Materials Testing Laboratories

MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIES

OCTOBER 2012

CONFIRMED MINUTES

CONFIRMED MINUTES

OCTOBER 22 – 25, 2012

OMNI WILLIAM PENN HOTEL

PITTSBURGH, PENNSLYVANIA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2012 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2012

1.0  OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED

This presentation contains the information reviewed in the meeting and follows the order of the rest of the minutes presented here.

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Materials Testing Laboratories Task Group (MTLTG) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 22-Oct-12.

Quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME / COMPANY NAME
* / Muriel / Auzanne / Airbus
Fran / Azzarto / GE Aviation
Valdemir / Campos / Embraer
Robert / Clark / Eaton Aerospace
* / Linda / Cook / Rolls-Royce
* / Georges / Coste / SAFRAN Group
* / Doug / Deaton / GE Aviation
* / George / Doviak / Goodrich (UTAS)
* / Kevin / Elston / Spirit AeroSystems, Inc.
* / John / Haddock / BAE Systems Air & Information (MAI)
* / John / Knie / The Boeing Company
* / Frank / Lennert / The Boeing Company
Adrien / Maffre / Airbus
Jennifer / McKeegan / Cessna Aircraft Company
* / Olivier / Molinas / Eurocopter
* / Tim / Myers / Honeywell Aerospace / Chairperson
Burcu / Okur Duransoy / GE Aviation
* / Amanda / Rickman / Raytheon Co. / Vice Chairperson
Secretary
* / Christian / Schwaminger / MTU Aero Engines GmbH
Henry / Sikorski / UTC - Pratt & Whitney
* / Neil / Tinsley / UTC - Pratt & Whitney
* / Verl / Wisehart / Rolls-Royce
HuiQing / Zhang / COMAC

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME / COMPANY NAME
* / Siobhan / Alekna / SPS Technologies
Vincent / Antonypillai / Lisi Aerospace Canada
Francois / Barbaza / ECCI
Pierre / Barbaza / ECCI
Paula / Bartlett / Sulzer Metco (Canada), Inc.
* / Corwyn / Berger / Exova, Inc. Chicago
* / Mary Lee / Bogensperger / PCC Airfoils
Mike / Brandt / Alcoa, Inc.
Richard / Brazil / Alcoa, Inc.
* / Wayne / Brege / Cannon Muskegon Corp.
* / Philip / Bretz / Metcut Research Associates, Inc.
Massimo / Capriolo / Bytest SRL
Jean-Francois / Chevalier / Lisi Aerospace
* / John / Chir / Latrobe Specialty Steel Company
Julien / Corato / Exova, Inc.
Mark / Crevier / Morton Manufacturing
* / Deena / Crossmore / IMR Test Labs
Becky / DeGutis / SAE International
Lee / Dilks / Laboratory Testing, Inc.
* / Eric / Dirats / Dirats Laboratories
* / Bryan / Engel / Esco Turbine Technologies-Syracuse
Thomas / Evanko / TCT Stainless Steel, Inc.
Dawn / Fechtel / Metaltest, Inc.
* / Kay / Fisher / Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co. KG
Richard / Gasset / Lisi Aerospace
Scott / Gates / Element Wixom
Daniel / Geist / ARMI
* / Brian / Griffin / Howmet Research Corp.
Ergin / Gungor / TEI
* / Bryan / Hall / NSL Analytical Services, Inc.
Alan / Hambley / Durkee Testing Laboratories
Jim / Harlukowicz / Element Charlotte
Kevin / Hineman / ATI Allegheny Ludlum
Jud / Holl / Element Materials Technology Newtown
Raymond / Hozempa / Yankee Casting Co., Inc.
Daniel / Hunt / Haynes International
Kayoko / Inata / Kiguchi Technics, Inc.
Steve / Keck / Carpenter Technology Corporation
Dennis / Kidd / Cincinnati Testing Labs, Inc.
Jim / Kiely / Titanium Metals
Natalie / Koon / Haynes International
Wayne / Langley / Metaltest, Inc.
Sylvie / Lefebvre Addison / Lisi Aerospace
Greg / Lobosky / Element Materials Technology Newtown
* / David / Luoni / Element Materials Technology Newtown
Giuseppe / Marzano / Haley Ind.
Olga / McDonald / Sherry Laboratories LLC
Brandon / McVaugh / Laboratory Testing, Inc.
Subramanya / Naglapura / S.S. White Technologies, Inc.
Christine / Nesbitt / TIMET Corporation
* / Amy / Neugebauer / Element Cincinnati
Tesuya / Nishimura / Kiguchi Technics, Inc.
Bob / Olevson / Element Huntington Beach
* / Frank / Peszka / Laboratory Testing, Inc.
Brett / Pichla / TCT Stainless Steel, Inc.
* / Len / Radys / Atlas Testing Laboratories
Sara / Randall / M&P Labs
Ben / Ransom / RTI Int’l Metals Inc., Tradco, Inc.
James / Rauckhorst / Tensile Testing Metallurgical Lab
Douglas / Reed / Special Metals Corporation
Daniel / Reeves / CPP Corp.
Brian / Reynolds / Alcoa, Inc.
Mark / Richeson / Haynes International
* / Jim / Rossi / Westmoreland Mechanical Testing
Earl / Ruth / Tinius Olsen
* / Dave / Serbousek / Olympic Scientific, Inc.
Derek / Sicotte / Dirats Laboratories
John / Sieber / NIST
Glenn / Sime / Intertek
* / Byron / Skillings / ATI Ladish Forging
Suzanne / Smatko / Wyman Gordon Pennsylvania
* / Harvey / Smith / IncoTest
Jeffry / Smith / Element Cleveland
Michael / Snyder / Special Metals Corporation
Howard / Spader / Instron
Dorota / Stankiewicz / Russell Plastics Technology Co., Inc.
Shirley / Strickland / M&P Labs
Tsunao / Tezuka / IHI Corporation
John / Thomas / Timet
* / T. Rao / Tipirneni / Long Island Testing Labs, Inc.
* / Jennifer / Tret / Sherry Laboratories
Natia / Turmanidze / Lisi Aerospace
Jeff / Viney / Metcut Research
* / Kevin / VonScio / Perryman Company
Bryon / White / Crane Aerospace & Electronics
* / Margaret / Willis / Allvac Monroe
Frank / Worpenberg / Element Cincinnati
* / Jason / Wright / Metals Technology, Inc.
Emre / Yavuz / TEI
Jon / Zook / 3M

