January 31, 2013doc.: IEEE 802.18-13/draft

IEEE P802.18
Radio Regulatory-TAG

[Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Minutes]
Date:January 31, 2013
Author(s):
Name / Affiliation(s) / Address / Phone / email
John Notor / Silver Spring Networks
Notor Research / San Jose, CA / 408-799-2738 /

These are the minutes of IEEE 802.18 Telephone Conference Call held on January 24, 2013.

The meeting was called to finalize comments to the FCC 3.5 GHz NPRM proceeding from IEEE 802. The draft comments baseline document for discussion is 18-13/04r7, “draft-802-comments-fcc-3550-3650-nprm”, which was posted by the Vice Chair at 5:42 PM EST on Thursday, January 17, 2013.

Thursday, January 24, 2013

  1. The Chair called the meeting to order at 5:10 PM CST.
  2. The Vice Chairasked attendees to email the Chair and Vice Chair their name and affiliation to establish attendance.
  3. The Vice Chair verified that a quorum was on the call.
  4. The Chair summarized the IEEE 802 patent policy.
  5. The Vice Chair displayed the agenda, 18-13/07r2, and asked if there were any changes to the agenda.
  6. The Chair asked if there were any objections to approving the agenda 18-13/07r2. Hearing no objections, the agenda was approved by unanimous consent.
  7. The Chair gave an overview of the purpose of the meeting. The meeting focused on the document to be submitted to the FCC, 18-13/04r9, “draft-802-comments-fcc-3550-3650-nprm”
  8. Peter Ecclesine, CISCO, displayed the document on Web Ex and took the meeting through the document.
  9. Apurva Mody (BAE Systems) requested an explanation of what was edited using track changes.
  10. Richard Kennedy (Research in Motion), took over presenting the reasons for the edits from the 802.11 Regulatory Standing Committee.
  11. Dan Lubar (Relay Services) commented on some of the edits he included.
  12. The discussion focused on advocating receiver standards, and there were disagreements about whether receiver standards.
  13. Roger Marks questioned why we should refer to the PCAST report. He suggested removing the paragraph referring to the PCAST report. There was no objection, so paragraph 4 was removed.
  14. Richard Kennedy asked why IEEE P1905 should be considered in this process. The Chair replied that the goal is to coordinate with the P1905 to avoid contradicting each other in the separate filings.
  15. The discussion moved on to paragraph 7. Peter Ecclesine pointed out that the goal of the Regulatory Standing Committee (“RSC”) is to have the whole 3.5 GHz band, including 3650 to 3700 MHz, be under database control under Part 95, grandfathering the legacy 3650 to 3700 MHz band as far as power limits, but the requiring the legacy band operators to also operate under the proposed database.
  16. There was some discussion about how exactly to include text related to the 3650 to 3700 MHz band.
  17. There were more edits to paragraph 7.
  18. Richard Kennedy suggested skipping the introduction section, and editing the body, returning later to revise the introduction.
  19. Apurva Mody suggested going to the section on beaconing to discuss why this was struck from the document.
  20. Peter Ecclesine provided a detailed explanation of why the proposal for beaconing was struck out. Ben Rolfe (Blind Creek Associates) suggested that we include beaconing as an alternative technology.
  21. There was a discussion, including comments by Ken Kerrigan (Naval Surface Warfare Center). There was discussion of whether we should promote or just note the availability of 802 beaconing technology.
  22. Richard Kennedy argued that beacons don’t work with battery powered equipment. Ben Rolfe argued that beacons are examples of what could be used.
  23. There was considerably more discussion of this point. The Chair concluded that the group needed to come to agreement on text for the beaconing issue that shows it as an alternative to databases or other approaches.
  24. There was considerably more discussion about the details of the approach to this issue.
  25. The Chair suggested that the group move on to another subject.
  26. Peter Ecclesine suggested moving to the issue of legacy 3650 to 3700 MHz systems. Roger reviewed his proposed original language, which proposed leaving the rules in the legacy band alone, unchanged. Roger suggested that the legacy band could be used as backhaul for small mobile cells.
  27. Peter Ecclesine suggested that 802.11 would want the same rules throughout the 3550 to 3700 MHz, and a new look at the exclusion zones around FSS. Roger Marks suggested that he could work with that, but he said he needed an exact wording to review. The Chair hoped that the language could be circulated before the next call.
  28. Peter moved on to the issue of making coexistence criteria with FSS more rigorous in terms of the exact limits on proposed Part 95 operations.
  29. The meeting wound down with agreement to try to draft additional comments that focused on areas of agreement.
  30. Peter Ecclesine agreed to send the edited draft to the Vice Chair, who will upload the document to the 802.18 section of IEEE Mentor.
  31. The Chair recessed the meeting was 6:52 PM CST until Thursday January 31, 2013.

