September 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/0963r0
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
Date: 2009-09-10
Author(s):
Name / Affiliation / Address / Phone / email
Peter Ecclesine / Cisco Systems / 170 W. Tasman Dr., San Jose, CA 95134-1706 / +1-408-527-0815 /
Richard Kennedy (Research In Motion), Chair called meeting to order at 2004 EDT
Peter Ecclesine (Cisco) is recording secretary
Approved Agenda
1. Introduction
2. Administrative items:
a. Please be familiar with the documents at the following links:
IEEE Patent Policy - http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt
Patent FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf
LoA Form - http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/loa.pdf
Affiliation FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html
Anti-Trust FAQ - http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf
Ethics - http://www.ieee.org/portal/cms_docs/about/CoE_poster.pdf
IEEE 802.11 Working Group Policies and Procedures - https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/public-file/07/11-07-0360-04-0000-802-11-policies-and-procedures.doc
b. Study Group rules
c. Chair and secretary (secretaries?)
d. Recording your attendance [send email to and
3. Review and approve the minutes from the August 4th teleconference [11-09-0922-00-tvws-aug-4th-teleconference-minutes posted since August 6th]
4. Review the Draft PAR and 5 Criteria [11-09-0934-00-tvws-par-nescom-form-plus-5c posted August 28th]
5. Plan for the September 15th teleconference
6. Plan for the IEEE 802 Wireless Interim in Hawaii [September 21st through 25th]
7. Review 09/951r0 Proposed Modifications to the Draft PAR and 5C – ten minutes if time permits
Chair is using 09/946r0 as the agenda and display for the teleconference, and says there are time errors on slide 16, which we will cover when we get there. Chair announces each slide.
Slide 3 agenda is reviewed and chair asks are there any changes? Someone from NICT asks for ten minutes to review 09/951r0, and chair agrees to add it at the end if time permits
Chair asks if there are any objections to approving the agenda – none is heard
Chair reads slide 8, and makes Call for Potentially Essential Patents – no response is heard.
Chair asks if there are any objections to approving the minutes from the August 4th teleconference, 09/922r0 and Peter Ecclesine notes there are two editorial errors to be fixed and have it reposted. No objection to approving 09/922r0 the minutes from the August 4th teleconference is heard.
Chair reads slide 12 PAR: Scope, Purpose & Need
Winston Caldwell (FOX Tech, News Corp) says the word ‘coexistence’ (in 5.4 Purpose) is a little misleading, because we are required to not interfere with primary users.
Jim Worsham (AT&T Services): Question, is there alternative text that Winston proposes?
Chair says wordsmithing on teleconference is not so good
Winston – I am making the point
Chin Sean Sum (NICT) says the phrase “to facilitate the coexistence of such systems with primary users” should be moved to 5.2 Scope.
Steve Shellhammer (Qualcomm) The Scope is the work you are doing. The word ‘coexistence’ implies equals, but the primary users get ‘protection’, not interference.
Joe Kwak (Interdigital) says ‘coexistence’ implies a peer relation. The regulations tell us what to do to protect primary users.
Tom Kolze (Broadcom) – I don’t see what the PHY and MAC are going to do to protect incumbents.
Chin Sean Sum propose moving to Scope, example is 802.15.3, where there is a brief overview of mechanisms, if coexistence with primary users is in the Scope, we have the flexibility to do so.
Kathyayani Srikanteswara (Intel) we have to follow the regulations, why does coexistence belong in 5.2 Scope?
Chair asks that discussion moves to the TVWS SG email list
Steve Shellhammer asks why 5.5 mentions lightly licensed use. Chair responds in other regulatory domains it may be lightly licensed.
No comments on PAR form 7.1, 8.1
Joe Kwak says Canada passed legislation on White Spaces and that should be noted. Ivan Reede knows the details
Zhou Lan (NICT) asks to remove “in the USA” in 2.1 PAR title
On to the 5C
Winston Caldwell questions the second sentence in Broad Market Potential b) “It is expected that the use of lower frequency bands will allow Wireless ISPs to provide better services at a lower cost of coverage to larger areas than the current systems.” Suggests maybe removing that second sentence, however you are dealing with interference.
Chair reaches slide 16 Schedule, and asks what time should the Sept 15th teleconf be held.
Tushar Moorti (Broadcom) says 2000 EDT, same as this teleconf.
Chair asks if there is any opposition to holding the teleconf at 2000 EDT, and hears none.
Chair agrees the teleconf time will be moved.
Someone from NICT says all the items from 09/951 have been discussed, and there is no need to present it
Chair asks if there is any other business, hearing none, we are adjourned at 2058 EDT.
Attendance /Name / Affiliation / Timezone / Confirmed /
Peter Ecclesine / Cisco Systems / -0700 UTC (PDT) / Y
Rich Kennedy / Research In Motion / -0500 UTC (CDT) / Y
Yohannes Alemseged / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
Tom Kolze / Broadcom / -0700 UTC (PDT) / Y
Steve Kuffner / Motorola / -0500 UTC (CDT) / Y
Jim Worsham / AT&T Services / -0400 UTC (EDT) / Y
Paul Lambert / Marvell / -0700 UTC (PDT) / Y
Tushar Moorti / Broadcom / -0700 UTC (PDT) / Y
Kaberi Banerjee / None / Y
Naveen Kakani / Nokia / -0500 UTC (CDT) / Y
Steve Shellhammer / Qualcomm / -0700 UTC (PDT) / Y
Vijay Auluck / Intel / -0700 UTC (PDT) / Y
Victor Hou / Broadcom / -0700 UTC (PDT) / Y
Hiroshi Harada / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
M Azizur Rahman / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
Dan Lubar / Relay Services / -0600 UTC (MDT) / Y
Winston Caldwell / News Corp / -0700 UTC (PDT) / Y
Garth Hillman / OakTree Wireless / -0500 UTC (CDT) / Y
Zhou Lan / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
Kathyayani Srikanteswara / Intel Corporation / -0700 UTC (PDT) / Y
Cor van de Water / Proxim / +0530 UTC (IST) / Y
Sai Shankar N / Broadcom / Y
Chin Sean Sum / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
Stanislav Filin / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
Julan Hsu / Samsung / +0900 UTC / Y
Kentaro Ishizu / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
Chen Sun / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
Meng Wah / I2R / +0800 UTC / Y
Rama
Joe Kwak / InterDigital / -0400 UTC (EDT) / Y
Tuncer Baykas / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
Gabriel Villardi / NICT / +0900 UTC / Y
References: 802.11-09/922r1 August 4th Teleconference Minutes
Submission page 5 Peter Ecclesine, Cisco Systems