Howard Griswold Conference Call—Thursday, September 6, 2012
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‘I am not a public servant {officer or employee} and any claim to the contrary must be proved by payroll records and my alleged public servant {officer} title and sworn under penalty of perjury with full commercial liability for the person who swears to it.’
I’m not an officer or agent or employee of the government. I am not resident within the government and any claim to the contrary must be proved by payroll records. Prove that I’m being paid by the government to be a government employee. If you can’t then your law doesn’t apply to me.
Government has all the right in the world to make laws and rules regulating itself.
When they impose any of these rules and regulations beyond government upon any of us {private} they’re breaching their fiduciary duty {as public officers and trustees of government}.
Public means government—private means non-government.
Your acceptance of anything that government offers you at any level in any way, shape or form is a consent to cooperate with them and to put yourself under their authority and control.
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It is a dishonest act of enforcing a law upon a private individual that government has no right, no power, no authority whatsoever to enforce upon the private individual. That is breach of their fiduciary duty with no stupid questions asked.
When you file a breach of fiduciary duty case you are actually filing in equity. Leave out all statutory references even though that example that we send around came out of Colorado forms and it refers to a Colorado statutory representation that does put it in equity but it isn’t necessary to quote any statutory reference in order to open the court of equity which is the Article 3 courts
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‘This defendant states that he is without knowledge sufficient to form a belief as to the correctness of the statement of the claim of the plaintiffs and he neither admits nor denies the allegations concerning the claims of the plaintiffs but demands the plaintiffs strictly prove their claim.’
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They’ll always say that we need the information from you.The burden of proof is upon the complaining party, not upon the defendant. That, again, is a violation of due process.
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Their own paperwork is your evidence to prove their dishonest act, have a copy of the statute, for instance, that shows what they were supposed to do which they didn’t do or a copy of the rule that shows what they were supposed to do that they didn’t do—not that complicated for any of us to do.
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[Howard] In continuing on with what we’ve been talking about and teaching for years which is not penetrating the thick heads of very many people out there, the idiots that think Title 42 is going to do them some good. Title 42 was set up for the class of people that were put under Title 42. If you read Title 42 you find out that that did not apply to the American people who lived in this country as free people in the past. It has only been applied to the people because they’ve duped the stupid people into participating in government benefits and now it can apply to whoever accepted government benefits {serf class}. I don’t know how long or for how many people we have been trying to teach people that the only way to be free is to terminate all contractual relations with the government. {see Very few people are bothering to do it. I’m getting tired of fooling around with this shit and I don’t think I’m going to continue doing it much longer because the people don’t care. And as long as they don’t care then I guess I have no reason to care. I’m getting old, I’m getting tired, this sinus congestion problem is bothering me worse and worse {see The Sinus Cure – and I don’t need the damned aggravation any more of putting up with stupidity of my own as well as other people’s. My own stupidity’s enough to aggravate me no end and not completely comprehending all this stuff but trying to get what little we’ve learned through to people and make them realize that the only change is either be the Biblical story of burning the damned city government buildings to the ground and getting rid of all this paperwork or us forcing the termination of the registration of all property with the government—one or the other. Well, I think it’s going to come to the burning and violence because I see no alternative. The people are as one of those e-mails said, somebody quoted in history that it’s not the evil ones that are the cause of