Secondary TAs: Planning Work

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I'm here till half four,

five o'clock

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because I like to get my records in

order while it's fresh in my mind.

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I find if I leave it a day or two,

I'm then struggling.

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The planning for the lessons we have

to do is working with the teacher,

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either to have a conversation

before the lesson

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or we get a yellow sheet

with the description on

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of what the lesson will be about,

who we'll be working with

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and what the teachers think

might be difficult for that student.

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If you've got a child

that needs graphs doing

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or special tables preparing,

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then you can prepare those before

you actually go into the lesson.

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That makes the lesson easier

for them. They don't get behind.

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(man) So, how do teaching assistants

organise their support for pupils

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across the whole curriculum

in a school like Earls High?

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It's all about planning.

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I feel it's very important

that the teaching assistant

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is fully aware of what

the lesson content is going to be

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and exactly what their role

is going to be in that lesson.

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On the first day back in September,

all staff receive the timetable

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of support they're going to be

getting for the next academic year,

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and it's stated

which teaching assistants

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are going to be in their lessons.

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We also give some quite detailed

information at that point

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on what the role of the teacher is

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in supporting

the teaching assistant.

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(John) I'm normally in

for eight o'clock in the morning.

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You have to check pigeonholes

for information from teachers

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and I like to spend some time

just by myself,

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familiarising myself

with what we'll be doing,

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making sure I've got all

the resources that I need.

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There's a lot of information on

there, but I like to read through it

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and then make notes of my own

so that I can remember it as well.

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You're working with pupils

whose minds

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are a lot more agile than mine now,

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so it's important for me

that I've got my finger on the pulse

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and I know what's happening.

So, we do planning.

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I may do it after school

or at night at home.

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My other half is a teacher, so we

both sit there boring each other.

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No, we both sit there

doing planning together quite often.

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How many did I say

you were going to try and do?

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- (child) Five.

- Five or more. That's right. OK.

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(Cat) When we come in in the morning

we have a set plan of lessons

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and set students.

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So, we go into each lesson and help,

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and then if there's work

that needs to be done in other ways,

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we'll take up break times

or lunch times or after school

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to get that student in or a group

of students in and work through it.

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If I explain that it's one metre

divided by the time,

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and then we get the speed

in metres per second. OK?

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The planning for the lessons we have

to do is working with the teacher,

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either to have a conversation

before the lesson

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or we get a yellow sheet

with the description on

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of what the lesson will be about,

who we'll be working with

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and what the teachers think

might be difficult for that student.

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(man) The teaching assistants'

planning folder is their bible.

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It's for pupil records and,

of course, those yellow sheets.

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(Cat) I've had support from

the other teaching assistants,

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especially when I first

came into the job.

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Because of how our folders

have to be set out,

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you will get one or two of them

sitting down with you

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and explaining everything

you have to do in the job,

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then taking you to the photocopier

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and helping you get

all your folder together,

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and of course bringing you

tea and biscuits as well

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just to make you feel welcome.

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(Ros) If you listen to the

discussion in the staff room,

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they're all deciding how they can

best support each other

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and support the students.

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Often, teaching assistants are here

at eight o'clock in the morning.

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Some of them don't leave until half

four, five o'clock, sometimes later.

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(Cat) Sometimes at dinner times

you have some photocopying to do

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if the student needs

the work enlarged,

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so you'd get that done so you're

prepared for every lesson

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that you go into.

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The curriculum is quite difficult

to get your head round,

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to understand, when you're

constantly in and out of lessons.

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Did you get some pictures

of wildlife?

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No. I ain't got pictures,

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- but I've got...

- You've got your flip chart.

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(Cat) I think it helps

with me being young,

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because it's only a few years,

it's not been that many years

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since I've been out of school

and out of education,

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so it's quite easy to be swapped

from one thing to the other.

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Working with years 8s and year 9s,

it's still at quite a basic level.

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(Chris) I think at the moment I'm

lucky that the teachers I work with

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are appreciative of why I'm in there

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because of the pupils that I'm with.

