NONCONVENTIONAL MACHINING &
SURFACE ENHANCEMENT
FEBRUARY 2012
CONFIRMED MINUTES
CONFIRMED MINUTES
FEBRUARY 21 – 23, 2012
HILTON SAN DIEGO HOTEL & MARINA
SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 21 – THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2012
OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED
1.0 CALL TO ORDER / QUORUM CHECK
The Nonconventional Machining & Surface Enhancement (NMSE) Task Group was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 21-Feb-12.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
User Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY* / Angelie / Vincent / Spirit AeroSystems / Chairperson
* / Alex / Pohoata / Honeywell / Vice-Chairman
* / Dave / McCallister / UTC- Pratt & Whitney / Secretary
* / Silvia / Baeza / Triumph Group Inc
* / Marc / Belanger / Bombardier Inc.
Mark / Covert / Honeywell
* / Mark / Gleason / GE Aviation
* / Aaron / Havlovic / Cessna Aircraft
Parmjit / Khera / GE Aviation
* / Serge / Labbe / Heroux Devtek
Simon / Long / Airbus Operations Limited
Dan / Loveless / Parker Aerospace
Scott / Maitland / Goodrich
* / Gudrun / Muehlbauer / MTU Aero Engines
* / K.T. / Quader / The Boeing Company
* / Greg / Syvertson / Bell Helicopter
Kenneth / Sposato / Triumph Group
Mike / Steele / The Boeing Company
* / Paul / Woolley / Rolls Royce PLC
* / Grzegorz / Wryk / Aero Engine Controls
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEJeffrey / Almeyda / Aerotech Processing Solutions
Said / Amegroud / Tecnickrome Aero
Tomohiko / Ashikaga / Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
Steven / Clinton / Exotic Metal Forming Co
Mike / Heninger / GKN Aerospace
John / Hill / PTI Industries
* / Dawn / Stokes / PTI Industries
* / Mike / Nosek / Micro-Tronics
PRI Staff Present
Richard / Sovich1.1 Review of Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest
A review of Antitrust, Personal Code of Ethics, Conflict of interest and NMSETG Operating Rules were reviewed by Angelie Vincent
1.2 NMSE Vision Statement was reviewed by Angelie Vincent
2.0 Call for New Prime Members
There were no new members eligible for membership. Simon Long from Airbus and Mike Steele from the Boeing Company were in attendance for the first time. The voting membership status for Dan Loveless of Parker was checked and he was not listed as attending for the last six years. The Task Group will vote on his membership at the next attended meeting unless evidence of attendance is found.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich will review previous attendance rosters to check if Dan Loveless of Parker Aerospace has attended two meetings and if he is eligible to become a voting member. (DUE DATE: 1-Jun-2012)
3.0 NMSE METRICS - CLOSED
· 2011 Task Group performance vs goals – 2011 performance remained steady exceeding most goals.
· Total Staff Engineer Cycle Time continues to be steady at a 13 day initial and 10 day Reaccreditation average over the quarter.
· Task Group Cycle Time. Task Group time continues to be steady at an average of 9 days
· Rick noted the excellent participation of primes votes on audits throughout 2011
· Percent of Eligible Processors with Merit is excellent at a 97% average.
· Rick suggested we may need to revisit the failure criteria within the next year, as the new checklist revisions go into effect.
· A total of 15 Primes participated in balloting audits
· Rick presented a new metric which tracks 2012 ITAR Auditors vs ITAR Audits. Although the NM demand is greater than auditor capacity, the benefits of cross-training allows for excess SE auditor capacity to cover the gap in NM.
· Auditor Performance, Cross Training, and Unrestricted status was reviewed in depth.
· Delegation Report – Rick Sovich reported on all Delegated Reviewers.
4.0 NMSE RAIL REVIEW – CLOSED
· Rick reviewed the completed action items from the October 2011 RAIL. One item merited further discussion:
· Audit 137785. During an Oversight Audit, it was noted that the Auditor had a scheduled flight at 10:30 a.m. of Day 2, for a 2-day audit. TG members raised questions on the perceptions of this circumstance.
