SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE
OCTOBER 2010
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
19 October 2010
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These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
TUESDAY, 19 OCTOBER 2010
1.0 INTRODUCTION & MEETING OVERVIEW
1.1 Call to Order/Quorum Check
Eric Jacklin, Supplier Support Committee Leadership Team (SSC LT) Chairperson, called the meeting to order and a quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance.
Supplier Support Committee Leadership Team (SSC LT) Members Present
Stephane / Chaumeil / UITS-GallionSuzanna / DeMoss / Advance Chemistry & Technology
Sarah / Fuqua / Kearfott Corporation-MSD
Eric / Jacklin / F.M. Callahan & Son, Inc.
Dave / Jones / Nex-Tech Processing
David / Michaud / Fountain Plating Co.
Yoshiomi / Sukesada / Asahi Kinzoku Kogyo Co. Ltd.
Additional Suppliers Present
Roy / Adkins / Specialty Steel Treating, Inc.Abdul / Admani / Arrow Lear IL
Bob / Akin / Quality Heat Treating
Frank / Anderson / The M &P Lab
Dan / Antos / Canton Drop Forge
Leandro / Aparicio / Advanced Coating Techniques
Tomohiko / Ashikaga / Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Andy / Bakewell / EM Inspection Co
Corwyn / Berger / Exova, Inc.
Mario / Bianchi / Bytest
David / Bowies / Pressure Technology
Griff / Braddock / Braddock Metallurgical
Mike / Brandt / Alcoa
Mark / Brown / Braddock Metallurgical
Peter / Buzby / PST-Compton
Eric / Carlson / Hytek Finishes
Wolfgang / Casta / Shellcast Foundries Inc.
Richard / Chmielewski / Barden Corp.
Yongho / Cho / Avibank Mfg.
Delbert / Clubine / Advanced Heat Treat Corp.
Jerry / Colombo / Precise Machining & Mfg.
Paul / Comer / Graphic Plc
Charles / Costello / Sum-Glo Plating Co.
Deena / Crossmore / IMR Test Labs
Larry / Culbertson / JMI
Jim / Cummings / Metal Finishing Company Diversified Services Inc.
Robert / Custer / AAA Plating & Inspection
Warren / De Cuir / Lisi Aerospace
Rachel / DeSimone / American Tinning & Galvanizing Co.
Rich / Drinker / SPS Technologies
Craig / Dugan / Burnham Composite Structures
Thomas / Dulude / PTI Industries Inc.
Roger / Dunn / Bodycote
Walter / Echols / Aero Metal Finishing
John / Edwards / Edwards Services
Bryan / Engel / ESCO TT Syracuse
David / Eshleman / The Young Engineers
Dawn / Fechtel / Metaltest, Inc.
William / Ferris / Tech Metals Inc
Bob / Ferry / FPM Heat Treating
Kay / Fisher / Bohler Edelstahl GMBH & Co KG
Gary / Fox / Anodyne Inc
Gary / Fox / Anodyne
Debbie / Frick / Sherry Laboratories
Steve / Ganske / Precise Machining
Steve / Ganske / Precise Machining
Michael / Gaspers / FPM Heat Treating
Ronald / Geer / SPS Technologies
George / Gieger / Braddock Metallurgical
Hemendra / Gohil / CJZ Inc.
Stephan / Greimers / Thyssen Krupp VDM
Gerard / Hab / G. Cotter Enterprises, Inc.
Dale / Harmon / Cincinnati Thermal Spray
Jonathan / Hebben / Ducommun Aero Structure
Bill / Heeter / Skills Inc.
Randy / Hite / RCC Structurals Inc.
Steve / Hutchinson / Braddock Metallurgical
William / Irwin / Praxair Surface Tech
Jennifer / James / Precision Tube Co.
James / Jenson / Moeller Mrg. Co.
Stephen / Johnson / GSC
Corey / Judd / MTI
Kurt / Jungheim / Modern Drop Forge
Linda / Kenny / Scientific Control laboratories, Inc.
Chris / Kielb / Advanced Welding
Dave / Kimber / ATK
Terry / Labounty / Applied Engr.
Bob / Lehnen / Bodycote Thermal Processing
Johanna / Lisa / Continental Heat Treating
Quality Heat Treating
Valley Metal Treating
John / Lopez / EME Inc.
Don / Lowman / Continental Heat Treating
Julie / Mahan / Unison Engine Components Terre Haute
Patrick / Maksrpx / Praxair Surface Tech
Jim / Maloney / The Timken Co.
Rosa / Martin / Superior Plating
Giuseppe / Marzano / Haley Industries Inc.
Ishwar / Mathur / IEC-Electronics
Ishwar / Mathur / IEC-Electronics
Samson Demissie / Mekuria / PFW Aerospace AG
Melinda / Mitton / Advanced Welding
Simone / Murphy-Fickenworth / Chrome Plus International
Katsumi / Nagasaki / Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Chris / Napoli / ATI Allegheny Ludlum
Jesse / Norris / Stack Metallurgical
Art / Onaitis / Precision Tube Co.
