20130919 beginner lesson 2 doc
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Cyn: Hi gang sorry I am late..
Jennie: It might just be you and me :)
Jennie: Hi there
Cyn: Hi Jennie and Claire How are you bothtoday?
Cyn: brb sending out a couple invites.
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Jennie: Doing well
Claire: Hi Cyn (Cynthia?) and Jennie. I am well, thank you.
Claire: HOw are you doing?
Claire: I think we are a bit in advance as the lesson should start in around 10 min.
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Cyn: Yes it is me Cynthia but I despise 'Cindy' so shortened it to Cyn as a reminder.
Cyn: any needle questions? I try to dedicate the half hour before to needle basics
Claire: Sorry, I am learning shuttle tatting.
Jennie: I'm a shuttle tatter
Cyn: no apologies necessary I can't remember who does which tool
Cyn: brb dog wants out
Cyn: sorry there was a bird caught on the porch
Jennie: Is the bird ok?
Cyn: yes the bird flew out the door when I opened it.
Claire: Hope the bird found his freedom again.
candyoz joined the chat 7 hours ago
candyoz: hi all
Cyn: Hi Candyoz....
Claire: hi
Cyn: we'll get started in acouple minutes
candyoz: sorry I missed monday but was visiting grand babies
Cyn: grandbabies are important too! do you know where to get the pattern and log?
candyoz: hi shell
candyoz: no
Cyn: go to http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2013 and scroll down to the date
candyoz: k ty
Claire: "page not found"
Jennie: that link isn't working for me
Cyn: arrrggghhh it doesn't work. Let me get the page
candyoz: link not working
candyoz: k
Cyn: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2013/2013index.html I missed the last part! I thought it would go to 2013 but didn't without the full link
LizG joined the chat 7 hours ago
Jennie: Are we going to the Sept 16th part?
Cyn: WELCOME EVERYONE PLEASE SIGN IN....NAME LOCATION, EMAIL TOOL IF THIS IS THE FIRST SERIES...ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR ME TO HELP YOU
Jennie: Jennie Bunde, Galesburg, IL , shuttle
candyoz: Tamie Montgomery Kentucky, shuttle and needle about 6 months
LizG: Liz Godfrey, Boise, ID, , shuttle
Cyn: CYN STEVENSON, STILLWATER OK USA, OR LEADER OF THE GANG SHUTTLE AND NEEDLE AND TATTER FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS
candyoz: ok not showing today's date
Cyn: JENNIE NO THAT WAS SO TAMIE COULD GET THE INFO FOR THE CLASS SHE MISSED.
candyoz: oh ok got it now
Jennie: Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh. ..
candyoz: ty.. grandchildren make u brain dead
candyoz: lol
Cyn: WE ARE DOING THE BEGINNING TATTING CLASS TODAY. LESSON 2...BUT FIRST ANY QUESTIONS LEFT OVER OR DISCOVERED FROM TRYING LAST WEEK'S SKILLS?
Cyn: I DON'T READ MINDS....PLEASE 'N' OR THE QUESTION...I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYONE BEHIND
candyoz: n
Claire: Claire, Victoria BC (Canada), shuttle (since August 2013). clap42 @ gmail.com
Jennie: N
Claire: I didn't attend the lesson last week. Is there any log of it?
Cyn: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/newtat/lesson2.htm IS THE LESSON WE ARE DOING...RW, TURN, AND DNRW,; JOINS; DEALING WITH ENDS.
Cyn: CLAIRE I CAN SEND IT TO YOU AFTER CLASS...IF i FORGET PLEASE EMAIL ME AT
Cyn: WITH THE CHANGES IN YAHOO WE CAN'T BE SURE THE LOGS WILL POST AND I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK FROM GEORGIA RE POSTING THEM ON THE BEGINNERS PAGE
Shell left this message 7 hours ago:
Shuttle right now.
Cyn: SHELL SCROLL DOWN AND CLICK JOIN CHAT
Claire: Thanks Cynthia.
Claire: No question about lesson 1.
candyoz: n
Shell left this message 7 hours ago:
I also missed last week's class.
LizG: no questions
Cyn: IF YOU GET QUIET PLEASE K IN WHEN YOUR NAME GETS TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE OR YOU MAY GET BUMPED. WHEN IT HAPPENS JUST COME ON BACK IN AND CATCH UP
Jennie: k
Cyn: SHELL ARE YOU ON A TABLET OR PHONE?
candyoz: k
Claire: Actually, I do have a question about lesson 1. In Hidind ends (Lily's way), what is the "popping" mentionned (http://www.georgiaseitz.com/morales/lilyend.html)
Shell left this message 7 hours ago:
pc. how do i get on the ph?
