COMPOSITES/NON METALLIC MATERIALS MANUFACTURING/TESTING
JUNE 2016
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
JUNE 20, 2016
LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, JUNE 20, 2016
1.0 OPENING COMMENTS
1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Composites (COMP), Non Metallic Materials Manufacturing (NMMM), and Non Metallic Materials Testing (NMMT) Task Groups (TG) were called to order at 9:00 a.m., 20-Jun-2016.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.
A quorum was established with 19 Subscribing voting members present
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEMichael / Adams / Lockheed Martin
* / Randy / Armstrong / Raytheon Company
* / Christine / Brassine / SAFRAN
* / Tara / Campbell / Rolls-Royce plc / Vice Chairperson
* / Ping / Chen / COMAC
* / James / Cobb / Honeywell
Christopher / Cowap / Triumph Group Inc.
* / Kevin / Dowling / Spirit AeroSystems
* / Patrick / Dunleavy / SAFRAN
* / Javier / Garcia-Baeza / AIRBUS
Alex / Haesch / The Boeing Company
* / Brett / Hemingway / BAE SYSTEMS-MAI (UK)
John / Hrycushko / Bell Helicopter
Jay / Irsik / Spirit AeroSystems Inc.
* / John / Key / Bell Helicopter
Uwe / Kleinert / Airbus Helicopters Deutschland GmbH
Takyua / Konno / MHI
Karolina / Kucharek / Rolls-Royce
* / Eric / Le Fort / Sonaca
* / Lance / Loeks / The Boeing Company
* / Andreas / Mastorakis / GE Aviation
Doug / Matson / Boeing
Pauline / McRae / UTC Aerospace Systems
* / Angelina / Mendoza / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
Antonietta / Mormone / Finmeccanica Aeronautic Sector
* / Keith / Panuska / Lockheed Martin Corporation / Chairperson
* / Richard / Perrett / GKN Aerospace
Patrick / Phelan / UTC Aerospace (Goodrich)
* / Fabrizio / Quadrini / Finmeccanica - Helicopter Division
* / Minh / Quan / Triumph Group
Hayley / Roberts / GE Aviation, Kings Avenue
María / Sánchez-Arjona / Airbus DS
Kodai / Shimono / Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd.
* / Sally / Spindor / Triumph Group
Ranganathan / Srinivasan / ST Aerospace Ltd.
* / Anne / Stanley / Bombardier
* / Konstantina / Stefanidou / Honeywell Aerospace
Charlie / Taylor / Honeywell
James / Trevarthen / Honeywell Aerospace
Michael / Walsh / SAFRAN Aircelle
Ian / Winstanley / GE Aviation
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEFernando / Alarcon de la Lastra / Canagrosa
Marie / Alza / Toray Carbone Fibers Europe
Sheldon / Atherton / Velocity Composites Limited
Grace / Atkinson / Meggitt Polymers & Composites
Peter / Atwell / Velocity Composites
John / Augsback / Meggitt Polymers & Composites
* / Natalia / Becerra / Exova
Arnaud / Bonnet / Cetim
* / Kevin / Brennan / Swift Engineering Inc.
Jon / Bridges / Velocity Composites Limited
Richard / Brown / Senior Aerospace BWT
Xavier / Carteron / Toray Carbon Fibers Europe
Hugh F / Casper / MTS Systems Corporation
* / Stephen / Davies / Hexcel
Pedro / De La Lastra / Canagrosa
Ergun / Evrensel / TAI (TURKISH AEROSPACE INDUSTRIES, INC)
Jonathan / Hebben / Avcorp Composite Fabrication
Ian / Jenner / Autoclave & Industrial Controls Ltd
* / Hubert / Kern / FACC
Diana / Morera Valdera / TEAMS
Ian / Palethorpe / Meggitt polymers and composites
Martyn / Perks / Tods Aerospace (Trading as AGC Aerocomposites)
Kevin / Robinson / Eurotherm Ltd by Schneider Electric
Thomas / Ruecker / Schneider Electric Systems Germany GmbH EUROTHERM
* / Don / Russell / Toray Composites
* / Jeff / Rybolt / ACE
* / Tammi / Schubert / Helicomb Intl. Inc.
