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helene moderator: thereshe is
ann moderator workshop: Hi Sonia!
sonia: Am I the only one???...with you????
ann moderator workshop: great you are here!
ann moderator workshop: yes, for now!
helene moderator: no worries, more will come
sonia: ok...
ann moderator workshop: but I hope more people will come and join us!
sonia: so do i....
ann moderator workshop: so Sonia where are you from?
ann moderator workshop: and what do you do on inclusion?
sonia: well...i'm living in south Spain, working in a Gypsy's Association, but i'm from France...and my fathers are from Algeria....
ann moderator workshop: wau, multicultural background!
ann moderator workshop: we are starting here now. Can you see?
sonia: and 'm volunteer in an association who works with youth’ migrants....
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sonia: where???
ann moderator workshop: on the site you should see the images of the room
ann moderator workshop: hi Boris!
ann moderator workshop: Welcome
Boris: Hello
ann moderator workshop: where are you from Boris?
sonia: i only can see 2 guys...
sonia: hi >Boris....
Boris: France
ann moderator workshop: strange! Because the room is packed with people!
sonia: Bonjour Boris...
ann moderator workshop: so you should see more than two...
sonia: now, they're 3...
Boris: I also see only three other people in the room
helene moderator: they will come soon, just some patience
sonia: i'm looking at the Van Wijn working room...is that the good one???
Boris: the room list below the input line show 46 people in the lobby
ann moderator workshop: we are starting the round of introduction
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ann moderator workshop: no we are in Desguin, so please select that room
Pablo: Hello.
ann moderator workshop: hello
sonia: ok, thanks
sonia: hello
ann moderator workshop: with which target group are you working?
ann moderator workshop: and in which actions of the youth program are you working?
ann moderator workshop: these are the questionsasked to the participants
ann moderator workshop: so please tell me more about yourselves!
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Boris: the broadcast is dead, I will try to reload
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sonia: the sound is so bad!!!!!
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ann moderator workshop: sonia are you still here?
Boris: still dead
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ann moderator workshop: people are trying to speak more clearly
ann moderator workshop: so hopefully that will help
sonia: ok, thanks
ann moderator workshop: hi me
Boris: ahh the broadcast works now
Boris: Hello me
me: it's me at the back
ann moderator workshop: ok!
ann moderator workshop: so, sonia and boris what is your experience with inclusion target groups?
Boris: I have no experience with it, but I'm interested in the topic
sonia: in the gypsy's association, we work meanly with excluded youngster
ann moderator workshop: Ok!
ann moderator workshop: so, more questions will come after the getting to know round!
sonia: we've have a project call Youth with answers...trying to pressure local politic to listen to them...
sonia: ok
ann moderator workshop: great! did that happen within the youth program?
sonia: yes
ann moderator workshop: which action?
sonia: the 3
ann moderator workshop: ok
sonia: do you know the Yes Forum???
ann moderator workshop: no, please explain me what it is
sonia: a European forum about youngster with fewer opportunities...
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ann moderator workshop: hi mel!
ann moderator workshop: so sonia you are active in this yes forum?
ann moderator workshop: what are you doing there?
sonia: yes
Mel: ئثس
sonia: young people more than me...
sonia: but the languages difficulties do that i HAVE TO BE THERE...FOR THE MOMENT....
ann moderator workshop: Mel, i can not read your answer...
Mel: yes
ann moderator workshop: OK! we can read you now mel
sonia: sorry, but i have to go...it's time for lunch here...i'll be back in 30 minutes...
ann moderator workshop: we will now move into the practical experiences
ann moderator workshop: bye sonia
sonia: bye....
ann moderator workshop: what obstacles andchallenges did you have in the youth program with your target group?
ann moderator workshop: that is the question of the discussion now!
ann moderator workshop: so please enlighten us
ann moderator workshop: and also the support you got
ann moderator workshop: Boris? Mel? Are you still here?
Boris: yes, I am
ann moderator workshop: Ok, what do you think about these questions?
Boris: the broadcast is very hard to understand
Boris: I don't know if the problem is on my end
me: I'm doing my best ;-)
ann moderator workshop: it is hard to get youngsters involved. Is that the same for you?