PRI Staff Present

Jim / Borczyk
Robert / Hoeth
Jim / Lewis
Joe / Pinto
Kevin / Wetzel

1.2 It was verified that only Subscriber Members were in attendance for the “Closed” portion

1.3 Introductions – All in attendance were asked to state name, company and voting status

1.4 Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct was reviewed with the attendees

1.5 Review Agenda

2.0 SUCCESSION PLAN (NEED VICE-CHAIRPERSON) – CLOSED

This was decided in the closed meeting. (See Section 42.0)

3.0 AUDIT REPORT REVIWER DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSED

All current delegated reviewers (Kevin Wetzel, Jim Lewis, and Jim Stokes) continue to meet the requirements defined in NOP-003. No change was made to the delegation status.

PRI Staff Engineers Bob Lizewski and Rob Hoeth are reviewing MTL audits as non-delegated audit report reviewers. Audits assigned to these audit report reviewers will need to be reviewed by a quorum of the subscriber voting members prior to accreditation. They will be eligible for consideration for delegated status at the February 2013 meeting based on the one year rule.

Accepted vs. Closed on the NCR’s – If Kevin lists ‘accepted’, he wants further review by the Task Group. Non-delegated reviewers are required to preliminarily accept and only close once concurrence from a quorum of the Task Group is achieved.

4.0 AUDITOR EVALUATIONS / SUPPLIER FEEDBACK / AUDIT OBSERVATIONS– CLOSED

The MTLTG reviewed data supplied concerning Auditor Evaluations that are completed by the Audit Report Reviewer and the Supplier Feedback that are completed by the Supplier. Auditor portion of the Dashboard on eAuditNet was reviewed.

Subscriber Audit Observation Reports were reviewed and discussed. NOP-007 was reviewed as this procedure describes the process for scheduling and participation for an audit observation.

5.0 OPEN MEETING BEGINS – OPEN

Welcome

6.0 OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN

Establish quorum & Introductions

Antitrust and Code of Ethics Video

Agenda review

Meeting Conduct/Rules on the Pink Sheets

6.5 Approval of the June 2012 Minutes

The minutes of the June 2012 meeting held in Berlin, Germany were accepted as written.

6.6 Meeting Conduct

Tim Myers explained parliamentary procedure.

7.0 Nadcap TUTORIAL – OPEN

The MTLTG reviewed a presentation given by Kevin Wetzel regarding the Nadcap/MTL Policies and Procedures.

In addition to Kevin Wetzel and Jim Lewis listed as Staff Engineers, Rob Hoeth and Bob Lizewski are now non-delegated Staff Engineers for MTL.

Next meetings:

February 18-22, 2013 Dallas, TX USA

June 3-7, 2013 Paris, France

October 2013 Pittsburgh, PA USA

8.0 VOTING AND MOTION CONTROL PROCESS – OPEN

Issues from Berlin Meeting:

- When is a subscriber only vote appropriate for MTL?