Jacob / Padrul / Alcan
Rozalia / Papp / Air Liquid US LP
Tim / Paradis / Metallurgical Processing
John / Passmore / St. Louis Metallizing
Greg / Penny / Embee Inc.
Frank / Peszka / Laboratory Testing Inc.
Ken / Pham / Lisi Aerospace
Larry / Phipps / AFS
Bruce / Pleake / Hytek Finishes
Scott / Potts / WETSU Group, Inc.
Deb / Prabir / Peco Aerospace Co.
Robert / Pruitt / Dynamics Paint Solutions
Michael / Quann / Pacific Metallurgical Inc.
William / Rae / CAV Aerospace LTD
Sandeep / Rana / GF Aqiecharmilles
James / Rauckhorst / Tensile Testing Metallurgical Laboratory
James / Rauckhorst / Tensile Testing Metallurgical Laboratory
Martin / Reicher / Bohler Forging
Barry / Reid / Shur-Lok Co.
Catherine / Renfer / ESCO Turbine Tech Syracuse
Jim / Ringer / Tech Met Inc.
Dale / Roberts / Praxair Surface Tech
Glen / Rudd / Braddock Metallurgical
Chris / Ruppel / Special Metals
Mike / Schleckman / Voss Industries
Carol / Schmidt / Ladish Forging
Rick / Scott / RTI
Dave / Serbousek / Olympic Scientific
Toshiyuki / Serizawa / IHI Corp.
Ray / Serrato / Valley Metal Treating
Steve / Shea / Scarrott Metallurgical Co.
Stu / Sherman / Metallurgical Processing Inc.
Tetyana / Shmyreva / Praxair Surface Tech
John / Shue / Modern Drop Forge Co.
Stephen / Simacek / Hytek Finishes
Deepak / Singhal / Industrial Tectonics Bearings
Greg / Smotherman Jr. / Ozark Mountain Technologies
Greg / Smotherman Sr. / Ozark Mountain Technologies
Michael / Snyder / Special Metals
Mike / Sparrow / Lite Metals Co.
Manfred / Stapgens / Sulzer Metco Inc.
Robert / Steffner / Graco Supply & Integrated Services
Jon / Steltenpohl / Paulo Products
Ron / Stewart / Ellison Surface Technologies
Dawn / Stokes / PTI Industries Inc.
Gigi / Streeter / Barnes Aerospace
Bill / Strong / Epner Technology
Gary / Thomas / Alexco
John / Thomas / Timet
Gary / Thompson / Darchem Engineering LTD
Robert / Thompson / Steel Treaters
Mark / Tierney / Laboratory Testing, Inc.
Rao / Tipirneni / Long Island Testing Labs
Jennifer / Tret / Sherry Laboratories
Deborah / True / Praxair Surface Tech
Junji / Tsuji / IHI Co.
Jim / Tuminello / Tech Met Inc.
Natia / Turmanidze / Lisi Aerospace
Paul / Vegiard / CCPI
Tim / Voeller / Logic PD
Jerry / Wahlin / AAA Plating & Inspection Inc.
Richard / Walker / Pressure Technology of Ohio
Larry / Walker / Machine Specialties
Edward / Warter / Carmel Forge Ltd.
David / Watters / Special Metals
Wilfried / Weber / PFW Aerospace AG
Ilene / Weisberg / Allen Aircraft Products
Keith / Whiddon / Canton Drop Forge
Terrance / White / Special Metals Corp
Bryon / White / Stork MMA
Gary / White / Orbit Ind.
Chris / Wiebe / Project Manufacturing
Michael / Wolf / Finishing Professional
Jason / Wright / Metals Technology Inc.
Brian / Yazumbek / Modern Drop Forge Co.
Joelie / Zak / Scientific Control Laboratories, Inc.
Subscriber Members Present
Doug / Billings / Parker HannifinJacob / Milo / Israel Aerospace Industries
Mark / Nigels / Parker Hannifin
Uri / Sol / Israel Aerospace Industries
Gary / Wallace / Parker Aerospace
Performance Review Institute (PRI) Staff Present
Jim / Borczyk / PRIPhylis / Logan / PRI
Joe / Pinto / PRI
Brett / Pollock / PRI
Lisa / Shultz / PRI
1.2 Antitrust and Nadcap Personal Code of Ethics & Conflict of Interest
Eric Jacklin reviewed the Antitrust and Nadcap Personal Code of Ethics & Conflict of Interest statements in the Attendees Guide.
1.3 Introductions of Supplier Support Committee Leadership Team & Supplier Support Committee Task Group Representatives
Supplier Support Committee Leadership Team members and Task Group Representatives were introduced. Joe Pinto (PRI) was introduced and welcomed the participants to the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) meeting.