* / Arno / Toelkes / Euro-Composites
Francesc / Tort Santacana / Instron
Dean / Unwin / Senior Aerospace BWT
Nancy E / Vancil / Toray Carbon Fibers America
Małgorzata / Zalewska / Institute of Aviation
PRI Staff Present
John / Tibma1.2 Safety Information:
1.3 Reviewed Code of Ethics (Ref: Attendees’ Guide) and Meeting Conduct
1.4 Presented the Antitrust Video
1.5 Approval of Previous Closed Meeting Minutes
1.6 Open discussion
1.6.1 Supplier #4727 requested to have their certification extended since Supplier just
completed their Risk Mitigation Team (RMT) and their certification will expire before the closure of the re-entry audit.
Tara Campbell gave a review of the RMT process, and the change in the quality of the Root Cause Corrective Action (RCCA) presented once a new Quality Manager was brought on board between round 1 and round 3. She and Randy Armstrong made an argument for extending their certification due to the circumstances of not getting the re-entry audit through completion prior to their current certificate expires.
A motion by Tara Campbell (Rolls-Royce) was made to extend the Supplier’s certification until the next audit is closed. This was seconded by Lance Loeks (Boeing). A vote was called:
9 Green (Yea), 4 Yellow (Waive), 1 Red (Nay) - Angelina Mendoza voted Nay and stated that she thought this was setting a bad precedence. After acknowledgement of this fact, the motion passes and the Staff Engineer will have the ability to do this if and when necessary during the review of the re-entry audit.
1.6.2 Is it permissible to use Ziploc bags to store frozen materials?
Lance Loeks from Boeing did some research on this issue, and some of the materials are moisture proof but there is a wide variance of information and quality of these products identified as “Ziploc”. GE, Lockheed Martin, Bell Helicopter and Spirit stated that this would not be allowed under their regulations.
Lockheed Martin raised the point that could we make it a shall for tape and heat seal, but this is “raising the bar” and some other OEMs might allow something different in legacy specifications.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to add handbook clarification for things that are not acceptable and add Ziploc bags as an unallowed option for storing materials. (Due Date: 31-Aug-2016)
2.0 COMP/NMMM/NMMT AUDIT REVIEWER DELEGATION REVIEW – CLOSED
John Tibma presented his data for oversight of his delegation status for the COMP Task Group. The Task Group is performing an over sighting at 87% and his concurrence rate is at 96.3% with 7 out of 160 total Non-conformance Reports (NCRs) rejected for further review.
John Tibma disagrees with one of the rejections to his disposition for COMP Audit #166921 NCR #1 as the customer specification allows for an ambient cure with no vacuum, and the vacuum was reduced from the specification value.
A motion was made by Kevin Dowling (Spirit Aerosystems) to not count this rejection against the Staff Engineer. The motion was seconded by Angelina Mendoza (UTAS). A vote was taken:
14 Green (Yea), 0 Yellow (Waive), 0 Red (Nay) - The motion passes and is approved.
A reviewer on one of the audit findings had additional questions concerning the cure cycle verification process and wanted the RCCA to be re-addressed. There is a training course being created for the auditor conference. It was asked if a question should be added to the checklist for this specific issue since this is coming up more and more and the supply chain is using this as an industry practice. A discussion ensued about the acceptance of the acceptance software versus an acceptance of the actual cure cycle. This will be further addressed in October 2016 Nadcap Meeting with possible questions and handbook clarification to be added addressing the certification of the software used to validate cure cycle compliance.
Harry Coffee is the Consultant Reviewer for the COMP Task Group and is not delegated. The Task Group is performing an over sight of his work at 100% (as required), and he had a concurrence rate of 100% with 0 out of 48 total NCRs rejected for further review.
