NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING (NDT)
OCTOBER 2015
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 19-22, 2015
PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, 19-OCT-2015 to THURSDAY, 22-OCT-2015
1.0 OPENING COMMENTS - CLOSED
1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Nondestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 8:01 am, 19-Oct-2015 by Dave Royce.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEGary / Adkins / Eaton, Aerospace Group
* / Peter / Bartsch / Premium Aerotec
* / Stephen / Bauer / Northrop Grumman Corporation
Justin / Bearden / Triumph Group
* / Philippe / Beck / Airbus Helicopters
John / Biddulph / Rolls-Royce
* / Mitch / Birzer / Gulfstream Aerospace
* / Alain / Bouchet / SAFRAN Group
* / Juergen / Burchards / MTU Aero Engines AG
Jonathan / Chung / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich )
* / Michael / Clark / Sikorsky Aircraft Corp.
David / Cohn / The Boeing Company
Jason / Cook / Textron Defense Systems
* / Richard / Costantino / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
* / Michael / Daehling / Textron Aviation
* / Chris / Dootson / BAE Systems - MAI
* / Steven / Garner / Eaton, Aerospace Group
* / Frederic / Girard / Pratt & Whitney Canada
* / Jim / Graves / Rolls-Royce Corporation
* / Harry / Hahn / GE Aviation
* / Greg / Hall / Northrop Grumman Corporation
Yusuke / Hamada / Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
* / Edward / Hohman / Bell Helicopter Textron Inc.
* / Yoshiharu / Kuze / Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd.
* / Marc-André / Lefebvre / Heroux-Devtek, Inc.
Jill / Lewis / Parker Aerospace
Fred / Lutz / Spirit AeroSystems
Giacomo / Maione / Alenia Aermacchi S.p.A.
* / Steve / McCool / Honeywell Aerospace / Secretary
Neil / Metcalfe / GKN Aerospace
* / Dale / Norwood / Parker Aerospace Stratoflex Products Div
* / Scott / O'Connor / Honeywell Aerospace
* / Gary / O'Neill / Parker Aerospace Gas Turbine Fuel System Div
* / Justin / Payne / Cessna Aircraft Company
Vittoria / Pianese / Alenia Aermacchi S.p.A.
* / Robert / Rainone / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
Sergio / Rivas / Parker Hannifin
* / David / Royce / Pratt & Whitney / Chairperson
* / Kurt / Ruoff / General Dynamics Corp.
* / Bobby / Scott / Bombardier Inc.
Xiccohang "Mike" / Song / Sikorsky Aircraft Corp.
* / Chris / Stevenson / Rolls-Royce
* / Walter / Tonizzo / Heroux-Devtek, Inc.
* / Peter / Torelli / The Boeing Company
* / Tony / Warren / Airbus / Vice Chairperson
Scott / Wegener / Rockwell Collins
* / Sean / Wood / Triumph Group
Gregory / Wryk / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEJames / Ahlemeyer / Ducommun Aerostructures NY
* / Mark / Airey / Robert Stuart Ltd.
Jesse / Alberto / Connecticut Tool & Manufacturing LLC
* / Christopher / Andersen / PCC Structurals
Vincent / Antonpillai / Lisi Aerospace Canada
Leandro / Aparicio / Advanced Coating Technique
* / Michael / Ashton / Hexcel Kent
* / Andy / Bakewell / E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd.
Lawerence / Baldelli / Met-L-Test Laboratory
* / Shawn / Ballou / Wyman Gordon
* / Doug / Barra / X-Ray Industries
David / Beard / PCC Airfoils LLC
Marc / Breit / RIL-CHEMIE
Cathy / Daly / Alcoa Howmet Winsted Machining
* / Douglas / Davies / Alcoa Fastening Systems
Sharon / Davis / Northeast Testing & Mfg, LLC.
John / Edwards / Edwards Services
Sheldon / Emmanuel / DCI Aerotech
Brad / Gallion / Chromalloy
Nathan / Gangloff / RBC Aircraft Products Inc
* / Richard / Gasset / Lisi Aerospace
David / Geis / Magnaflux
Susan / Generalovich / Solar Atmospheres of Western PA
* / David / Gray / Mitchell Labs
Michael J. / Guthmiller / Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.
Bob / Henchar / X-R-I Testing
Don / Horzewski / Ladish Co, Inc.
Gene / Hubbard / RBC Aircraft Products Inc.
Steve / Hutchinson / Braddock Metallurgical
Tiffani / Ivins / Acuren
Christopher / Joy / Orbit Industries Inc.