Task Group discussed the amount of time an auditor is expected to be at the supplier. An auditor is being paid for 2 days, for a 2-day audit. Within this time, the audit needs to be performed and completed. Rick discussed the Nadcap policy with the auditor, but did not document the discussion
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich will do a RCCA on the Oversight Issue for audit 137785 and report back to TG at June meeting. (DUE DATE: 1-Jun-2012)
ACTION ITEM: Silvia Baeza will review the Spanish translation of the SE Handbook before the June 2012 Nadcap meeting. (DUE DATE: 1-Jun-2012)
5.0 Prime OVERSIGHT AUDIT Review – CLOSED
· One oversight audit was reviewed
· 136918, Ken Mason (NM auditor) / Marc Belanger (Bombardier).
Marc Belanger suggested that the auditor give some guidelines to the supplier before and during the opening session of the audit. This includes telling the supplier to let the operator answer the question, rather than management.
Angelie Vincent reminded the Task Group, that Auditor “best practices” are covered during Auditor Training every year in Pittsburgh.
Rick Sovich presented a spreadsheet with the history of oversight audits. Most of the oversights were performed on SE audits. Approximately half of the auditors have never had an oversight audit. The Task Group was asked to use this information to provide more uniform surveillance coverage.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich will send out the Auditor Oversight History presentation to all Task Group Members. (DUE DATE: 1-Apr-2012)
5.0 REVIEW OF SUPPLIER AUDIT COMMENTS – CLOSED
Rick Sovich reviewed the supplier audit comments, by auditor. Most comments were positive, even with the newly hired auditors.
6.0 2012 AUDITOR TRAINING – CLOSED
· Feedback from 2011 Auditor Training - Rick reviewed the results of the surveys given to auditors at the October 2011 Pittsburgh meeting. Generally very positive comments. Overall 3.5 on a scale of 1-4. Prime Presentations were very well received. Rick also presented the results of the NMSE-specific survey that he gave to the auditors.
· Based on the positive feedback from the 2011 training, Rick solicited Prime presenters for the October 2012 Auditor Training Session. 5 Primes volunteered: Boeing, Cessna, Honeywell, GE, and Parker.
7.0 NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED
NOP-008 New Revision – Rick Sovich presented changes to the criteria for obtaining 18 month Merit.
8.0 CALL TO ORDER / QUOROM CHECK / OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN
Angelie Vincent called the meeting to order at 1:00 p.m.
8.1 Review of Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest
A review of Antitrust, Personal Code of Ethics, Conflict of interest and NMSETG Operating Rules were reviewed by Angelie Vincent
8.2 NMSE Vision Statement was reviewed by Angelie Vincent
8.3 Call for New Members
· Ken Sposato of Triumph Aerostructures requested membership as an Alternate Voting Member. The Task Group verified previous attendance and unanimously approved him as a new member.
· Mike Nosek of Micro-tonics requested membership as a Supplier Voting Member. The Task Group verified previous attendance and unanimously approved him as a new member.
9.0 THERMAL BARRIER DRILLING (TBD)- OPEN
A brief discussion ensued about the merits of adding specific questions to the Checklist and/or the Auditor Handbook. There was enough interested by the Task Group to form a sub team.
ACTION ITEM: TBD sub team lead by Alex Pohoata with Mark Gleason, Paul Woolley and Mike Nosek will develop additional questions for AC7116/4. (DUE DATE: 1-Jun-2012)
10.0 LASER MARKING SUB-TEAM - OPEN
No progress has been made, since the October 2011 meeting. A brief discussion ensued, relative to the potential damage caused by laser marking. There was enough interested by the Task Group to form a sub team.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich to add Laser Marking to the June meeting. Interested parties should determine if their company has any special requirements for laser marking and/or if it is controlled by AS478. A sub team lead by Alex Pohoata with Mark Gleason, Paul Woolley and Mike Nosek will determine next steps and report out at the June meeting. (DUE DATE: 1-Jun-2012)
11.0 NM SIGNIFICANT PARAMETER MATRIX – OPEN
Few Primes have given additional input to the matrix, since the October 2011 meeting. The matrix has been evolving since 2010.
Rick Sovich wrote a one-page document “Guideline for NM Matrix”. The Task Group unanimously approved it without modification. This Guideline will be placed immediately prior to the NM Matrix in the Auditor Handbook.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich will publish the new revision of the NM Handbook, including the NM Matrix and Matrix Guidelines. (DUE DATE: 16-Mar-2012)
12.0 NM HANDBOOK REVISION – OPEN
The new Handbook was reviewed and revised as needed.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich will send a copy of the revised Handbook to all the Primes, to ensure their specification references are still accurate. (DUE DATE: 16-Mar-2012)
13.0 SSC PRESENTATION – OPEN
Rick gave this presentation on behalf of Dave Jones. Three suppliers were in attendance and were encouraged to attend the Supplier Support Committee meeting.