Thursday, January 31, 2013

  1. The Chair called the meeting to order at 5:06 PM CST.
  2. The Vice Chair asked attendees to email the Chair and Vice Chair their name and affiliation to establish attendance.
  3. The Vice Chair verified that a quorum was on the call.
  4. The Chair summarized the IEEE 802 patent policy.
  5. The review started with document 18-13/4r10, with no text updates sent in since the last meeting.
  6. Richard Kennedy reported that 802.11 Standing Committee met earlier in the day to discuss these comments. Peter Ecclesine has brought inputs from that call.
  7. Peter Ecclesine reported that 802.11reviewed and is okay with the text forparagraphs25 – 29 that were changed during the last call. John Notor made the proposed changes and accepted the changes.
  8. We went back to the beginning and worked down, starting with accepting changes from the top.
  9. Some questions on what was paragraph 7 about small cell can multiple wireless capacity, and it was okay by all to delete.
  10. There was some discussion on the next few paragraphs, and few minor modifications were made and then we accepted all changes.
  11. Peter Ecclesine commented that paragraph 7 of the NPRM talks to the 3 tiers, which supported the update to the last paragraph of the introduction on the use of cognitive devices.
  12. The next section on IEEE 802 Supports Spectrum Sharing was deleted on last call; all were okay to accept the deletion.
  1. Edits from last time on the section title about Earth Stations was accepted.
  2. Paul Ecclesine asks if our response on protection of the FSS below 3700 needs more rigorous analysis, is answering what the NPRM is asking? Peter explained about the wide front ends of the FSS stations need to be understood and analysed considering today’s environment. Originally the exclusion zones were done with flat earth thinking and were very wasteful in geographic protection. Edits were accepted.
  3. Paul Nikolich asked where the 20 years of experience came from; it is from the example (which was clarified). This is the link to Teleport that is in the comments.
  4. Ken asked if the IEEE should tell someone else to fix their system. What we want to show is how some of the sites are setup today. Apruva had a question on the primary and secondary users and that was explained satisfactorily
  5. The next couple of paragraphs deleted last time was accepted to be deleted.
  6. Ken asked about why we don’t mention about IEEE does have white space technology, and it is assumed the FCC and readers will know.
  7. In the section with the title starting with IEEE 802 supports the use of novel interference mitigation, we accepted to delete the first paragraphs. Apurva Mody wanted to save a few comments on the Advanced Beaconing capabilities and they were moved to the next section. .
  8. Then basically this section was removed.
  9. On to the section on Spectrum Efficiency.
  10. Ken brings up the OMB has introduced a score card on spectrum efficiency.
  11. Worked through the paragraph and clarified some of the language, per Apurva Mody, Ken, Peter Ecclesine, John Notor and Mike Lynch.
  12. Section was accepted with the clarifications.
  13. On to the section on Light Licensing rules and it was accepted per edits on the last call.
  14. Then we accepted deleting the next two sections, creating exclusion zones, and radio technologies that can make use of the spectrum.
  15. The conclusion had some discussion and Paul Nikolich asked if the first two paragraphs were useful. The feedback was we need to show our appreciation. Apruva noticed we need to address the FCC and not PCAST like at the top.
  16. Some discussion on how we do the editorial clean-up and the chair has that right, as long as no content changes.
  17. John went off line and did the renumbering and some cleanup,then came back online for our final review.
  18. Paul brought up on the last paragraph that IEEE develops standards, not technologies. All were okay with that.
  19. Apruva in first paragprh in the conclusion, that the IEEE endorses the FCC NPRM, all were okay with that.

Motion: To approve 18-13/4r11 for submission to the EC for an EC 10 day email ballot to forward to the FCC. The Chair of the RR-TAG is authorized to make editorial changes as necessary.

Move by:John Notor

Second by:Apurva Mody

Discussion: none

Vote: 5 Yes 0 No 1 Abstain

Motion: Passed

  1. Had a discussion if the call setup for next week, 07 February, 2013, was needed. All agreed the call was not needed, so it was cancelled.
  2. Meeting was adourned 6:38pm CST.

Meeting Attendance:

Name / Affiliation / Email Address
Voters
Michael Lynch / MJ Lynch Associates, LLC /
John Notor / Silver Spring Networks, Notor Research /
Vijay Auluck / Intel /
Paul Nikolich / Self, YAS BBF LLC, Intel, Samsung, Silver Spring Networks /
Peter Ecclesine / Cisco /
Richard Kennedy / Research in Motion /
Jay Holcomb / Itron /
Apurva Mody / BAE Systems /
Roger Marks / Consensii /
Bruce Kraemer / Marvell /
Others
Pat Thayer / Broadcom /
Fanny Mlinarsky / Octoscope /
Dan Lubar / Relay Services /
Ben Rolfe / Blind Creek Associates /
Ken Carrigan / Naval Surface Warfare Center / Unknown
Ron Porat / Broadcom /

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