Kevin / Kalidonis / Allegheny Ludlum LLC d/b/a/ ATI Flat Rolled Products
* / Richard / King / New Hampshire Ball Bearings
Phillip / Knox / Triumph Aerostructures
Michael / Kowatch / Product Evaluation Systems
Kris / Krishnamoorshy / Applus RTD Canada LP
Superemaneyam / Kuppusamy / Upeca Aerotech Sdn.Bhd
Yanick / Lavallee / RTI Claro Inc.
Shelly / Lawless / Meyer Tool, Inc.
Angela / Leone / LORD Corp.
Lionel / Lesieur / Alcoa Howmet Normandy Castings
Grant / Lilley / Meyer Tool, Inc.
Brian / Loucsoy / Carpenter Technology
Bill / Lunde / Meteor Corp
Jim / MacMillan / ATS
* / D.E. "Skip" / McDougall / Hitco Carbon Composites
* / Zachary / Medeiros / Timken Aerospace
* / Dave / Mitchell / Composite Inspection Solutions
Juan / Moreno / Omni Metal Finishing
* / Julie / Nguyen / Element Materials Technologies
* / Blair / O'Connell / Precision Castparts Corp.
Larry / Olsen / Valley Metals
Brynn-Marie / O'Neill / Ellison Surface Technologies
Stefano / Pasquino / Bytest
John / Peterson / Wolkerstorfer Co. Inc.
* / Curt / Powell / PCC Structurals
* / Steve / Radelich / Jorgensen Forge
Chris / Reed / Ducommun AeroStructures
Catherine / Renfer / Consolidated Precision Products
Ken / Rettger / LORD Corp.
Robert / Rich / SPS Technologies
Kevin / Rodriguez / Castle Industries of California
* / Cindy / Roth / Team Industrial Services
Mark / Rumsey / Carpenter Technology
* / Frank / Saenz / Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
Agostino / Sardo / Bytest s.r.l.
John / Scheuermann / Yankee Casting
Carl / Schulz / Scot Forge
Parvinder / Sidhu / Northstar Aerospace Canada LTD Milton
Mark / Sievert / Triumph Thermal Systems
Harold / Slaterpryce / PCC Airfoils, LLC
* / Bernd / Spelsberg / Otto Fuchs KG
* / Michael D. / Steele / Northstar Aerospace Chicago Inc.
Jackie / Sternot / PAKO, Inc.
Dawn / Stokes / PTI Industries Inc.
* / Gary / White / Orbit Industries Inc.
Rusty / White / Haynes Intl.
David / Wilk / Semiray Special Process
Brian / Yetman / Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
Rob / Yocom / Imagineering Finishing Tech.
Brian / Zentis / LORD Corp.
PRI Staff Present
Mark / AubeleMike / Gutridge
Dave / Marcyjanik
Michael / Ploucha
Cathy / Rush
Kellie / Roach
1.2 Safety Information
1.3 Reviewed Code of Ethics (Ref: Attendees’ Guide) and Meeting Conduct
Dave Royce recognized Bobby Scott for all of his efforts and accomplishments as past chair of NDT Task Group.
1.4 The Antitrust Video was presented (only at the first open and first closed meeting of the week for each Task Group)
1.5 The Agenda was reviewed.
1.6 Acceptance of Meeting Minutes – OPEN
The minutes from June 2015 NDT Task Group meeting in Montreal, Canada were approved as written.
Motion made by Alain Bouchet and seconded by Scott Wegener to approve acceptance of meeting minutes from June 2015 Montreal Meeting. Motion Passed.
1.7 RAIL Review – OPEN
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed.
For specific details, please see the current NDT Rolling Action Item List posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
2.0 REVIEW DELEGATION STATUS – CLOSED
Dave Marcyjanik reviewed the delegation statistics of the following NDT Staff Engineers:
Mark Aubele
Jim Bennett
Phil Ford
P. Michael Gutridge
Dave Marcyjanik
Andy Statham
Motion made by Pete Torelli and seconded by Alain Bouchet to approve continued delegation to NDT Staff Engineers. Motion Passed.
3.0 TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED
Dave Marcyjanik reported on the status of regular business items.
4.0 NEW BUSINESS– CLOSED
Dave Marcyjanik discussed the following new business items:
160226 Failure Ballot: Closes 22-OCT-2015 Mike Gutridge requested activity from subscribers.
160278 Failure Ballot: Submitted to failure for cycles. Mike Gutridge discussed and asked for subscriber action. The Failure Ballot ends 22-OCT-2015. A discussion took place as to whether this Supplier has design authority of product. Dave Royce suggested that staff go back to the Supplier to confirm if product is manufactured to prime requirements or by Supplier design. Mike Gutridge suggested that subscribers go back into the Failure Ballot and describe what actions they expect from this Supplier.