14.0 APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 2011 MEETING MINUTES – OPEN
Minutes were reviewed and unanimously approved.
15.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
15.1 NTGOP Appendix 13 “Additional Requirements for the Nonconventional Machining and Surface Enhancement Task Group” was reviewed and revised as required.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich will revise NTGOP Appendix 13. (DUE DATE: 30-Mar-2012)
15.2 New Format of Nadcap Agendas. Rick Sovich showed the TG the new format of TG agendas across Nadcap. It incorporates a Start Time for each segment, rather than a total time. It also adds the Presenter Name. The TG questioned the need for the change. The primary downside is the proposed agenda seemed complicated and would no longer be on one page.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich will report comments back to the “New Agenda” Team. (DUE DATE: 16-Mar-2012)
15.3 Laser Beam of Composites was raised and questioned whether some of our Checklist questions should be covered on the Composites Checklist?
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich and Angelie Vincent will discuss LB of Composites with the Composites Task Group and plan accordingly. (DUE DATE: 30-Mar-2012)
16.0 JUNE 2012 AGENDA PLANNING – OPEN
The June 2012 Draft Agenda was presented by Rick Sovich and revised until agreement of Task Group members was achieved.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich will invite Dr. Kirk to present a technical topic on Shot Peening at the June 2012 meeting in Berlin. (DUE DATE: 30-Mar-2012)
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich will schedule all NMSE conference calls with Task Group. (DUE DATE: 30-Mar-2012)
17.0 SUPPLIER / PRIME ROUNDTABLE – OPEN
Several current topics were reviewed concerning questions specific to Prime Specifications
18.0 SMART CHECKLIST UPDATE – OPEN
Jon Steffey gave an update on the progress of the Smart Checklist incorporation. Their sub team is working with the Welding, Chem Processing, and Heat Treat Task Groups to define the key parameters of how Smart Checklist will function.
19.0 SUPPLIER WORKSHOP - PEENING – OPEN
19.1 Rick Sovich reviewed revision S of AMS2430, which is currently in ballot. This is a major change from Rev Q. There was a revision R but it was never issued. Consequently, it is important for users to compare Rev S versus Rev Q, to comply with the changes.
19.2 Rick Sovich reviewed upcoming revision of J2277 “Shot Peening Coverage Determination”.
19.3 Rick Sovich reviewed the J442 draft, dated 2012-02.
19.4 Rick Sovich reviewed the J443 draft dated 2012-02.
19.5 Rick Sovich reviewed the new specification B11AA “Ultrasonically activated needle peen forming”, revision dated 2012-02.
20.0 SSC ACTIVITY REPORT OUT – OPEN
· Dale Harmon of Cincinnati Thermal Spray gave this report out on the SSC activity.
· Supplier Survey – 81% of suppliers reported an increase in quality as a result of Nadcap participation
· Contract Flowdown continues to be a hot topic when suppliers talk in between meetings; but the Survey did not bear this out.
· Relative to Flowdown, some Task Groups have developed a template for required Flowdown information.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich to add to June meeting agenda: “Discuss Best Practices for Required Flowdown Information” (DUE DATE: 1-Jun-2012)
20.0 PLANNING AND OPS REPORT OUT – OPEN
Angelie Vincent reported a summary of the topics presented at the Planning and Ops meeting.
21.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
Alex Pohoata asked if there would be any interest in expanding the scope of SE to include grit blasting.
ACTION ITEM: Rick Sovich, Scott Maitland and Dan Loveless will discuss this topic with Chem Processing and Coatings Task groups and work towards a possible Memorandum of Understanding with each Task Group. (DUE DATE: 1-Jun-2012)
22.0 AC7117 BALLOT RESOLUTION – OPEN
Ballots for the revised AC7117 series were reviewed. All current ballot comments were reviewed and resolved. Rick Sovich will respond to the comments on-line and initiate a separate conference call with the Task Group to resolve as necessary. The ballots will still be open for approximately another 30 days.
ADJOURNMENT – FEBRUARY 23, 2012 – Meeting was adjourned at 3:00 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: David McCallister from Pratt & Whitney,
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