SÉRGIO MACHADO
You see Romero, so I think it is a very serious situation.
ROMERO JUCÁ
I made it very clear yesterday. What I think is: With Dilma this situation cannot be resolved. This project of naming Lula minister, to be ahead of a Ministry, will end up throwing the economic expectations on the ground. Because if Lula is back, he’ll talk with CUT (the workers union), with the MST (the “No Land Movement”), the only ones listening to him, believing in him, beyond that nobody gives him any credibility. Don’t you agree? Would Lula unite the business sectors?
SÉRGIO MACHADO
He did awaken the PT movements though.
ROMERO JUCÁ
Yes.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
Those guys will resist, and it’ll be troublesome.
ROMERO JUCÁ
I think that……
SÉRGIO MACHADO
There has to be an impeachment.
ROMERO JUCÁ
There has to be an impeachment, there is no way out.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
And who makes it safe, is secure.
ROMERO JUCÁ
It was a great talk, but we’ll have more coming up.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
What is happening is the following; with this business of the Supreme, everybody will denounce.
ROMERO JUCÁ
Exactly, and it’ll hit everyone. Marcelo and Odebrecht (Construction Company hired for public services) will denounce.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
Odebrecht will do it.
ROMERO JUCÁ
Selectively but affirmative.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
Galvāo Quiroz (Construction, Oil and Gas), I don’t know if they’ll denounce or not. Camargo Corrêa (Construction) might or might not. I’m very worried because I think that…Janot (Republic General Attorney), wants to catch you guys. And he thinks I’m the way to do that.
ROMERO JUCÁ
You’ll have to see with your lawyer about how we can help….It’ll have to be political, the lawyer won’t find…(inaudible).
If it’s a politician, how are the politics? This shit has to be resolved.
It’s necessary to remove the government and stop the bloodshed.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
My friend, the easiest solution would be to install Michel (Temer).
ROMERO JUCÁ
It’s only Renan (Calheiros, Speaker of the Senate) who is against this shit. Because he doesn’t like Michel (Temer), because Michel is Eduardo Cunha.Guys, forget Eduardo Cunha, Eduardo Cunha is fucking dead.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
That’s a deal, to install Michel, a great national deal.
ROMERO JUCÁ
With the Supreme, with everybody.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
With everybody, that’ll stop everything.
ROMERO JUCÁ
That’s right. It’d get stuck where it is at now and end of the story.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
Renan (Calheiros) is a complete “drifter”. He hasn’t yet understood, that his way out is Michel (Temer) and Eduardo (Cunha). Once they go after Eduardo, and he holds hatred, the next prime target is he himself. So the longer his lifeline, the longer Eduardo survives, the better for him. He didn’t understand that yet.
ROMERO JUCÁ
It’ll have to be a tank to catch the guy, and we’d have to resolve it, to arrive at the other side of the border.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
The situation is serious. Because, Romero, they want to get all the politicians. It’s that document that was handed over….
ROMERO JUCÁ
To get rid of the whole political cast, to resurrect, to construct a new pure cast, that doesn’t have to do with….
SÉRGIO MACHADO
That’s it, get rid of us all. And PSDB, I don’t know if they’ve understood that so far.
ROMERO JUCÁ
They’ve understood it. All of them.Aloysio (Nunes), Serra (Jose), Aecio (Neves).
SÉRGIO MACHADO
Everybody has gotten the message. Tasso (Jereissati), did he get it ?
ROMERO JUCÁ
Yes he got it. Everybody will be on the tray to get eaten.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
The first to get eaten is Aecio.
ROMERO JUCÁ
Fuck, everybody. And they’ll be getting one by one.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
(Whispering) What we’ve done together, Romero, at that election, to elect the deputies, so he could be elected Speaker of the Lower House. My friend I need your intelligence.
ROMERO JUCÁ
No, look now, I’m at your disposition, you know that. Find out when you want to talk.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
Because if we have no way out, and because we’re running out of time.
ROMERO JUCÁ
No, the timing is an emergency.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
It’s an emergency, so I need to have an emergency talk with you guys.
ROMERO JUCÁ
Go for it. I think we shouldn’t get everyone together to talk, you hear ?
I think you should talk with Sarney, you should talk with Renan. When you’ve spoken with the two of them, collect everything and then the two of us will talk about what you thought and what they’ve thought of as issues…..
SÉRGIO MACHADO
Do you think there can’t be a meeting between the three of us?
ROMERO JUCÁ
No way. This thing about uniting to combine things, is out of the question. The guys already see other stuff, that has nothing to do with it…..
Afterwards we’ll talk the three of us, without your presence.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
I think as follows: If there isn’t a quick solution, we are running great risks.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
As you said, Aecio can’t win shit all.
ROMERO JUCÁ
No forget it. Not one traditional politician can win an election.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
Aecio my friend………Aecio doesn’t stand a chance, we know that.
Who doesn’t ? Who doesn’t know Aecio’sschemes ?
I, who participated in the PSDB election campaign.
ROMERO JUCÁ
Yes, we’ve been through all that.
ROMERO JUCÁ
(In low voice) I’ve talked with some of the Supreme Court’s ministers yesterday. The guys say, it’s only possible without her (Dilma). While she’s there, the media, those guys want her out, if not this shit never ends. Did you get that ? So, I’m talking with the generals, military commanders. It’s all under control. The guys say they guarantee that. They’re monitoring MST (“No Land Movement”), and who knows what, so they can’t disturb.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
I think that Dilma’s departure, or by renouncing or getting a License to leave, I think the Licence is softer. Michel will make a government of national union, make a great agreement, protect Lula, protect everybody. The country would get back to normal, nobody can take it anymore.
This shitty mess from the prosecutors in São Paulo, helped a lot.
ROMERO JUCÁ
The guys did that to prevent him from becoming a minister. Now it becomes obstruction of evidence, they wont let the guy. It was a violent action.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
It’s foolish, there has to be some peace, a….
ROMERO JUCÁ
I think there has to be made a pact.
SÉRGIO MACHADO
A way to find somebody who has connection to Teori (Zavascki, LavaJato/ Car Wash prosecutor at the Supreme Court), but it seems as if nobody has that contact.
ROMERO JUCÁ
Nobody. He is a closed guy (reserved). She put the guy there. The bureaucracy of…the ex-minister of the Supreme Court of Justice (STJ).