STATE OF CA-DEPT OF GENERAL SERVICES
Host: Susan Moe
April 12, 2018/9:30 a.m. PDT
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STATE OF CA-DEPT OF GENERAL SERVICES: Access Code Stakeholder Forum #2
April 12, 2018/9:30 a.m. PDT
SPEAKERS
Ida Claire
Susan Moe
Debbie Wong
Jessica Axtman
Derek Shaw
Dennis Corelis
Melissa Barton
Mark Smith
John Paul Scott
David Bates
Ken
Ariana Jordan
Dawn Anderson
Erica McCaffrey
Natasha Reyes
Pat Swee
Bob Raymer
Ashley Pitts
Jasper Kirsch
Kaylan Dunlap
Tim Thimesch
Sam Kennedy
Stoyan Bumbalov
PRESENTATION
Not all speakers could be heard clearly on the speakerphone. Participants in the regional offices were particularly difficult to hear. Some background noise made transcription difficult in some places.
ModeratorLadies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Access Code Stakeholder Forum #2 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a question and answer period. Instructions will be given at that time. [Operator instructions]. Also, as a reminder, today’s conference call is being recorded.
I would now like to turn the conference to your host, Ida Claire. Please go ahead.
Ida[Audio disruption] All of those of you who are on the phone. All of those of you who are attending at the regional office and here in Sacramento. I do want to remind you that a transcript of today’s meeting will be available online in approximately two weeks. [Indiscernible] regarding today’s meeting and the comments. We’re also videotaping this meeting here at the headquarters office.
Just a couple notes. We will be taking one break today. It will be a lunch break for approximately an hour and a half. That is scheduled at approximately noon. We’ll see, along with timing, it will be sometime around there.
With regard to the regulations, we have made proposed changes to the amendments based on the last stakeholder meeting that was held February 22nd and also our access code collaborative meeting that was held in March. I’m trying to remember the date, but I can’t.
But, we do have another access code collaborative meeting on the 26th to discuss changes on the proposed rules based on the comments we receive today. We do want to remind you that our access code collaborative is a representative group of 13 stakeholders that meet regularly through our code development to discuss the amendments in a more intimate and detailed setting with representative stakeholders before they actually even go out to the public for further comment.
Information on our access code collaborative is on our website, our DSA website. That’s If in the search bar you put in ACC you will get to our access code collaborate webpage.
Again, a reminder that if you’re interested in participating on our access code collaborative, there is an application process that is ongoing. Once you submit an application, you are eligible to be considered for placement on the ACC when there is member turnover, so we encourage you to apply. We also encourage you to reach out and identify who your representative stakeholder is or your representative constituency. They also are encouraged to solicit and receivecomments on the proposed amendments. Of course, you can also send those comments directly to DSA.
So, a little bit about the schedule moving forward. Today is our second and last scheduled public stakeholder meeting. Our proposed rules and amendments are scheduled to go to the Building Standards Commission by the end of May. They will be reviewed in front of the Building Standards Commission Code Advisory Committee meeting in August. To review information about the BSC rulemaking process and when their Code Advisory Committee Meetings are scheduled, DSA will notify you throughout our access stakeholder Listserv.
If you have received meeting notice regarding this meeting, you will likely receive obviously that meeting notice when BSC holds its meetings, however, you can also register with the Building Standards Commission to receive notices regarding rulemakings directly from the Building Standards Commission. How you would sign on to their Listserve is If you go to the contact us page on the BSC website, you can subscribe as well to their Listserve.
Formal rulemaking begins in September. You be notified when there is the formal 45-day comment period on our proposed access regulations. You do have the opportunity to submit written comments at that time. There is a DSA approval period in December where the proposed rules and amendments will be considered for adoption. You can comment in person at the BSC Code Advisory Committee meeting, at the adoption meeting, and again as I have just stated, in written format any time, and also during the formal 45-day comment period.
You can submit any written comments that you’d like as well to . That is the email for the DSA access 2019 rulemaking.
So, a little bit of a reminder today. We have many amendments to cover. The last meeting that we had that was a public forum, we used up the entire time, 9:30 to 4:30. So, because it’s very important that we get through all the amendments and present them all today for comment, I remind you to keep your comments brief and directly related to the proposed rule or amendment so that all who wish to have an opportunity to comment may comment.
I invite you to be respectful of other’s comments and avoid sidebar conversations. I will try to keep the meeting on track, so I may interrupt you politely to ask you to wrap up your comment or to remind you to keep your comments relevant to the proposed rule so that the meeting can move forward and everyone has an opportunity to participate.