Claire: Oops, that will be part of this lesson. Sorry
Cyn: WHEN WE ____________ THE TOP BECOMES THE BOTTOM AND THE LEFT BECOMES THE RIGHT....HINT HINT http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/turningwork.html
Claire: Reverse
Jennie: rw
candyoz: rw
Cyn: PC IS EASIER...SCROLL DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE WINDOW sHELL AND CLICK ON JOIN CHAT...PLEASE IT IS EASIER
Shell joined the chat 7 hours ago
Shell: ok--new at this too
Claire: In RW, left doesn't becomes right though...
Cyn: WELCOME TO THE GANG SHELL...i WASN'T SURE IF YOU WERE ON A PHONE OR TABLET AND COULD NOT FIND THE JOIN CHAT...
candyoz: that is turning your work
Claire: ok, so it was two different sentences.
Cyn: YOU ARE RIGHT CLAIRE.
candyoz: k
Cyn: eVERYONE CAN FIND ALL THE LESSONS FROM OUR HOME OR INDEX PAGE THAT CAN BE FOUND AT http://www.georgiaseitz.com/newtat/indes.htm
candyoz: hi tats
Cyn: SHEL WHERE ARE YOU? i MAY HAVE SOMEONE NEAR BY WHO CAN HELP IN PERSON
LizG: k
Cyn: HI TATS*52 WELCOME TO THE GANG
tats*52 joined the chat 7 hours ago
Shell: I'm in Palmer Alaska
Cyn: WE ONLY HAVE YOU THAT I KNOW OF FOR SURE...BEAUTIFUL AREA THO.
Cyn: WHEN WE ROTATE OUR WORK WHAT HAPPENS?
Shell: I've done some very limited tatting so I'm going to be able to get through L1 & L2 to catch for next week.
Claire: Top becomes left or right depending on the rotation way.
tats*52: rotate different than RW
candyoz: we turn our work left or right
LizG: Do we always rotate clockwise?
tats*52: k
Claire: Front stays front.
candyoz: yes
Jennie: k
tats*52: I've tatted for years but the terminology has changed...
Cyn: WE SELDOM ROTATE BUT WHEN WE DO IT TURNS OUR WORK LIKE THE HANDS OF A CLOCK
Claire: ok
candyoz: in what instance would you rotate work
candyoz: I only know about the term
Cyn: I UNDERSTAND TATS...WHEN i BEGAN WITH THIS CLASS I HAD NEVER HEARD OR SEEN A PATTERN...ONLY COULD TAT A RING WITH PICOTS AND BARE THREAD SPACES...
Cyn: IT IS SELDOM USED
LizG: I'm making a clover right now, so I'm rotating - correct?
Cyn: KIND OF BUT NOT ACTUALLY IN TATTING TERMS...
Claire: I don't think you will rotate for a clover. Just close your ring and continue with the next one.
tats*52: can't get the lesson page to open but I'll follow the chat
LizG: Dang! I have to leave early today. Would you be so kind as to email me a copy of the log of today's class? Thanks and bye.
Cyn
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art51518.asp
» http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art35288.asp
http://www.palmettotatters.org/patterns/GlossaryTattingTermsPTGTatDays.pdf ARE GOOD LINKS FROM LESSON 1 ABOUT TERMS
Cyn: SURE LIZ BUT THAT WILL BE AFTER THE EVENING SESSION...IT IS AT 8:30 EASTERN SO COME ON BACK...
Jennie: brb crying baby up from nap
Cyn: TATS TRY http://www.georgiaseitz.com/newtat/lesson2.htm
candyoz: k
Cyn: ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RW, TURN AND ROTATE?
candyoz: n
Claire: mo
Shell: i'm good
Cyn: CAN EVERYONE DO A CHAIN? JUST CHECKING IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT CHAINS...
candyoz: y
Claire: yes
tats*52: k
Shell: i'm good
Cyn: LETS DEAL WITH HIDING ENDS...THERE ARE SEVERAL METHODS TO DO THAT...
Cyn: FIRST WE HAVE TAT OVER TAIL...THAT MEANS WE JUST PUT IT BETWEEN THE CORE THREAD AND THE LOOP AFTER THE FLIP BUT BEFORE WE ADJUST THE TENSION ON EACH HALF STITCH
Claire: ok
tats*52: k
Jennie: I'm back
candyoz: k
Cyn: IF YOU USE A MAGIC THREAD/HELPER LOOP/FLOSS THREADER YOU BASICALLY TAT OVER TAIL (TOT) WHEN USING THAT.
Jennie: I have a lot of trouble with magic thread - it gets stuck - any suggestions?
