FLUIDS

MARCH 2009

UNCONFIRMED MINUTES

MARCH 16, 2009

SHERATON SUITES TAMPA AIRPORT

TAMPA, FL 33607 USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, MARCH 16, 2009

1.0OPENING COMMENTS (CLOSED)

1.1Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Fluids Task Group was called to order at 9:00 a.m., March 16, 2009

It was verified that only USER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

User Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME / COMPANY NAME
Keith / Allen / Rolls-Royce plc
James / Barnett / Rolls- Royce Corp.
* / Joe / Bebey / The Boeing Company
Ron / Clements / The Boeing Company
Perry / Freeman / The Boeing Company
David / Griffin / Boeing Commercial
Kevin / Heck / Lockheed Martin
* / Mike / King / Northrop Grumman
* / Erwin / Oman / Bombardier
* / Gene / Ott / DSCC
* / Robert / Schreiber / The Boeing Company / Chairperson
Mark / Scott / The Boeing Company
* / Dan / Smith / GE Aviation

Other Members/ParticipantsPresent (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME / COMPANY NAME
Doug / Bakken / Fatigue Technologies
Ray / Bitting / Wyman Gordon / PCC.
John / Brittan / Eaton Corporation
Earnest / Brown / DSCC
Bryan / Caton / Parker
Ken / Chang / AdelWiggins
* / Roger / Christianson / Hydraflow
Jeff / Deadler / Alcoa Fastening Systems
May / Danhash / Designed Metal Connections
Roger / Duty / Eaton Corporation
Duane / Falk / Parker - Stratoflex
Ricardo / Foster / National Utilities Company
Carlos / Garfias / Airdrome
Dale / Gordon / Aerofit Inc.
Allen / Hoube / Parker - Stratoflex
James / Hudlet / Jetseal
Joseph / Klamar / National Utilities Company
Steve / MacDonald / Designed Metal Connections
Richard / McCann / Kirkhill-TA Company
Kevin / Metcalf / Nelson AeroSpace
Mansoor / Motavvef / Kirkhill-TA Company
Dan / Munley / Eaton Corporation
Ky / Nguyen / AdelWiggins
Patel / Nilesh / Shur-Lok
Mike / Paveglio / Smiths Tubular Systems
Bill / Perea / Atlas Specialty
Leo / Perez / Allan Aircraft Supply Co.
Bret / Pio / California Technical Plating
Tabassum / Qureshi / Kirkhill-TA Company
Clayton / Ramclam / PAMCO
Tim / Rusk / B&E Manufacturing
Mark / Scatoloni / Faber Emprises Inc.
* / Michael / Schleckman / Voss
John / Smith / Sandvik Special Metals
Larry / Solinger / B&E Manufacturing
* / Ron / Spencer / Faber Enterprises Inc.
Joe / Stanek / Wyman Gordon
Dick / Tomsic / Voss
Phillip / Wade / Smiths Tubular Systems
Wayne / Wilson / NMC Aerospace

PRI Staff Present

Keith / Purnell

Ken Lefebvre Auditor

2.0AUDITOR TRAINING (CLOSED)

Auditor training will be conducted the week of October 19 in Pittsburgh, PA. The training outline was reviewed and the following additions were requested:

Review of most recent changes in AS18280

Review of ARP 9013 presented by Fitzsimmons

ACTION ITEM: Keith Purnell to contact Mr. Fitzsimons to see if he can conduct auditor training on ARP 9013.DUE DATE: May 31, 2009

3.0AS85052 LOOP CLAMPS (CLOSED)

Manufacturing process flow chart created by the sub-team was reviewed. Flow chart will be used as an aid for developing audit questions for AS85052 loop clamps and AS85449 saddle clamps.

4.0NTGOP-001 Appendix XI (CLOSED)

NMC ballot comments on NTGOP-001 Appendix XI were reviewed and are editorial in nature. Comments will be resolved in the Nadcap open meeting.

5.0STAFF DELEGATION (CLOSED)

Staff Engineer delegation metrics were reviewed. Staff Engineer Keith Purnell has maintained 100% Task Group concurrence and therefore maintains delegation.

6.0AUDIT FAILURE CRITERIA (CLOSED)

The Task Groups existing and proposed Audit Failure Criteria was presented and discussed. The failure criteria will be voted on during the Nadcap open meeting.