We will first take comments here within the room. We will then proceed to the regional offices to receive comments, and this is with each rule that’s proposed or each amendment that’s proposed for change. Then, we will go to the phone. The operator, who is Anna, will give you instructions on how to participate and get into queue for comment. Other than that—
SusanIf you want to make a comment, state your name.
IdaThank you, Sue. Sue has reminded me to remind those who also are commenting whether it’s in the room, at the regional offices, or on the phone that you state your name prior to your comments, so that the transcript can adequately reflect who is commenting.
Before we get started—
DerekDo you want to do introductions?
IdaThat’s what I was going to right now. Before we get started, I’ve already introduced myself. I’d like to introduce the staff here at DSA. Sue, would you like to start.
SusanSusan Moe, senior architect here at DSA.
Debbie Good morning. Debbie Wong, senior architect.
Jessica Jessica Axtman, analyst for DSA.
DerekDerek Shaw, senior architect at DSA.
IdaFor those who are participating and joining us today.
Dennis I’m Dennis Corelis, retired senior architect.
IdaYou were a principal architect.
Dennis Principal architect. That’s right.
MelissaGood morning. I’m Melissa Barton with AIA California Council.
IdaThank you. At the regional offices, let’s start with Oakland.
M [Audio disruption]architect with the City of San Francisco,
JohnJohn Paul Scott, City of San Francisco, Department of Public Works,representing myself.
MarkMark Smith, senior architect, DSA Oakland
IdaThank you. San Diego. No one’s in San Diego. Los Angeles.
DavidDavid Bates [ph]. I’m with [Indiscernible] Architecture
IdaThank you.
Ken I’m Ken [Indiscernible] facilities access supply manager for Los Angeles Unified School District.
IdaThank you. Who am I missing? I’m missing one more office. No, I’m not. That’s Sacramento, which is here.
So, just to remind all of you, we can hear all comments, so your phones on silent and keep sidebar conversations, if at all possible, to a minimum. At the regional office, if it’s only the two of you, you have the opportunity to mute if you need to see, however, be mindful that we do want to hear your comments, so turn that back on.
DerekAny introductions on the phone?
IdaOh, yes. Thank you for reminding me, Derek. I apologize for being neglectful to those on the phone. Anna, can you let the individuals on the phone introduce themselves, please?
ModeratorCertainly. [Operator instructions].
IdaIf at all possible you’re welcome to announce yourself on the phone.
SusanMaybe it’s better because we can see the names of everybody on the call.
IdaWould you like to read their names?
SusanThat might be a better way to do it. So, on the call we have Ariana Jordan [ph], Dawn Anderson, Erica McCaffrey [ph], Natasha Reyes, Pat Swee [ph], Bob Raymer, Ashley Pitts [ph], Jasper Kirsch [ph], Kaylan Dunlap, and Tim Thimesch.
For everybody in the room, we have a comment from the moderator. Be sure that you speak up. We turned the volume up as high as possible on the phone, but be sure you really speak up when you make your comments.
IdaThank you for that. Alright. So, without further ado, we’ll get started. Derek, you’re first.
DerekYes. If we need to, Sue, would it be helpful to relocate some of these remote microphones? Maybe bring that one forward?
SusanYes.
DerekGood morning. My name is Derek Shaw, and I’m going to be presenting the first group of proposed code changes that are in development right now in DSA. So, the first one we’re going to address is regarding adult changing facilities. This item is on page 37 of 68 in your meeting document package. This item is—I’ll just do a brief presentation, and mostly we’re most interested in hearing your comments that you may have on this item.
This item, a little bit of background, this item is being developed by the Division of the State Architect in response to a bill that was passed, Assembly Bill 662 of the 2015 session in California legislature. What this does is it requires adult changing facilities within commercial places of public amusement. Now, a commercial place of public amusement is, as we see here in the draft definition, an auditorium, convention center, cultural complex, exhibition hall, permanent amusement park, sports arena, or theater or movie house for which the maximum occupancy is determined to be 2,500 or more people.
Examples of cultural complexes include but are not limited to art galleries, symphonies, concert halls, and museums. A commercial place of public amusement does not include any public or private higher education facility or district agricultural association. We also have a definition for district agricultural associations and a definition for the term adult changing facility.
With this, what we have is briefly, we have scoping which is going to require the adult changing facility at newly constructed commercial places of public amusement. It’s mandatory to provide a public adult changing facility, and then where a facility chooses or elects to install an adult changing facility, even absent the new construction scoping, then those adult changing facility are also required to comply with our technical requirements in Section 11B-813.
Now, I’ll move over to the second page of that item, and here we’re addressing the technical requirements for adult changing facilities. These are required to be located within an enclosed unisex toilet room or other similar private room. There are a number of mandatory features that we drafted that would apply to the adult changing facility.