Claire: The only time I used the Magic Thread Trick, my thread broke. :(
Cyn: I PUT IN A FLOSS THREADER WITH THE LOOP TOWARD THE PROGRESSION OF WORK SO i CAN PULL THE THREAD BACK IN
Claire: On my current project, I will be trying it again, but using some fishing line instead of tatting thread.
candyoz: where do u get floss threaders, seems like those would be less likely to break
Cyn: TRY TATTING A BIT LOOSER. HERE IS A GOOD EXERCISE TO SEE HOW IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT
Cyn: PHONE BRB
Claire: Floss threader, as the one used for dental hygiene? (Sorry, English is a second language to me),
tats*52: k
Claire: What does BRB means?
candyoz: that's ok.. only ones I have seen are on stick things for flossing teeth
Jennie: be right back
Cyn: SORRY...BRB=BE RIGHT BACK
Claire: ah, ok. lol
Cyn: YOU CAN GET THEM FROM dRITZ NOW...THE FLOSS THREADERS///
candyoz: ok sounds good
Jennie: good to know!
Claire: ok
Cyn: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3ADental%20Floss%20Threader THE 2ND, IS A GOOD PIC...LET ME CHECK FURTHER DOWN
tats*52: k
Shell: Butler GUM has a flexible one, not rigid.
Cyn: 8, 9, 11,13 ARE THE GOOD ONES/
candyoz: ok ty
Claire: so, with the dental floss threader, you tat over its loop part only, isn't it?
Cyn: I CAN'T FIND THE BUTLER GUM ONES LOCALLY BUT DRITZ HAS THEM AS SEWING NOTIONS TOO
tats*52: k
Jennie: k
Cyn: NO YOU CAN TAT OVER THE ENTIRE LENGTH. TO PULL TOWARD THE LEFT i TAT OVER THE LOOP BUT TO PULL TO THE RIGHT *i TAT OVER THE SOLID PART
Cyn
HERE ARE ALL THE LINKS IN THE LESSON: http://www.janeeborall.freeservers.com/HideEnds.pdf
1. » » http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/takedaends.jpg
» http://www.georgiaseitz.com/morales/lilyend.html
» a variation on lily’s method http://www.e.n.e.btinternet.co.uk/HideEnds.pdf
http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes2001/fall2001/drakemt.html
http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/ends.html
Claire: What difference does it make to pull toward the left or the right?
Cyn: i LIKE THE DEBBIE DRAKE METHOD OR TAT OVER
Claire: If tatting over the solid part (handle), will that not make the tatting more 'chubby'?
Cyn: IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHICH WAY YOU WANT THE TAIL TO GO. iF ADDING A SECOND THREAD YOU HAVE 2 ENDS TO HIDE. SO DON'T PUT THEM BOTH ON THE SAME SIDE
Cyn: CLAIRE IT HAS TO BE THE FLOSSERS THAT DO NOT HAVE A THICK HANDLE.
Claire: The "variation on Lily's method" link is broken
Cyn: http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdUyAVDtSei0AGC5XNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGJjawNmM3A1MTY5OTJy
tats*52: k
Jennie: is there any way to do magic thread on two parts of the work to hide two threads?
candyoz: k
Cyn: i'LL HAVE TO POST A PIC OF ONE OF MINE. THE LAST LINK IS NOT CORRECT
granny c joined the chat 6 hours ago
granny c: Finally got in! Hello
candyoz: hi
Claire: Ok Cynthia. I did start my last project with the point 5 of this link (http://www.georgiaseitz.com/classes/ends.html), using fishing line. I haven't finish the pattern yet, so will have to wait and see if it works well.
Cyn: PUT A MAGIC THREAD IN BEFORE THE JOIN TO HIDE ONE END AND THENA SECOND ONE IN AFTER SO YOU CAN PULL THE ENDS EACH WAY
Jennie: I'll have to try that
Cyn: THE FISHING LINE IS ANOTHER GOOD METHOD...BASICALLY THE THING WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING JUST WITH A DIFFERENT TOOL
Claire: Fishing line because last time I used some thread as Magic Loop, it broke.
Claire: I didn't thought about using dental floss threader for the same purpose.
candyoz: any particular size fishing line
Cyn: 6 LB IS GOOD...BUT IF LARGER THREAD IS USED TRY A LARGER ONE.
candyoz: ok ty
candyoz: dh has alot of that
Claire: The package indicates 4 lb. I am using size 20 thread for my project.
Cyn: HERE IS THE EXERCISE I WAS SUGGESTING EARLIER.
Cyn: THAT WORKS TOO. i HAD TROUBLE WITH THE 4 LB BREAKING SO WENT TO 6LB
tats*52: k
Claire: ok
granny c: k
Jennie: k
Cyn: rING 8 DS DO NOT CLOSE TIGHT, CH8-8-8-8 STRETCH OUT AS FAR AS PRACTICAL. rEPEAT BUT USE YOUR NORMAL TENSION. lOOK AT HOW THE STITCHES ARE FORMED
Cyn: HOW DO THE STITCHES SLIDE? iS IT SMOOTH?
