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[11:54] henning: good evening!
[12:02] Martin C waves</B< pre>
[12:10] anish: Scribe: Dave Booz
[12:11] Dave Booz:Oct 18 2007 - SCA Bindings TC
[12:11] Dave Booz: scribe: Dave Booz
[12:11] Dave Booz: agenda:
[12:11] anish i'll help with the commands, if you want during the meeting</B< pre>
[12:11] Dave Booz: 1. Opening
Introductions
Roll call
Scribe assignment
Top 10 on the scribe list (full list below):
Dale Moberg Axway Software
Reza Shafii BEA Systems, Inc.
William Barnhill Booz Allen Hamilton
Jeff Anderson Deloitte Consulting LLP
Jacques Durand Fujitsu Limited
Graham Barber IBM
Michael Beisiegel IBM
David Booz IBM
Mike Edwards IBM
Agenda bashing
2. Approval of minutes of SCA-Binding TC meeting of 11th October
3. Actions
Action:[Sanjay] Resolve the URL/namespace issue with Steering Comm./OASIS staff.
4. New Issues
Use of wsdli:wsdlLocation does not match WSDL 2.0 specification
Rules for WSDL generation create invalid WSDL by using "/" where it is not allowed.
"Formal" WSDL generation is unclear, ambiguous, and incomplete
5. Open Issue Discussion
How should SCA callback semantics be carried over Web Services?
Latest email in discussion thread:
JMS bindingType and conversation intent
Latest email in thread:
JMS bindingType and atLeastOne intent overlaps with setting JMSDeliveryMode
Latest email in thread:
6. AOB
[12:11] anish: chair: Martin Chapman
[12:12] Dave Booz thx anish</B< pre>
[12:12] anish: Topic: approval of minutes
[12:12] Dave Booz: motion to accept the minutes, Jeff M, second by Mike E
[12:13] Dave Booz: minutes accepted unanimously
[12:13] anish: topic: AI review
[12:13] Dave Booz you're faster than I am</B< pre>
[12:14] Dave Booz: Namespace URL issue is ongoing, AI is still open
[12:15] Martin C:
org/specGuidelines/namingGuidelines/metadata03.html#version
[12:15] Sanjay:
[12:15] Martin C: Working Draft 01
Working Draft 02
Working Draft 03
Working Draft 04
Committee Draft 01
Committee Draft 02
Committee Draft 03
Public Review Draft 01
Public Review Draft 02
Committee Specification 01
Committee Specification 02
[12:15] anish: topic: revision numbers of drafts and specifications
[12:16] anish: so it would look like: SCA JMS binding version 1.1 working draft 01
[12:16] Sanjay: which call is this?
[12:17] Dave Booz: motion by Tom R; to adopt the OASIS naming guidelines for document drafts
[12:17] Dave Booz: second from Henning
[12:17] Dave Booz: no objections, motion passes
[12:17] Dave Booz: topic: new issues
[12:18] Dave Booz: Issue-9
[12:18] Dave Booz: s/Issue-9/BINDINGS-9
[12:18] Dave Booz did I do that right?</B< pre>
[12:20] anish i think u need a end slash, but not 100% if it is necessary</B< pre>
[12:20] anish i would add it just in case. I know with the trailing slash it works</B< pre>
[12:20] anish: s/Issue-9/BINDINGS-9/
[12:21] anish: +1 to the issue and intended resolution
[12:21] Dave Booz: no objections to opening BINDINGS-9
[12:21] Dave Booz: BINDINGS-10
[12:22] anish: '/' is not allowed in ncname
[12:23] anish: so +1 to the issue
[12:24] henning: alternative solution could be to not use NCName
[12:24] Dave Booz: no objections to opening BINDINGS-10
[12:24] Dave Booz: BINDINGS-11
[12:28] anish so dave, u get two free trips to the end of the scrib list today</B< pre>
[12:29] Dave Booz </B< pre>
[12:30] Dave Booz: some discussion on whether or not this should be multiple issues
[12:30] Dave Booz: no objections to opening BINDINGS-11
[12:31] Dave Booz: topic: Open Issue discussion
[12:31] Dave Booz: BINDINGS-2
[12:31] Dave Booz: proposal from Simon Nash
[12:32] Dave Booz: email thread as spawned into two issues
[12:32] Martin C:
[12:33] Mike Edwards: this too smacks of being an ssembly issue though
[12:33] Mike Edwards: it does not sound like it is specific to a given Binding
[12:35] Dave Booz: BINDINGS-2 issue is "how do we carry callback info in the message for the web service binding"
[12:40] Mike Edwards: Yes, conversational is the problem
[12:41] Mike Edwards: if everything is stateless, there is no issue
[12:41] anish: yes, i forgot to distinguish between conversational and callback
[12:42] Mike Edwards: that was the reason for my pairwise comment
[12:43] Mike Edwards: original issue IS a bindings issue
[12:43] Mike Edwards: the others are assembly
[12:43] Mike Edwards: yes
[12:43] anish: yes, the original issue is specific to binding.ws
[12:44] Mike Edwards: could outlaw conversational callbacks using different bindings.....
