CREDIBILITY & INDEPENDENCE.

First of all, thank you for inviting me and give me the privilege to talk about my favorite

subject: Governance.When I issued my report in November 2001, two weeks before we

learned about the Enron scandal, I never thought that the subject would become such a hot

topic.

At a recent conference on corporate governance in New York, organised by the Conference

Board, a consistant message was that investors are not coming back into the stock market

until they see concrete evidence that Corporate America isn`t running a cynical scheme to

defraud the ordinary shareholder.

We may agree or disagree with that statement, it may apply in your country or you may think

that this is a problem in the United States and it really will not happen the same way in your

country. You may be right. But, can you take the risk that you are wrong and let your

financial markets and your shareholders stay away from your corporations? Can you afford

to be silent and not react? I don`t think so. Not today!

More so,, shareholders in the United States and Canada express very clearly at their

annual meetings that they are not satisfied with the behavior of the boards that are appointed

to represent them. . In a recent survey, the Inverstor Responsability

Research Center, based in Washington, found that in 2002, as a

whole, 802 shareholders proposals were presented at annual meetings. In the first two

months of 2003, 800, and, 653 of these were on governance. Shareholders don`t trust the

boards in their oversight of management and don`t trust the new laws and regulations to

protect them ( Don`t forget that this is after Sarbanes Oxley was in

force!)

What can we do to restore the faith of investors? More aggressive prosecution of

wrongdoers? More changes in corporate governance practices? Increased focus on

personnaland corporate ethics ? Increased pressure on boards and auditors to be

independant?Higher quality of audit committeees?Public interest criteria imposed on other

participants (lawyers, analysts )?

I just want to stress that, although the conference is about the auditing profession, other

participants are also as much involved in restoring the credibility of the financial reporting and

the trust of the financial markets : management, boards, analysts, regulators, the media,,,,

That is not to say that we should not react strongly and constructively but to underline the

fact that auditors are one part of the model and that we expect others to take their

responsabilities and react accordingly.

Now,coming back to our profession!. It is very clear that we were on the front line of the

attack. Why is that? Clearly because we were the most vulnerable: our profession had

already begun to lose its credibility long before Enron..Our lack of independence of

perceived lack of independence was a heated discussion issue in the boardrooms in North

America. How could that happens? We had rules to regulate our independence and I

am sure that every auditor thought that he or she was acting with ethics

It is clear that both shareholders and boards were very much convinced that auditors were

working for management whatever the engagement process was and in doing so , not

fulfilling their most important role : overseeing management on behalf of the shareholders.

This is the first and foremost perception or.... fact that needs to be changed.

Auditors are partners of boardmembers to oversee management and to be accountable

to shareholders on the credibility of the financial information given to them.

How do we do that?

First of all, we will need to educate our boards. In North America, we now require that audit

committee members be financially literate. This has to be a given and I would submit to you

that all boardmembers should be financially literate if we want to assume our accountability to

shareholders. But I am going further than that.Boardmembers need to understand and

appeciate the added value that auditors are bringing to the table. Paul Volcker said that

`` auditors are trustee of trust and tranparency in the marketplace`` We are bringing an

independent perspective on management decision.This is why it is crucial to restore the

trust relationship between the auditors and the board.

The first step is the rebuild the relationship between the audit committee and the auditors.

1)Every year or even every quarter, auditors are signing a letter to certify their independence:

according to the rules, this client does not represent more than so many % of their total reve

nues, that they don`t perform other work than audit or audit related work. So what!

If a client , even if the fees are below the threshold required to be independant is respected,

is very important for the auditor` s status within the firm not only on a global basis but

also within his or her own community , the perception is that this auditor will lean towards

management view to keep the engagament.

2)I have seen a situation lately, where the auditors caved in to management`s pressure to

adopt one specific accounting treatment. Because of the increased scrutiny of the SEC ,

eighteen months after they changed their mind and ask for a restatement.It is clear that, in the

audit committee`smind, they perceived management as their client and at the end , did not

care about the fair and complete disclosure to the shareholders. Now the new client is

the SEC.