1.4 Introductions of First Time Nadcap Meeting Participants
First time meeting attendees were recognized.
1.5 Routing of Attendance List
The sign-in sheets were routed.
1.4 Approval of Minutes from Previous Meeting
The SSC minutes from the June 22, 2010 meeting in Singapore were approved as written. In addition, the SSC minutes from the February 23, 2010 meeting in Rome, Italy were approved as written.
2.0 SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE MEETING PURPOSE & RULES
Stephane Chaumeil reviewed the purpose of the SSC meeting and the governing rules of conduct.
3.0 BREAK-OUT TOPICS
Eric Jacklin introduced the following four (4) break-out topics: Flow Down, Redundant Audits, Survey 2011-What questions do you want included & What should the SSC work on. He then instructed each participant to choose a topic (of which interested them) and to join the discussion in the applicable room.
Each group had 20 minutes to discuss their specific topic. They then reconvened and each group gave a report out (as per below).
3.1 Topic: Flow Down (Facilitators: Dave Michaud/Yoshiomi Sukesada; Note-Taker: William Rae)
William Rae gave a verbal report out on the following areas that were discussed:
· Suppliers are asked to supply processors, but do not have access to the prime portals specifications. The purchase system relies on the prime specification portal which should be flowed down to the supplier. This is difficult to do if you can’t access the prime portal.
· Suppliers are responsible for all revisions of specifications and must keep them up to date which includes revision control. If there is a doubt about the revision, then the suppliers must ask the Prime. The primes must give access to the person or company who needs the relevant specification.
· Heat Treatment suppliers: They know who to ask, as far as their primes are concerned but, when they ask their direct customers who are Tier 1 or Tier 2 or Tier 3 suppliers and not conversant with technical queries or who to contact reference their customers, they don’t always know who to ask, so some training to suppliers to inform them how and who to ask for the information would be good. We need to get the Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 suppliers to work together.
· Primes mandate that we must receive purchase order with the revision number. Normally it is generic. Some suppliers think this purchase order should quote revision number.
3.2 Topic: Redundant Audits (Facilitator: Jim Ringer; Note-Taker: Michael Brandt)
Jim Ringer reported the group discussed the definition of redundant audits, how many suppliers felt they had a redundant audit, which primes were conducting the audits & what recourse was available. See attached presentation for additional details.
3.3 Topic: Survey 2011-What questions do you want included? (Facilitator: Dave Jones; Note-Taker: Suzanna DeMoss)
Suzanna DeMoss gave a verbal report out on the following areas that were discussed:
· Demographics: People discussed the value of being able to analyze responses based on factors such as: When was your last audit?, Are you on merit?, What is your commodity?, What is your sector?, Do you attend the Nadcap meetings?, How many years in Nadcap?
It is expected that the pattern of responses would vary based on the group. This could help us with education or training efforts as well as identify potential problem areas.
· Style of questions: Some people felt that the questions were not designed to get at the "meat" of the problems because of their formal style -- they weren't written in the way that people talk or that would make them talk.
· Actual questions: Some people suggested open-ended questions, like "What things were frustrating about your last audit?"; others wanted simple but frank questions like the following such as: "Do you feel that the checklists are asking questions that are not in specifications or Prime-driven?", "Do you feel audit findings are being written more for the Staff Engineer than the supplier?", "Do you feel that there is abuse by a Prime, Staff Engineer, or TG Chair?", "Do you feel that someone is pushing their own (or their company's) agenda at the expense of the group?"
3.4 Topic: What should the SSC work on? (Facilitator: Sarah Fuqua; Note-Taker: Stephane Chaumeil)
Stephane Chaumeil gave a verbal report out on the following areas that were discussed:
· Improve SSC communication and visibility: people want to know what the SSC is doing.
· Standardization seems to cause problems to suppliers that are involved in different commodities (i.e. NonDestructive Testing, Chemical Processing). It seems that rules are not the same (i.e. some handbooks are private, while others are public).
· Document control on PRI. (i.e. Suppliers are not sure if they have the latest information and they would appreciate flow down on new documents).
· Clarification of Nadcap Operating Procedures (NOP)/Nadcap Internal Procedures (NIP). Some people find the Nadcap procedures hard to understand and where they are located.
· Satellite audits are still a problem, even if it's not for a big group; it seems that the problem is vivid. Rules are stringent and prevent development of some suppliers.
· Auditors are a problem. Training in software, auditing skills is not verified/evaluated, evaluation just before the closing is ineffective. Unable to participate to auditor training and having access to the same information the auditors have.
· Supplier representative on the Board.
· Teleconference is requested for Nadcap meetings; even if payment is needed (i.e. concern with expenses of flying abroad).
· Voting rules during Nadcap meetings are not clear. An accredited supplier should have an automatic voting clearance.
· Paper certificates with expiration dates are requested. Some primes and/or sub tiers do not want/don't have access to eAuditNet to verify the certificate.