the destruction of society but it’s the people of society don’t do anything about the evil and participate in it that causes the destruction of society. By God, are they right. Who was that? Patrick Henry I think it was that said that. Amazing the intelligence that people used to have when there was very little education available. It’s amazing the little bit of intelligence that’s left now that we have such a high degree of education available. {today it’sagenda-driven ‘regucation’ and serf training with the absence of education in critical thinking – i.e., training for the technical feudal society (Rottenfeller wins again)} I still think every school in the whole world ought to be burned to the ground and done away with. It’s destroying the mind of man due to the controls of schooling. But anyway, getting back to the essence of what we have to learn to do if anybody’s interested in doing it is to learn more about due process. The case that was cited, the Hauslip {sp?} that Dave mentioned, that’s well worth your while to ask him for that e-mail. If you don’t ask for any of the other ones on tonight’s program that one is critically important. We talked about that and read it fifteen, maybe as much as seventeen or eighteen years ago. I don’t think we understood it that many years ago as well as we do today. It has taken these years of learning—this little thing—that little thing—to be able to comprehend what was meant by what was said in that case about due process. It’s apparent—Dave, do you remember what I found in the Maryland code about an amendment of a judgment which a bunch of morons called void judgments. They’re not void until after you get them voided. So you can’t approach a case and call it a void judgment until you gotten it voided. So we looked it up to see how to do it in the Maryland Code because we had a case but we needed to void the judgment and it was called a petition to amend the judgment. It wasn’t called a void judgment. And in the explanation of it in the Maryland Code it says there are three ways to bring an argument to amend a judgment. Number one is fraud, but fraud being such a normal thing, so rampant will normally be not sufficient to get a judgment amended. Misrepresentation is the second approach but that is similar to fraud because misrepresentation is nothing more than defrauding somebody by deceit and normally that will not get a judgment amended. The only thing that will get a judgment amended is irregularity. Remember, Dave, it it’s not irregular. Well, most of the crap that they do in this religious organization called the justice system run by a religious organization called the BAR Association has its own little religion and it’s not a righteous religion. There are all kinds of religions around. I don’t know of any of them that are righteous but this one is extremely unrighteous. It’s for me—the hell with you—that’s their attitude. {Curiously, the Chinese regard our Bill of Rights in that light. The Japanese don’t have a word for freedom. Would you want the Chinese to invade??? Reference Douglas Dietrich (originally from Taiwan) for more on this—the oriental mindset—not ours for sure—less fiction there too unlike our Alice-in-Wonderland society.} Not for you over and above my own needs—that’s not their approach. Their approach is to take whatever they can take. As a matter of fact, Dave, what was that word that that lawyer used up in that Massachusetts case that this system is a system based on prescription. Remember that? When you look up prescription, the word, prescription, does not mean what you think it means like a doctor’s prescription for medicine although it might apply to that too because that’s nothing but a taking of your money in return for nothing that’ll do you any good. But the doctrine of prescription according to the law dictionary is the doctrine of taking—of taking what people have for their benefit. Well, that’s not due process. And understanding due process seems to be how you understand irregularity. Irregularity is when they don’t apply due process and they don’t apply the statutory means and intent but twist the law to suit their needs or their wants—then it’s irregular, when they don’t follow the law, when they don’t pay attention to the requirements of the law such as proper service. Proper service is never properly done. Proper service means putting a piece of paper into the hands of the person being served, not leaving it on the fence post—that is not proper service. That’s how it’s done most of the time or it’s left in the mailbox by the mailman telling you to be in court. That is not proper service. That is a lack of due process.
[Dave]They have to file all their regulations and when they fail it is irregular.