[12:44] Mike Edwards: since there is no obvious way of carrying the right info
[12:44] Dave Booz +1 Mike</B< pre>
[12:44] Peter Peshev: +1 for outlawing them
[12:45] Dave Booz: Selection of callback binding is an assembly issue
[12:45] Mike Edwards: yes, agree
[12:46] Dave Booz: we need a new issue for the mixed binding use case - Simon will think about it
[12:46] Dave Booz: BINDINGS-6
[12:46] Martin C:
[12:47] Mike Edwards: we need time to get all these pages visible
[12:48] anish: +1 to adding 'al' to the intent
[12:48] Mike Edwards: right +1
[12:48] Mike Edwards: The formal proposal needs to be written down somewhere
[12:49] Dave Booz: Mike Rowley moves: to change @mayProvides of JMS binding to include conversational intent instead of conversation intent
[12:49] Dave Booz: Anish seconds
[12:50] Dave Booz: Note: issue has been raised in Policy TC to add conversational intent
[12:50] Dave Booz: strike previous note
[12:51] Dave Booz: Note: Issue has been raised in the policy TC to account for intents in interfaces
[12:51] Dave Booz: no objection to opening BINDINGS-6
[12:51] Dave Booz: BINDINGS-5
[12:52] Mike Edwards: where is the proposal?
[12:52] Martin C:
[12:52] Dave Booz: there is no proposal currently, time for discussion
[12:53] Mike Edwards: the JMS guys just liked to make life entertaining for developers
[12:54] Mike Edwards: that says "as long as the intent is satisifed"
[12:55] Mike Edwards: since the intent is a restriction
[12:55] Mike Edwards: what you can't do is NOT honour the intent
[12:57] Mike Edwards: what intent is on the binding (or service/reference)
[12:57] Mike Edwards: ?
[12:59] Dave Booz: time is running out...discussion suspended
[12:59] Dave Booz: topic: AOB
[13:00] Dave Booz: additional attendance captured
[13:00] Dave Booz: meeting closed
[13:00] Mike Edwards: on to the next call....
[13:02] Martin C: Roll:
[13:02] Martin C: Michael Rowley BEA Systems, Inc.
Tom Rutt Fujitsu Limited*
Bryan Aupperle IBM
Michael Beisiegel IBM
David Booz IBM
Mike Edwards IBM
Simon Nash IBM
Piotr Przybylski IBM
Martin Chapman Oracle Corporation
Uday Joshi Oracle Corporation
Khanderao Kand Oracle Corporation
Anish Karmarkar Oracle Corporation
Ashok Malhotra Oracle Corporation
Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle Corporation
Henning Blohm SAP AG*
Sanjay Patil SAP AG*
Peter Peshev SAP AG*
Prasad Yendluri Software AG, Inc.*
Laurent Domenech TIBCO Software Inc.
Nimish Hathalia TIBCO Software Inc.
Eric Johnson TIBCO Software Inc.
[13:02] Martin C: EOM