Gain Process Map Input from Europe and Asia

Gain Process Map Input from Europe and Asia


Thursday, December09, 2004


Call to order at 9:10 A.M. EST

Meeting adjourned at 10:25 AM EST

Action Summary

Gain process map input from Europe and Asia

Research Security and Medical Banking domain

Attendance & Membership

DeLeys Brandman / CommerceNet
Karen Cox / RosettaNet
Ed Dodds / Individual
Nick Ragouzis / Individual
Kumar Sivaraman / SeeBeyond Technology Corporation
Sally St. Amand / Individual
Brett Trusko / OASIS


The minutes of the previous meeting were reviewed. (No formal approved due to lack of quorum.

Next Teleconference

The next teleconference is scheduled for 20 January 2005 at 6:00AM Pacific for 90 minutes.

Next Face-to-Face Meeting

Potential next: 15 February 2005 at HIMSS in DallasTexas, USA



Concern was raised by the lack of team participation during teleconferences. This IHC TC teleconference did not have member quorum to make any formal decisions.

Review Online Ballots


DeLeysreviewed the two ballots that are still open:

  • Identify use of UML as the tool direction for TC
  • Proposed calendar for year

No decision due to lack of quorum.

Process Map


DeLeys described the structure and elements of the Process Map matrix to be used to identify key processes between key supply chain roles.

Sally asked if Nursing Homes should be called out separately from the Hospitals? This is a support group that is in transition now and will continue to be important.Brett suggested that the goal was to group similar roles if possible but with ability to break out individual roles later.

This is modeled more on the US which has a very complex system. If someone from EU or Asia could understand how this maps to their systems and the alignment with these processes.

>DeLeys agreed that we needed to gain input from other regions.

Standards Map


Karen commented that RosettaNet does provide a comprehensive set of process standards for inventory, procurement, forecasting, payment etc. These standards can be applied to health care roles. RosettaNet also has a production capability for UML and Schema Engineering and there are significant opportunities for RosettaNet to support these process needs from OASIS TC. RosettaNet has MOU with OASIS to enable this type of cooperation with the business process TCs.

Sally commented that OAGIS, Airforce and other organizations have existing standards. For example,Europe RosettaNet SAP OAGIS group is working to apply RosettaNet PIPs for European applications. OAGIS also has MOU with OASIS.Sally also commented that she has involvement with a UNCEFACT initiative and can provide

Kumar recommended that one dimension to add to this spreadsheet is the emerging technology like RFID for EPCglobal. They have health care action group.

Another area for possible attention is disease mgmt (health over IP) for remote monitoring of individual cases. Global Tele-health may be something of interest.

Brett commented OASIS is owner. HL7 is sponsor of the site and Brett is editor. This includes a list with pointers to look for standards.

Recruiting Status and Stakeholder Matrix


Karen asked about the status of recruiting stakeholders prior to building out detailed processes. DeLeys explained the TC approach:

  1. Identify process at high-level and get participants to reach out to them.
  2. Focus on recruiting using the high-level graphic map as foundation.
  3. Develop detailed UML for individual processes

DeLeys described the challenge of moving forward with this recruiting effort. Part of it is due to limited team resources.Karen explained RosettaNet approach to use major implementers to drive priorities and process focus. These leaders can determine what areas are important.

Sally commented that we could pick some muscular players, but in some TCs even having the leaders does not ensure that the TC can move quickly. Some of the tough comprehensive topics take a lot of time to put the fundamental capability in place. Conceptual abstract issues are the toughest ones to wrestle with them in a neutral way.

Delays commented that the TC role expected to evaluate solution applications for Healthcare: Example: ‘Liberty Alliance’ has ability to manage federated security in healthcare. Can we decide if it is good enough or do we need more?

Agree there is value in getting few implementers, there is also value in building the broad scope to set the view in top-down approach.

Nike proposed that we may need to provide a graphical map of the healthcare process. To show them the big picture (large wall maps) using the icons that are relevant to their industry. Have to work on the language component, the reader would access from PC or have to print out the images.

Consider creating a centralized web site and give visible the variety of XML initiatives including XML.ORG HL7 site. This could be a good way to create some excitement and bring together the interested people.

DeLeys commented that we are not really getting the resources we need to create the process maps, to build the specific process definitions and to move onto the UML models. Are there ways we can get closer to these existing efforts and make decisions in specific area?

Sally recommended we focus the areas of domain that are of interest to decision makers.


Financing (medical banking).

Recommend we look at those domains and understand how they relate.

DeLeys agreed to do some research on these two processes areas.

Meeting concluded at 10:25AM EST.