[Howard] That’s correct. Now, we’ve been working on filing appeals for years. Several different people other than myself all across the country have helped others to try to bring cases into the appeals court. We’ve been successful to some extent in a few things but couldn’t really figure out why because the court doesn’t fully explain exactly why they agreed with us. The court never explains why they don’t agree with us. In a lot of cases we haven’t been successful. And finally in reading a couple of more recent cases on due process I finally realized that’s exactly what has to be shown, lack of due process, lack of regularity of showing a lack of attention either by the court or by the prosecutors or by he law enforcement morons to do what the law requires them to do properly in order to bring an action into court. And a whole lot of this stuff was never intended to be brought against the American people in their private capacity {fair game for serfs however}, only those Americans who decided to sign up and join in with the government as employees and officers {the ones that can show a pay stub from the government or licensed by the government.} they were the only ones that the law would apply to. Now, there’s a whole lot of morons out here trying to tell you, and most of them are lawyers, that the law would apply to—‘some people think the law doesn’t apply to them, the law applies to everybody.’ Well, you know what he’s talking about. No, you don’t know what he’s talking about, do you? Wait a minute, that was a mistake to say that. He knows what he’s talking about but you don’t know what he’s talking about. He’s in the government, isn’t he? When he says the law applies to everybody he knows what he’s saying. It applies to everybody like him that’s in the government {a government worker—licensed by the government}. It does not apply to everybody everywhere. It only applies to everybody that’s in the government. Read those cases like Twining v. State. What was the other one? Chicago Railroad Company v. Number One School District of Yuma County, a Colorado Supreme Court case. Twining v. State, I think that one went all the way to the US Supreme Court out of New Jersey, all the way back to Pierce v. New York, back in the early 1800s. In all three of those cases the courts have said that the government of the state has all the right in the world to make all the needful laws, rules and regulations to regulate itself. What I’m having trouble with is understanding why the American people cannot understand the meaning of itself. Itself means the government’s self. The laws, rules and regulations are to regulate the government and it’s internal activities.
[Dave]…on the real estate that they control which is the ten-mile square District of Columbia and the State of California Inc., State of Pennsylvania, State of Kentucky and a two-capital letter abbreviation for state fiction zones and five or more numbered fictions zones. Live people are not in fiction zones. Live natural people are on, on top of, they’re above the actual land. They’re not in fictions. Hardest thing in the world to get people to understand the distinction between actual and make believe.
[Howard]Well, being that you brought that up that way maybe it’s time that I mentioned this audit of the Federal Reserve. I don’t know what’s in it. I haven’t seen it but the e-mail you were reading said that it was a lot of surprises, amazing discovery of some stuff but every inconsequential, insignificant and totally meaningless. The Federal Reserve Bank doesn’t have any money. The Federal Reserve Bank doesn’t have any credit {they just got you by the short hairs}. The Federal Reserve Bank doesn’t have any debt. It’s all artificial. It’s all pretend. One of it means a thing. {Uh oh, Alice-in-Wonderland’s back again}. Why haven’t we realize that when we see things like the credit card has been discharged by the bank. The bank no longer proceeds to go after people to collect the money because there was no money. There were pieces of paper. There were documents of all kinds. There was a pretend appearance of money but as far as requiring you to give it back—they don’t want to put out the effort. They don’t even need to. They just write it off the books because it wasn’t anything to start with, there isn’t anything now. It’s all zero. Nothing means anything in fiction and it’s all fictional. When they take you into court and try to collect, that’s a third-party debt collector which you ought to get in touch if you have any of these kinds of problems with those websites that Dave’s led you to. They are concentrating on this issue more so than Dave and I are—I mean Dave DeReimer and I are. We’re very generalized. We’re into every aspect of the corruption of law. These people who are specializing in things like that have more specific details to help you with on specific problems but they are on the right track about these third party debt collectors. They are third party. They have nothing to do with the bank and they are creating fraudulent claims in the courts that the bank is moving against you when in fact if you ask the bank for it the bank will give you a piece of paper and sometimes they do it anyway without being asked that says the bank has been discharged. How silly—how stupid I could be—I saw that and didn’t pay attention to it—didn’t realize what it meant. No wonder the American people don’t. We all have been educated the same way in the same schools. We just went to separate schools together—same education—destruction of the brain—no thinking capacity—follow the program—don’t think for yourself—that’s the whole concept of education. Now, I saw those papers that discharged the debt and didn’t realize what it meant for a long time till finally I started putting all these little pieces that I’ve been learning over the years together and realized that, why certainly they discharged the debt—there was no debt. There couldn’t have been one. They didn’t lend any money. They created money based on the signature of the person who signed the application for the alleged loan.