Cyn: IS THE TENSION AND SPACING EVEN?
Cyn: IS THE SPACING EVEN THRU OUT?
candyoz: y
Claire: RW after the ring?
Cyn: WE WILL RUN A BIT LATE SO IF YOU CAN STAY PLEASE DO...WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE METHODS AND JOINS
candyoz: ok
Cyn: NO NEED TO RW
Cyn: THIS IS JUST AN EXERCISE FOR YOUR USE...
tats*52: k
Cyn: THERE IS ALSO THE METHOD OF SEWING THE THREAD END IN BY USING A NEEDLE TO WORK THE THREAD BETWEEN THE 'LEGS' UNDER THE CAPS. YOU PULL IT TIGHT SO IT 'POPS' INTO THE WAISTBANDS.
Cyn: ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR?
candyoz: n
Claire: n
Cyn joined the chat 6 hours ago
tats*52: n
Jennie: with the method you just mentioned, would you then have to tighten each stitch?
Cyn: OOPS HIT THE WRONG KEY...
Cyn: AS YOU 'SEW' THE END IN? YES IT CAN BE DONE THAT WAY OR JUST PULL IT IN AT THE END AS IN http://www.georgiaseitz.com/morales/lilyend.html
tats*52: gotta go feed the chickens. see everyone next week. Bye!
candyoz: ok when sewing in the ends like that do you bring the thread up between or all the way thru to the other side
granny c: k
Cyn joined the chat 6 hours ago
Cyn: CHECK http://www.janeeborall.freeservers.com/TipsTechniques.htm jANE HAS SEVERAL VARIATIONS
Jennie: will there be a link to the transcript of this lesson?
Claire: Great page with lots of tips and techniques. Thanks
Cyn: YOUR CHOICE....I'VE DONE IT BOTH WAYS BUT DON'T LIKE EITHER...i PREFER TO TOT
Jennie: Yes, thank you for teaching us!
candyoz: I'm with you on that Cyn.. Makes the shape disproportioned I think
Cyn: AFTER THE EVENING SESSION i WILL SEND IT TO gEORGIA TO POST ON THE BEGINNER PAGE DUE TO THE CHANGES AT YAHOO
Jennie: ok, thanks
Cyn: YOU HAVE TO REALLY TUG THE STITCHES SMOOTH. THIS REPEATS TONIGHT AT 8:30 eASTERN TIME TOO
Cyn: WE WILL START NEXT WEEK WITH JOINS AND DO LESSON 3...OR WE CAN STAY AND FINISH--YOUR CHOICE
candyoz: it can be a pain sometimes.
Jennie: I'm good either way
granny c: k
candyoz: up to you your time which I appreciate greatly
Claire: I'm good either way too
Cyn: i TOT ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY AND USE A FLOSS THREADER TO TOT AND THEN PULL THE THREAD IN.
Shell: either way also
Cyn: OK I STAY....
Jennie: What does TOT stand for?
candyoz: ty Cyn
Jennie: yes, thank you!
Claire: TOT = Tat Over Tails
Shell: Thanks...
Jennie: got it, thanks
Cyn: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/103joins.html
Cyn: WHAT IS AN UP JOIN? A DOWN JOIN IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE......
Cyn: ANYONE CAN FILL IN WHY.....
candyoz: joining from the bottom up?
Jennie: ???
candyoz: you pull from the top down for a down join correct?
Cyn: RIGHT. THE THREAD IS 'UNDER' THE PICOT AND COMES UP FOR AN UP JOIN
granny c: k
Claire: ok
Cyn: FOR A DOWN JOIN THE THREAD IS 'OVER' THE PICOT AND GOES DOWN....
Cyn: JENNIE DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
Cyn: CHECK THE LINK i POSTED: http://www.georgiaseitz.com/2004/joins/103joins.html
Jennie: I usually do an up join - is that correct?
Jennie: As in joining to the last picot of a previous ring
Cyn: TYPICALLY THAT MAKES THE FRONT LOOK MORE UNIFORM. mOSTLY THE DOWN JOIN IS USED WHEN DOING FS/BS TATTING
Cyn: FS= FRONTSIDE BS=BACK SIDE
Jennie: as in a folded join?
Cyn: A HANDY TECHNIQUE THAT IS JNEWER THAN THE TRADITIONAL COMMONLY USED
candyoz: what is the difference between just regular tatting and fs/bs tatting
Cyn: A FOLDED JOIN IS DIFFERENT.... i FIND IT EASIEST TOLAY THE WORK DOWN AND SEE HOW IT WILL GO TOGETHER BEFORE i TAT IT.
Cyn: BRB
Jennie: k
candyoz: k