Boris: [far from an expert talking here] I think that youngsters generally run their life on a day-to-day basis
Boris: or at least have to deal with very short term issues most of the time
ann moderator workshop: and that makes it hard?
ann moderator workshop: do you get any support?
ann moderator workshop: from your national agency, salto, ...?
Boris: well, thinking mid- to long-term is already hard for people with a well grounded life
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ann moderator workshop: hello!
Boris: hello Siranush
ann moderator workshop: where are you from?
Siranush: Hello Boris
Siranush: I am from Armenia
ann moderator workshop: Ok!
ann moderator workshop: so please tell us about your challenges and support for involving your inclusion target group?
ann moderator workshop: to get the discussion here going...
Siranush: our target group is school students and we are establishing internet computer centres in the schools, while involving youth to use new technologies
ann moderator workshop: please talk to us/me???
Siranush: during their classrooms, as well as conducting online and offline youth related projects
Siranush: such as it is already 5 years our students are being involved in international GYSD project
Siranush: one of the main challenges here in Armenia is make people to work on voluntary basis
Siranush: Am I the only person who talks?:)
ann moderator workshop: yes, you are
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Siranush: great, anybody wants to join me?
helene moderator: that is ok, it is not a disease
ann moderator workshop: Boris and Mel are also here but they are quiet for the minute...
ann moderator workshop: hello adriana!
helene moderator: Ann, what are they talking about in the workshop?
adriana: Hi!
Siranush: do you have the small challenge in your countries? (to involve youth in voluntary works?
Siranush: same I mean
Boris: sorry, ann but as I said, I have really no experience with youth at risk, so I'm mostly listening right now
ann moderator workshop: Boris, thatis fine!
Siranush: where are you from, Boris?
ann moderator workshop: do not feel obliged to talk!
Boris: I am from France
ann moderator workshop: we can be silent an concentrate on the live discussion too
ann moderator workshop: sorry, concentrate
Siranush: unfortunately I can not follow live discussion; I can see only chat space
ann moderator workshop: O, I will try to give some general remarks for reaction to you
Siranush: ok
ann moderator workshop: from the live discussion
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ann moderator workshop: one of the challenges in France is that young people are afraid of mobility
ann moderator workshop: any reactions?
helene moderator: Mobility like moving to work abroad?
ann moderator workshop: yes! to whatever project outside your normal environment
helene moderator: What are the reasons to be frightened?
ann moderator workshop: it seems to be in their minds, they are afraid of the unknown, I suppose
helene moderator: The Youth programme is one of the tools used to make people less afraid of other countries and cultures
ann moderator workshop: indeed!
Boris: true but it's a vicious circle... if you take part in it, you obviously are less afraid than those who don't
ann moderator workshop: people are unable to pay the 30% travel costs. That is an obstacle
ann moderator workshop: getting the visa adds to that
helene moderator: And you guys, how is it in your countries? Would you be afraid of leaving your country?
ann moderator workshop: yes, Boris you are right but how to get out of this circle?
Boris: ...I don't like your question ;-)
ann moderator workshop: to hard???
ann moderator workshop: ;-)
Boris: hehe
ann moderator workshop: some people see the youth/international programs as luxury. Do you agree with this?
Boris: maybe mobility is too ambitious a first step and local projects that lessen the fear and inhibitions of young people would be a better start
Boris: (alcohol would work, but that's kind of expensive :-)
ann moderator workshop: Sounds good to me! What do the others think?
Boris: I agree with the luxury issues
Boris: mobility is always expensive
ann moderator workshop: and that was not an response to the alcohol proposal!
helene moderator: Well, probably, yes: you need time and money, not everything is included, even if the EU gives money for the projects
Boris: ann :-))
ann moderator workshop: but on the other hand the money is there so why not use it anyway?
helene moderator: if you need to work, you can't take days off just like that for a project
ann moderator workshop: should not every young person have the opportunity to go out ans see something of the world?
Boris: ann, it's optimistic, but yes
helene moderator: sure, it's just harder if you are far from information and other communication means
Boris: helene has a point
ann moderator workshop: absolutely!
ann moderator workshop: but if it is not a right but a luxury we will never get the disadvantagedinvolved, will we?
Boris: information on events is even less likely to reach young people at risk
ann moderator workshop: so what can we do?
helene moderator: there is a need for more cross-fertilization between the working world and the youth programme
Boris: that is true
Boris: involving money always works
ann moderator workshop: so the question in the live workshop is now what your Christmas list is regarding inclusion?