162926/151891 regarding Task Group Resolution of NCR #1: A Supplier concern was discussed regarding that this is not a nonsustaining NCR. This Supplier wants the nonsustaining to be removed and this finding to be downgraded to a minor. An NDT Task Group resolution discussion ensued in which members posted their disposition in the audits.
Alain Bouchet asked about status of the Risk Mitigation process. Mike Gutridge suggested that it will be taken back by Staff Engineers instead of having Subscribers be solely responsible for these audits. A proposal will be made by the Nadcap Management Council (NMC) and procedure OP1110 will be revised accordingly once feedback is received from all NMC members.
Dave Marcyjanik discussed Digital Radiography (DDA) and Computed Radiography (CR) training update for auditors. It was noted that a DDA/CR training was currently in-progress this week at PRI Headquarters and being instructed by Phil Ford.
Mike Gutridge detailed the review of all Auditor Advisories by PRI Staff to confirm validity. Many were cancelled as they had been incorporated into the new revisions of the audit checklists.
NDT Auditor Advisory 10-06 was discussed and deferred to the AC7114/3 (UT) method team for review and consideration. The AC7114/3 method team will report out on their findings and discussions.
ACTION ITEM: The AC7114/3 Method team is actioned to review the advisory to determine if it is still applicable. (Due Date: 31-JAN-2016)
NDT Auditor Advisory 10-05 was discussed. Most of the issues have been incorporated into the audit checklists. Needed confirmation from Task Group that it is acceptable to cancel.
Motion made by Ed Hohman and seconded by Scott Wegener to cancel NDT Auditor Advisory 10-05. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to cancel NDT Auditor Advisory 10-05. (Due Date: 31-DEC-2015)
NDT Auditor Advisory 13-10 was discussed. This has been resolved by revision of the Subscriber supplemental checklist questions.
Motion made by Steve McCool and seconded by Sean Wood to cancel NDT Auditor Advisory 13-10. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to cancel advisory NDT Auditor Advisory 13-10. (Due Date: 31-DEC-2015)
Mike Gutridge asked how far can auditor/suppliers go back for archived and current paperwork for compliance jobs, and if twenty four months is still an acceptable length of time to review archived documents.
Motion made by Alain Bouchet and seconded by Dale Norwood to approve the review time for compliance job documentation to remain at two years (24 months) and to issue an auditor advisory for clarification. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to issue an Auditor Advisory indicating that archived compliance job documentation do not need to be reviewed further than 2 years prior. (Due Date: 31-DEC-2015)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to add to DCS a CAG for all checklists indicating that archived compliance jobs documentation do not need to be reviewed further than 2 years prior. (Due Date: 31-DEC-2015)
Tony Warren brought up discussion of availability of mercury vapor bulbs for UV black lights. As of May 2016 mercury vapor bulbs for UV black lights cannot be imported into Europe. The Task Group was instructed to urgently work on this issue of LED lights to be ready prior to May 2016. The Task Group will discuss this issue in more detail within the ad hoc portion during this meeting.
Tony Warren discussed the NANDTB board exams. Which NANDTB exams the NDT auditors need to look at needs to be clearly understood and explained. This is still not completely resolved based upon issuance of NAS410, Rev. 4. This topic still requires further review and clarification; however no action is needed by the Task Group at this time.
John Biddulph discussed how NANDTB’s satisfy EASA Part 145 regulation but need to satisfy the requirements of prEN4179 Edition P5 and NAS 410 revision 4. NANDTB’s who are members of ANDTBF should comply with ANDTBF/08. A discussion ensued on how this is demonstrated and verified. Additionally how it can be monitored/audited.
Motion made by Bobby Scott and seconded by Jim Graves to bring this discussion forward to NMC for review and consideration for the potential of setting up a program of auditing and/or monitoring the examination process for NANDTB’s. Motion Passed. 5 Abstention votes.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to forward to NMC a potential program to audit / monitor the examination process for NANDTBs. (Due Date: 31-DEC-2015)
A request from a Supplier to extend their accreditation of audit 158279 was presented to the Task Group for a 90 day period while they close that facility and transfer all equipment to the new facility that also has a current accreditation.
Motion made by Alain Bouchet and seconded by Mike Clark to approve the requested 90 day extension to audit that will allow the Supplier the time requested to move parts. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to extend the accreditation date of Supplier’s audit in question to 31-JAN-2016. (Due Date: 31-OCT-2015)
5.0 REVIEW MEMBERSHIP STATUS – CLOSED
Dave Marcyjanik presented an update on subscriber membership status, and the audit report reviewer status requirement in OP 1114. The NDT Appendix wasrevised to remove the requirement for 5 audit packages per review period.
Antonio Ciliberto (Alenia Aermacchia) has been replaced by Giacomo Maione as the new Subsciber Voting Member and Vittoria Pianese as Alternate Subscriber Voting Member.