November, 1999 IEEE P802.15-99128r0
IEEE P802.15
Wireless Personal Area Networks
Project / IEEE P802.15 Working Group for Wireless Personal Area Networks (WPANs)Title / SG Coexistence Tentative Meeting Minutes
Date Submitted / [11 November, 1999]
Source / [Kurt Fischer]
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Abstract / [Second Meeting Minutes for SG on Coexistence]
Purpose / [Tentative Meeting Minutes]
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November 9, 1999
Hyatt Regency Kauai
1571 Poipu Road
Koloa, HI 96756
Meeting called to order by Steve Shellhammer, Chairman at 1:00 p.m.
1. Reviewed today’s agenda and objectives 99/107r1
Motion to approve agenda
1st Kevin Marquess
2nd Ivan Reede
Approved with no objections
SG Monday Report to WG – Shellhammer 99121r0
2. Overview of the SG - Submission IEEE 802.15-99/088r2 by Steve Shellhammer
Q: Should jitter be a concern? A: Yes (Shellhammer)
Request for submission on the four aspects of the coexistence models at the next interim meeting in Israel.
AP#1: Thomas Baker - Coexistence in BT for 2.0 – Plan for Coordination with SG.
3. Overview of TG Charter IEEE 802.15-99/119r0
Jim Allen, Kodak has information that would be helpful for a performance degradation profile
Q: Why not make the group a TAG? A: Group may become fragmented (Steve Shellhammer)
4. Should 802.11 have voting rights on 802.15 issues?
802.15 Charter is to address coexistence – only how we go about it is debatable.
Discussion
Should the Coexistence Group remain as part of 802.15?
Yes: 21_ No: 4_ Abstain: 9
Reason for No Vote:
Recommends a joint task group.
Would like to keep voting rights in both groups.
Passed
5. Discussion on the following:
Should the Coexistence Group become a TAG?
Should Coexistence Group become a joint Task Group?
Idea: If one attends the Coexistence Group then one can get 802.11 attendance credit.
6. Ivan Reede called the question. None objected.
Question: Should the Coexistence Group become a TAG?
Vote:
Yes: _3__ No: _21_ Abstain: _11_
Denied
7. Ivan Reede called the question:
If one attends the Coexistence Group should one receive 802.11 and 802.15 attendance credit?
Vote:
Yes: _31__ No: _0_ Abstain: _2_
8. Call for proposals on how to make things work better together.
Adjourn for 20 minutes
9. Presentation:
PHY model questions and concerns. Number for this submission will be assigned.
Idea to have a web based information database. Ian Gifford will be asked if this is doable. (Kevin Marquess)
Adjourned until tomorrow
November 10, 1999
Meeting resumed at 10:40 a.m.
10. Presentations by David Cypher, NIST
Coexistence, Interoperability, etc.
Problem: our SG definition of coexistence does not require our 802.15 device to operate or perform a task while it is collocated.
Presentation on 802.15-99/114
Presentation on 802.15-99/134
Presentation on 802.15-99/117
11. AP #2: Why did BT SIG determine that 10 was the maximum number of BT piconets in one scatternet?
Meeting adjourned at 12:00
11/11/1999
Meeting resumed at 10:40 a.m.
12. Continuation of discussion on MAC coexistence model (David Cypher)
13. Steve Shellhammer presented list of action points (99141r0) and requested volunteers.
Meeting adjourned at 12:10.
11/9/1999 Attendance List (35):
Jim Allen
Khaled Amer
Rick Alfvin
Yunxin Li
Mike McInnis
Erwin Noble
Dimitri Alexandron
Edul Batliwala
Anand Prasad
Juergen Kochmann
Thomas Baker
Steve Torp
Chatschik Bisdikian
Steve Shellhammer
Kurt Fischer
Ivan Reede Reede
David Cypher
Bob Heile
Tom Siep
Fujio Watanabe
Akira Miura
Kevin Marquess
John Paul Jones
Richard Wilson
Caldwell Crosswy
William Bailey
Michael Paczonay
Tim Blaney
Victor Bahl
Jan Boer
Edul Batliwala
Mathew Sherman
Masaki Hoshina
Wen Chiang Chen
Karlheinz Schwarz
11/10/99 Additions (8):
Ivan Reede
Tudor Cooklev
Ian Gifford
Richard Wilson
Akira Miura
Rajesh Jarang
Allen Heberling
Richard Eckard
11/11/1999 Additions (6):
Bruce Kraemer
Tudor Cooklev
Bob Heile
Akira Miura
Anand Prasad
Rick Alfvin
Santa Rosa Attendance List (19):
Mike McInnis
Dimitri Alexandron
Chatschik Bisdikian
Steve Shellhammer
Kurt Fischer
David Cypher
Bob Heile
Tom Siep
Fujio Watanabe
Kevin Marquess
Richard Wilson
Caldwell Crosswy
Michael Paczonay
Ian Gifford
Rajesh Jarang
Allen Heberling
Richard Eckard
Nada Golmie
Dan McGlynn
Submission Page XXX Kurt Fischer, Hyper Corporation