Boris: and businesses are much better at marketing (not blaming anyone, it's just a fact)
ann moderator workshop: what would make the obstacles go away?
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Boris: hello Susana
ann moderator workshop: so let's just continue what we were talking about to make it less of luxury and more of a right!
Susana: Hello.
Mel: working at local level?
ann moderator workshop: hello
Boris: more readable in a different colour
ann moderator workshop: can you increase international mobility at local level an dif so how?
Boris: it is hard, actually nigh impossible without international ties
Mel: act locally, think globally
ann moderator workshop: good plan!
Boris: Errr, that’s easier, said than done
ann moderator workshop: so, how to do it practically?
Mel: why not?
Boris: even for the people organising, thinking globally means going for a large long-term plan with cooperation with other local agencies abroad
Mel: exchange experience
Boris: it basically needs some kind of umbrella organisation to centralize the actions
Mel: I used my experience working with street children i Russia back home in Syria
ann moderator workshop: so you need an international network to improve your work nationally/locally?
Boris: ann, if you want to think globally, I think so, yes
Mel: yes
ann moderator workshop: Have we found the magical solution here?
Boris: several already exist, but it's still a meritocracy: to reach the international level you have to get brownie points first at the local level
ann moderator workshop: brownie points????
Boris: sorry, recognition
Boris: credibility
ann moderator workshop: so the youth program is not for local organisations?
Boris: young people at risk are still stuck working at the local level though
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Mel: there is no way; we must work at local level with them
ann moderator workshop: so how can we get them internationally involved?
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Boris: hard, hard
Mel: what we need are specialgovernmental policies to reach such youth at risk group
ann moderator workshop: I don't ask easy questions! ;-)
Boris: Mel is probably right
Susana: That is the real issue, mel
Boris: again, I'll be the capitalistic pig :-)
Boris: youth doesn't make money
ann moderator workshop: go for it!
Mel: don’t say that pls
Boris: get industries and business involved
Boris: Mel, err I don't mean to offend anyone
ann moderator workshop: to do what?
Mel: organizations and government should find links to empower policies
Susana: My organisation has a link with the city hall, which means politics is involved, and it is really hard right now to give access to youth at risk
Susana: To these kinds of European dimension activities
ann moderator workshop: so politics can help but it is not the key element?
ann moderator workshop: what is the key then?
Mel: I think it is the key element because all governmental decisions made by politics
Susana: How to explain to the political power that this is fundamental for youth and consequentely for our development
ann moderator workshop: good question!
Susana: First: it is really hard to communicate with them because of all the hierarchy and burocracy envolved
Boris: apart from getting a "youth party" in the government it's pretty much impossible
ann moderator workshop: but the young people are the electors of tomorrow aren't they?
Boris: haha
helene moderator: and of today actually
Boris: good one :)
Mel: that's why we need to empower youth policies and the role of young leaders and youth orgs in political life
Susana: Second: their main concern, nowadays, is the economic sustainability, which makes them organize priorities and, unfortunately, they don't find these
helene moderator: we are mostly talking about over 18 years old
ann moderator workshop: so maybe politicians are sensible and understand they need ot take care of their future electors?
Susana: young people as a priority!
Mel: off course they are
Mel: imagine without young people how these politicians come to power
Boris: err
Boris: bribes?
Mel: that’s why we need to work on effective youth policies
Susana: in my country they try to convince older people
Susana: like seniors
Susana: with supposedly good pensions and so on...
Susana: and leave the young people at their own
Susana: imagine what happens to young people with less opportunity...
Boris: that's because seniors have money and credibility
Susana: exactly
ann moderator workshop: so how can we make young people more appealing?
Boris: young people are just kids playing in the backyard
Mel: they have no place at all in the society
Boris: we can never get to them with the age thing
ann moderator workshop: they should!
Boris: they'll always be older ;-)
Mel: that's why we need to show the importance of young people
Boris: but we can gain credibility
Susana: the difference is actually about how politicians and governments look at youth
Boris: and I think this is the generation gap, we should speak their languages
Susana: a problem... or a solution?
ann moderator workshop: so our conclusion was to remove the big obstacle of young people not being appealing to politics
Mel: thanks for all, cheers