- How are tie votes resolved?

- When a motion is defeated and a counter motion is made, should there be a ‘deliberation’ period following discussion?

It is up to the Judgment of the chair if votes should be limited to the all Voting Members or Subscriber Voting Members only.

When is a subscriber only vote appropriate for MTL?

Tim Myers made a motion to designate:

- All accreditation requirements and other matters of accreditation as Subscriber only votes.

- All other matters of Audit Criteria to be open voting by all Voting Members in attendance at time the vote is called. Unless otherwise determined by the Chair as being detrimental to the program.

Motion seconded.

Jason Wright made a motion to defer Tim’s previous motion. Motion seconded. Motion passed. (Opposed 4 votes)

ACTION ITEM: Tim Myers to reword his deferred motion more clearly for the Dallas meeting.

(DUE DATE: 18-FEB-13)

How are tie votes resolved?

Tim Myers made a motion to designate:

- All Subscriber only votes broken by vote of the Chair.

- All other voting shall have ties broken by the majority of Subscriber votes (if a tie still exists, it’s broken by the Chair.)

- Chair always votes last and only when needed to decide a vote.

Eric Dirats made a motion to amend Tim Myers’ motion by removing the word ‘Subscriber’ from the second bullet. Motion seconded.

Eric Dirats withdrew his motion amendment.

George Doviak made a motion to vote on Tim Myers’ proposed motion to break ties. Motion Seconded. (Yes--33, No--14, Abstain--8). Motion passed.

When a motion is defeated and a counter motion is made, should there be a ‘deliberation’ period following discussion?

Tim Myers made a motion to allow a “motion to postpone the vote” without requiring a second or vote for postponement. This allows anyone deliberation time by moving to postpone until a specified date/time. Motion to postpone is only debatable for date/time to resume main motion. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

9.0 NEW VOTING MEMBERS – OPEN

Jennifer Tret of Sherry Laboratories was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. No objections. Jennifer Tret is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.

Siobhan Alekna of SPS Technologies was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. No objections. Siobhan Alekna is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.

Harvey Smith of Inco Test was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. No objections. Harvey Smith is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.

An m-frm-01 was completed for all new voting members.

10.0 FEEDBACK FROM BERLIN MEETING – OPEN

Specific feedback from the Berlin meeting was presented including concerns on the resolution of round robin and proficiency testing issues and delayed RAIL item closure. The overall meeting facilitation improvements were well received.

11.0 PT PROGRAM APPROVAL PROCESS SUB-TEAM REPORT – OPEN

Muriel Auzanne presented sub-team status and recommendation.

Linda Cook made a motion to accept the revision to NTGOP-001 as written. Motion seconded.

Frank Lennert made a motion to amend the previous motion to read “to accept the sub-team proposal to be included in the revision of NTGOP-001”. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Reworded motion:

Linda Cook made a motion to accept the sub-team proposal to be included in the revision of NTGOP-001. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

12.0 SUB-TEAM REPORT ON MTL/CT CHECKLIST COMPARISION – OPEN

Jennifer Tret presented the sub-team’s status. The sub-team will continue to review AC7109/5 and AC7101/4 to see where commonality can be incorporated.

13.0 SUB-TEAM REPORT ON AUDITOR STAFFING PROCESS – OPEN

Kevin Wetzel presented the sub-team’s status. The team proposed a change to the a-frm-04MTL to let the auditor candidates rate their experience 0-5 on each test technique.

Frank Lennert made a motion to accept the revised a-frm-04MTL presented by the sub-team. Motion seconded.

Eric Dirats made a motion to amend Frank’s motion to read “to approve the revised a-frm-04MTL by the sub-team and direct it be used for staffing of auditors.” Motion seconded. Motion passed.

Reworded motion:

Frank Lennert made a motion to approve the revised a-frm-04MTL by the sub-team and direct it be used for staffing of auditors. Motion seconded. Motion passed.

14.0 SUB-TEAM REPORT ON HANDBOOK – OPEN

Tim Myers’ presented the sub-team’s status. Work will progress on the Audit Handbook during this meeting. The goal is for the Audit Handbook to be ready for release at the conclusion of the week.

15.0 NOP-002 PARAGRAPH 3.3 PRESENTATION – OPEN

The vision requirements of NOP-002 were discussed as well as NMC’s intent of each of the subsections of 3.3.

16.0 SUB-TEAM REPORT ON NOP-002 PARAGRAPH 3.3 – OPEN

Mike Brandt presented the sub-team’s review of AC7101/5.