3)The audit committtee or the board are not expert in accounting and auditing and will never

be. What we are bringing to the table is our business judgement. What we need from the

auditors is an indendent assesment of the choice of accounting principles as well as the

assumptions underlying the application of these accounting principles. When ask, the auditors

answer is generally ``it is reasonnable``. Reasonnable might mean different things to

different people. Are we more conservative ? Are we more aggressive? Is it a fair

representation of the business transaction? We need to have an open discussion with

auditors,probably without management being present, so that we have the real insependent

assesment , to be able, in turn, to reassure our shareholders that the financial information

they receive is a fair, complete representation of the financial representation of the financial

situation of the corporation.

4)As well, there are issues about auditing per se. We are all working with the assumption

that, as the EU Commission said last week`` one brand name also implies an equally high

level of audit quality throughout the world`` In fact, country partnerships and, I would add,

some lead

partner ( the Enron case) enjoys strong autonomy and the quality of audit may be different

from one audit to the other. I don`t remember audit firms being very transparant about that,

and, speaking for myself, I was completely taken aback when I learned that the lead partner,

in the Enron audit, refused to follow the advice of their technical expert. Even as one member

of the profession, I could not imagine that could happen!And we, as professionals experts,

we expect the business world to trust our work, to find credible our opinion on the financials

statements.

It is very clear that the relationship between audit committees and auditors must change right

now. As it is now required in the US, the engagement of auditots should not be done by

management but by the audit committee on behalf of the shareholders. It is the firts step.,

to restore the independence or the perception on independence of auditors and thus our

credibility.

An issue that I would like to raise without necessarely having an answer to it, is the non audit

work done by smaller firm for smaller clients. Most of my business life, I was CEO and

shareholder of a medium size company and our auditors were doing much more than the

audit. In fact auditing per se was a very small part of our partnership. They were my adviser

in acquisitions, negociations with the government, internal controls etc.... Big companies do

have the resources to get, internally, competent people to help the corporation to grow, be

competitive and accountable to their shareholders. That does not always apply to smaller

corporations .We should not forget that governance is not an end in itself bur a way to add

value to the corporation and its shareholders. On one hand, we have to be accountable to

the shareholders and insure that our reporting is fair and complete. On the other hand,

is it good business to deprive management of these smaller

corporations of the advice of

competent consultants who know the business better than any other consultants, even if

the perception is that they will lack independence?I would submit to you, given my

experience as a CEO of a small companiy, that our regulators will have to think

carefully before imposing the same requirements to these companies, if they want to help

fortering entrepreuship in their countries.

The last element that I would like to discuss before concluding is the role of management.

In my country, management is responsible for the financial statements. The auditors will

audit them, the audit committee will review them, but the the first line responsability will

always rest with management. A great number of these preparers are members of our

profession. What about their credibility and their integrity? Can they perform their work

with an independent mind? Quite often, they are working under a lot of pressure, pressure

from the CEO to use the accounting pronciples or assumptions that will produce the

best results, pressure from the market to achieve their targets, pressure from their own

renumeration system. They are at the very beginning of the chain. They need to act with as

much ethics and integrity than any other player if we want our financial reporting to be

credible. Can they be really independent as we define independent with rules and regulations?

Given my comments up to now, it is easy to predict waht are is my conclusion.

1) First of all, shareholders don`t think that more rules will protect them better.

2) Independence is not about rules. We can have as many rules as we want, if auditors

are not prepare to act as partners of the governing body to oversee management, are not

prepare to challenge management, are not prepare to discuss openly with the governing

body about accouting and auditing but also about their concerns, the risks involved in

the business, the audit committtee will never be confident in their assessment of

management`s decision.

The fisrt step to rebuild credibility has to be in the boardroom. We can add more rules.

Independence is a state of mind and will never be regulated..