7.0NEW BUSINESS (CLOSED)

The Task Groups most common NCR which is suppliers not auditing organizations they subcontract work to was reviewed and will be a topic of discussion in the Nadcap open meeting.

The Task Group Succession plan was reviewed and it was suggested that Samuel Buri of Boeing would be a good candidate for Vice Chairperson.

ACTION ITEM: Keith Purnell to contact Samuel Buri to see if he is interested in being Vice Chairperson of the Fluids Distribution Systems Task Group?DUE DATE: May 31, 2009

8.0ROUTING ATTENDANCE LIST (OPEN)

Roster was circulated for all in attendance to sign.

9.0APPROVAL OF MINUTES (OPEN)

The minutes from the September 15, 2008, Fluids Distribution Systems Task Group meeting were reviewed and approved as written.

10.0Nadcap STAFF REPORT (OPEN)

Staff Engineer Keith Purnell presented the PRI Staff Report and Task Group Metrics (attached).

The Task Groups existing audit failure criteria in NOP-011 was reviewed and compared to the audit failure criteria calculated using 2008 audit data and a failure threshold of 98%. For reaccreditation audits the new failure data indicates 2 Major NCRs per day as opposed to 3. The limit on the maximum number of Major NCRs would remain unchanged at 6. The total number of NCR’s per day remains unchanged at 5 with a limit of 20 NCR’s. There were only three initial fluid audits in 2008 so there was not enough data to derive meaningful numbers. It was proposed that the same failure criteria be used for initial and reaccreditation audits.

Motion made by Ron Clements and & seconded by Mark Scott to approve the failure criteria for initial and reaccreditation audits of 2 Major NCR’s per day with a cap of 6 Majors and a total number of 5 NCR’s per day with a cap of 20 NCR’s based upon 2008 audit data. Motion Passedunanimously by the Task Group.

Ballot comments from the NTGOP-001 Appendix XI Nadcap Management Council ballot were reviewed. Comments are editorial and do not change any of the appendix requirements.

Motion made by Ron Clements and seconded by Dan Smith to approve the NTGOP-001 Appendix XI with the inclusion of the proposed editorial changes. Motion Passedunanimously by the Task Group.

ACTION ITEM: Keith Purnell to post revised NTGOP-001 Appendix 11 in eAuditNet. DUE DATE: March 31, 2009

Mark Scott G3 QPG Chairperson provided an update on projects the Qualified Product Group is working on. They are planning six new QPLs and working on increasing the number of primes participating in the QPG. To increase productivity periodic test matrixes have been completed and qualification test matrixes are nearing completion. Future plans include a system for the online review of submitted materials.

11.0SUPPLIER REPORT (OPEN)

Ron Spencer presented a summary of the supplier meeting. Topic of discussion was audit requirements for sub-tier organizations performing production, inspection or testing. This was the most common finding in AC7112A paragraph 6.4, 6.4.1 & 6.4.1.1. A sub team was formed to work this issue and report back at the next meeting. Team membersare: Ron Spencer, Michael Schleckman, Dan Smith, Robert Schreiber, Ron Clements, Erwin Oman, Perry Freemen, & Keith Purnell.

ACTION ITEM: Keith Purnell to set up a conference call for the sub-team to working the audit requirements of sub-tier organizations.DUE DATE: May 31, 2009

12.0BEAM SEALS (OPEN)

The revised AC7112/2 checklist is ready to be balloted; PRI staff asked if there are any questions specific to beam seals that need to be added to the checklist. No additional questions were suggested.

13.0AS85052 LOOP CLAMPS (OPEN)

A sub-team of the Nadcap Fluids Distribution Systems Task Group drafted a manufacturingprocess flow chart for loop and saddle clamps as an aid in developing audit checklist questions. The flow chart splits with one side addressing the metal clamp and the other side addressing the cushion material. Staff announced there will be a panel meeting at 1:00 pm March 16, 2009 to review the flow chart and to determine how involved the audit needs to be regarding the cushion material. All in attendance were invited to attend the panel meeting.

14.0NEW BUSINESS (OPEN)

Beam Seal Panel meeting at 3:00 pm March 16, 2009 was announced and all were invited to attend.

15.0ACTION ITEM REVIEW (OPEN)

Action Items are summarized in the RAIL attached to the end of these minutes.

ADJOURNMENT –March 16, 2009 meeting was adjourned at 11:30a.m.

Minutes Prepared by: Keith Purnell,

RAIL:

***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)
YES* NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision: / Who is responsible: / Due date:

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