S proposed that rather than reduce batch sizes the SLA be increased to 120 minutes and asked if any SWDs had objections to this proposal.
  • Both MYOB and Catsoft expressed no particular preference.
  • Brian S invited further feedback via the eCommerce SWD TWG <> inbox for SWDs that didn’t voice an opinion during the SWD TWG.
  • Brian S mentioned he would proposed the options to ATO Business and TPALS to see if they had a preference for one or the other.
  • Also noted was we would not be locked in and that this could be changed any a future date if required.
  • Brian S stated the issue would remain open until there was a firm decision.
  • Brian reiterated that any feedback or any new issues could be forwarded to the eCommerce SWD TWG <> inbox.

Conclusions
  • eCommerce SWD TWG accepted the issues spread sheet proposals discussed.

Action items / Person responsible / Deadline
  • Close issue SWDI20
/ Michael Serena / 20/08/2014
  • Discuss preference for reduced batch size or increased SLA times with ATO Business and TPALS
/ Brian Shepherd / 27/08/2014
item 4
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Walk-through Release 2 Report Design
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Brian Shepherd
Discussion
  • Brian S commenced the walk-through initially with an apology for the late delivery of the slide deck; and asked if everybody had received it and had a copy to reference during the walk-through. No comment returned.
  • Brian S commenced; expressing this was the main focus for the meeting, as requested last meeting and proceeded covering off slides 1, 2, 3 inviting comments to which there were none.
  • Slide 4 attracted a by a SWD regarding the request of a report. Once the request is submitted, how do we know when it is ready to get?
  • Brian S replied:
  • Compulsory:It will be published in the MIG; a scheduled date/time that it can be Pulled
  • Subscribed (regular daily EFT): Time to be set and also published in the MIG
  • On-demand:
  • For a single client, - processed timely ( MIG will give guidance e.g. in a minute, up to 5 minutes)
  • For up to a 1000 clients, or a report for the whole tax-practice( may be longer)
  • Brian S asked if that answered the question; to which the SWD replied YES, however there may some more questions down the track.
  • Brian S asked if clarification around the MEPs was required for collecting reports; to which there was no comment.
  • Slide 5- question was raised when discussing a Tax Agent. Is there a different treatment for a practice with one Agent id or many Agent ids? Most of the current ELS reporting are based on the whole practice.
  • Mel O replied that it would likely be attached to the AUSkey.
  • Comment that ELS is per Agent; is it now per AUSkey?
  • Brian S asked if this question could be drafted and emailed to the eCommerce SWD TWG <> inbox for follow up.
  • During agenda item 7 - Other Items: Mel O advised she had followed up this SWD question, and that;
  • There was one TAN per request. To get the whole practice would need multiple requests.
  • To which the SWD replied that this was the answer being sought and there would be no need to draft the question for follow up.
  • Slide 6 – question regarding the possibility that reports are lost in transit; after a one-way push will the following pull et the next report
  • Brian S replied that the pull is destructive (a one off), and you can’t pull again; however the agent can send the request again.
  • Question – What if there is a time-out and the report is not received? To which Brian S replied that the ATO provided MSH (Embedded client) should handle this; submission is confirmed for a single response, the report will not be deleted until the MSH confirms delivery.
  • Brian S invited questions on GetReport.
  • Will it need the agent identifier? Yes. This is in the eb:From field within eb:PartyInfo, as well as in the XBRL context identifier.
  • Slide 7 – General question on whether there was anything else on the portal that Agents will need to do to enable access for SBR
  • Brian S replied No; this will match what the agent can do on Portal. The mock-up shows that the permissions are “channel agnostic”. Permissions would apply to any channel. This answer was accepted.
  • Brian S invited further comments and questions
  • Comments returned was that this was a good high level view and that it would be good to see the MIGs
  • Brian S set an action item to find out expected delivery of the MIG for this report design.

Conclusions
  • N/A.

Action items / Person responsible / Deadline
  • Inform SWD TWG the delivery date for the MIG for R2 report design.
/ Brian Shepherd / 28/08/2014
item 5
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Embedded client – Licence Update
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Liz Cure
Discussion
  • Controlled testing is now complete for the ATO ebMS3 client within the SBR2 EVTE for the initial four software developers engaged.
  • ATO is now inviting and encouraging others to join and participate in further testing.
  • Instructions will be released via SILU on the process to engage.

Conclusions
  • N/A.

Action items / Person responsible / Deadline
  • Circulate instructions for SWD on how to commence the on boarding process.
/ Liz Cure via SILU / 22/08/2014
item 6
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ELS Prior Year Forms
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Liz Cure
Discussion
  • Liz C commented that clarification will be sent out regarding the years that would be made available.
  • Mel Oxman added that this was available in the ELS DIS document
  • Comment by SWD that this identified only up to 2014; to which Mel O replied that the next year’s A06 document would be updated to include the 2015 forms available.
  • SWD question – what is the date of the re-release of the ebMS3 client documents.
  • Liz C to follow up and inform SWD TWG.

Conclusions
  • N/A.

Action items / Person responsible / Deadline
  • Circulate miscommunication
/ Michael (on behalf of Liz C) via SILU / 15/08/2014
  • Advise SWD TWG of date to re-release ebMS3 client documentation
/ Liz Cure / 28/08/2014
item 7
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Other Items
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Brian Shepherd
Discussion
  • Brian S invited any other items/issues/questions or discussion points.
  • Gary A highlighted date for the next SWD TWG is the 11/09/2014.
  • Mel O added comments related to discussion for agenda item 4 on the AUSkey and TAN which I have inserted at item 4 marked in italics.
  • Brian S invited feedback comments on today or anything relevant to ELS2SBR to the eCommerce SWD TWG <> inbox.

Conclusions
  • N/A.

Action items / Person responsible / Deadline
  • None.

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