Harry Coffee Delegation requirements were reviewed. Harry has been reviewing audits for 1.3 years and has maintained a 94% concurrence rating (135 NCRs & 36 Audits of June 1).
A motion was made by Andreas Mastorakis (GE Aviation) to delegate Harry Coffee for the COMP Task Group as a Consultant Reviewer. The motion was seconded by Kevin Dowling (Spirit Aerosystems). A vote was taken:
14 Green (Yea), 1 Yellow (Waive), 0 Red (Nay) The Task Group will continue to monitor Mr. Coffee’s work as part of the standard process. The motion passes.
John Tibma then presented the data for his and our newest consultant reviewer for AC 7122, Betty Koscis, who is not delegated. The Task Group is performing an over sight of her work at 100% (as required), and she had a concurrence rate of 100% (0 for 7 rejections). NMMT for John Tibma was 100% with 0 out of 11 NCRs worked being rejected.
John Tibma presented his data for oversight of his delegation status for the NMMM Task Group. The Task Group is performing an over sighting at 77.8% and his concurrence rate is at 100 % with 0 out of 14 total NCRs rejected for further review.
John Tibma presented his Delegation Maintenance Status:
AC7118 1-Feb-2016 – 31-May-2016 - 66 Audits, 217 NCRs
AC7122 1-Feb-2016 – 31-May-2016 - 8 Audits, 11 NCRs
AC7124 1-Feb-2015 – 31-May-2016 - 7 Audits, 18 NCRs
Observed COMP Audit 169423
Requirements – Work 10 audits and 30 NCRs and observed 1 audit, any TG/STG
This was reviewed with the Task Group and maintenance of this requirement was documented.
3.0 COMP/NMMM/NMMT AUDITOR PERFORMANCE REVIEW – CLOSED
Auditor Statistics
Review Submitted Observation Audit Forms
Observation Audit Statistical Review
Auditor Training Topic: Use the tour to get an idea of the process that are being done and issues that could come up.
Auditor Training Topic: Core Processing Job Audit expectations and requirements. (Job Audit 16)
4.0 AUDITOR CONSISTENCY SUB-TEAM REPORT OUT – CLOSED
Lance Loeks (Boeing) brought up a request to look at developing a “Functional Excellence Program” for the auditors? John Tibma made a comment that we need to develop a method for removing a restriction from an auditor (i.e. if an auditor is restricted from Core Processing audit, what do they need to do to get this Scope added to their audit ability?) Mr. Tibma stated that when we interview and note the deficiencies, then we decide what to do to make the deficiencies “go away” with training. Need to formalize this process. Currently, they must review them all and we ask if this was reviewed or not. Now, we need to do a test to validate if the information is being absorbed and learned within the system.
ACTION ITEM: The Auditor Consistency Team shall develop guidelines for a formal methodology for initial auditor induction training for COMP/NMMM/NMMT and training/testing required for removing restrictions from the auditor’s profile and other pre-requisites for the auditor’s capability scope. (Tara Campbell (Lead), John Tibma, Lance Loeks) (Due Date: 31-Oct-2016)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to distribute the list of training presentation required for all auditors to the Auditor Consistency Team. (John Tibma) (Due Date: 31-Jul-2016)
ACTION ITEM: Auditor Consistency Team to formalize the process of gathering feedback from the auditors on what improvements can be made to the Audit Checklists and to the overall way the Task Group communicates and conducts business with them. (Tara Campbell (Lead), John Tibma, Lance Loeks) (Due Date: 31-Oct-2016)
John Tibma presented the data for the audits for the coming 2016 fiscal year.
John Tibma provided the list of audits and highlighted the ones that have the auditors we should try and concentrate on.
5.0 SUPPLIER MATURITY RATING– CLOSED
This issue was tabled until the October 2016 Nadcap Meeting in Pittsburgh.
ADJOURNMENT – 20-Jun-2016 – Meeting was adjourned at 1:00 p.m.
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