The first feature that would be required to be provided would be an adult changing table. It has to be fixed to the floor or wall, and the size is requiring a minimum changing surface size of 70 inches minimum by 30 inches minimum in width. There’s clearance required around the adult changing table, and that’s 36 inches minimum of side clearance, along the entire length of one side of the adult changing table, and at both ends, clearance is required that would measure 36 inches minimum in width and a minimum length as long as the table width plus the width of the side clearance. So, that’s 36 inches wide and then as—I’m sorry, 36 inches deep and as wide as the table and its associated side clearance.
The height of the adult changing table must be adjustable from 17 inches above the floor or ground to 38 inches above the floor or ground, and the height adjustability is required to be powered. Any operable parts are required to comply with Section 11B-309.
The minimum weight capacity of 300 pounds is required, and regarding obstructions, when the changing table is deployed, it can’t obstruct the required width of an accessible route except as allowed by Section 11B-307.2.
There are a few other items that are going to be required within the adult changing facility, within the room. We’regoing to require a water closet. That would be an accessible water closet in compliance with Section 11B-604. A lavatory, that’s a hand washing fixture like a sink, and one lavatory will be required, and that would need to comply with accessibility requirements in 11B-606.
We would also require a waste receptacle, coat hooks. No fewer than one coat hook shall be provided in close proximity to the changing table. A shelf is also required, no fewer than one shelf shall be provided in close proximity to the changing table, and then where accessories are provided, no fewer than one of each accessory shall comply with Section 11B-603.5.
A turning space will be required within the room, and overlap is addressed here in the technical requirements. It says required clear floor spaces, clearance of fixtures, and the turn space shall be permitted to overlap.
We go on to say that for the door swing, the door shall not swing into the clear floor space or clearance required for any fixture. The door to the adult changing facility is required to have a privacy latch, and there will be signs required associated with the adult changing facility. A room identification sign complying with Section 11B-216 shall be provided in entrances to adult changing facilities. The text of the room identification sign shall be the words adult changing facility, and if the commercial place of public amusement has a central directory, the central directory shall indicate the location of adult changing facilities.
With that, what I’d like to do is open up the floor to receive comments on this item. First, I’ll go here to the room where I’m presenting here in Sacramento headquarters office for DSA. Are there any questions or comment on this item? Dennis.
DennisThis is Dennis Corelis. Derek, I was at a couple of the forums where this was developed, so we’ve basically discounted the lift option in the ceiling. That was not—
DerekThe lift option is not included with this draft.
DennisGot it. I understand. Then, I have another quick question. On the shelf, do you think there should be any guidance as to a minimum size and length of the shelf? I don’t know. If you get some passive aggressive little thing that—what are youtrying to put on the shelf? Did we get any feedback on what that’s for? Supplies, or—
DerekIt would be for personal supplies that the individual who needs the facility or their attendants or companions, maybethey would put supplies on this shelf, but we’ll take your question about the minimum size.
DennisThank you.
DerekThanks, Dennis. Any other questions or comments here in the room? Seeing none. Let’s go to Oakland. Any questions or comments on this item?
Mark Yes, Mark Smith [ph]. [Indiscernible]provision[Indiscernible] anything about [Indiscernible] single-user toilet rooms where you can actually overlap into the floor space overlapping into the clear floor space wheelchair space outside the door swing. How does that work with the door swing requirements here? Does that still apply?
DerekThe more explicit language that we have here in the draft Section 11B-813.2.10 tells us the door shall not swing into the clear floor space or clearance required for any fixtures, so that would set aside the other allowance.
MarkOkay. Thank you.
DerekThank you. Any other questions or comments from Oakland? No?
JohnJohnPaul Scott here.
DerekGo ahead, John.
JohnI [Indiscernible] some of these [Indiscernible] what I [Indiscernible] in the last meeting, so please forgive me. In 11B-813.2.1.3, I would recommend that the adult changing table height be revised to say top of the adult changing table so that we’re really clear that’s where we’re measuring to is the top. Some of these also have a curvature and possibly we’re installingbaby changing units for measuring for that edge or curve rather than the slope at the bottom of the changing table.
The second one is on capacity. We recommend that you use similar language that is used on benches and other things of that sort where [Indiscernible] forces either lateral or vertical and anywhere on the device. Right now this doesn’t say where you apply that force because it’s one thing to apply that [audio disruption] in the second l [Indiscernible] would be to apply it on the outside edge of the adult changing table.
Another item is that would this require the geometric signs on the door? Is there some tieback to signage, or did I miss that?