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So, were there any tables at all

that really couldn't get started?

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They were good. They seemed

to know what they were doing.

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The problem was when we came to

the representation of the football.

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(teacher) The ideas that get planned

for the lessons are often shared.

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We discuss them

and if Chris has an idea

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as to how we can achieve success

with a student she's working with,

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then obviously that's

a massive bonus to me

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to have her working alongside there.

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If we give them sugar paper and get

them to jot down their ideas,

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and if you can work with those

three tables, I'll do the other two.

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(Anne) In terms of planning,

either I write things down

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on the yellow sheet that you

might have seen Chris clutching

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or we talk things through

and the planning emerges

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through that discussion.

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If you've got a child

that needs graphs doing

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or special tables preparing

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then you can prepare those before

you actually go into the lesson.

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That makes the lesson easier

for them. They don't get behind.

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What is a stereotype?

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Aaron, go on.

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What we think people are.

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What else can we say

about a stereotype?

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- Everyone can be the same.

- That everyone's the same.

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They're lumped together

into one group.

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Chris and I are quite lucky in that

some of our lessons run into breaks

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and the two of us are quite happy

to chat as things are packing away.

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When the pressure is on

midway through a term,

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that tends to be

when we catch up most.

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Put it in a different way.

She plays football. She's very...

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- Sporty.

- OK.

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Shortish staff meeting. We've got

two main items on the agenda.

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(Chris) We go to all the staff

meetings after school,

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every briefing on a Tuesday morning.

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Anything that's going on

we're notified about.

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It's in our pigeonholes. We know

what's going on in the school

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just the same

as the normal staff.

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There's not a little clique for this

and a little clique for that.

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I do genuinely believe

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that we know more collectively

than we do individually.

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(Cat) Even as a teaching assistant

we have to attend staff meetings

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so you can get together

with all your teachers.

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It's really good,

because you're given

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the same amount of respect

as a teacher,

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which you need when you're

working in the classroom.

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The real grounding

for school improvement

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is the conversations

that happen between professionals.

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I think that's where

we learn the most.

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(Ros) I actually teach

a year 8 class,

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so I have a teaching assistant

supporting me in the classroom.

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They'll have to bring

everything together there

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and argue their point of view

in the role-play.

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I do have first-hand experience,

and it helps to remind me sometimes

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how difficult it is to make sure

that you've met with the assistant,

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that they've had

the planning sheet

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and they're fully conversant with

what's going on in my lesson.

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Consider the three reasons

why Henry VIII

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decided to dissolve the monasteries.

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Which reason do you think

was the most important?

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Now, there's not necessarily

a right or wrong answer.

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OK? Two minutes in your group.

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Didn't he like the Pope

being the head?

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He wanted them to obey him

instead of the Pope.

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He wanted control, didn't he?

He wanted control.

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The teachers will give us

a lesson outline

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which will tell us basically

what they're going to be covering,

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so we're not going

into the lessons cold.

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And then if there are any resources

that we need,

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that we feel we need to compile,

then we'll compile the resources.

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OK? See what you can do.

Really impressed.

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If you've got 30 students

in a class,

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it's quite difficult to assess

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how each student is performing,

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whereas the teaching assistant can

provide valuable evidence there

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of how they've coped

with a particular task.

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You are going to have to

think on your feet. OK?

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Welcome to everybody

to our learning-support meeting.

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Any apologies?

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The teaching assistants and myself

meet every Wednesday after school

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to plan for the following week.

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The performance management

is well under way.

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I think I've only got a couple

of people now to see

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from the teaching assistants.

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It's an opportunity for me to give

out any information about courses

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or individual students,

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meeting with parents,

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the external agency meetings

that are likely to take place

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over the next week

that they need to be informed of.

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It's also an opportunity

for them to discuss with me

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any concerns they may have,

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and it's just a general

debrief session, really.

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There's three different aspects

of Asperger's children.

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Social communication

they have difficulty with,

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social interaction

and social imagination.

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And there's a whole range

of examples in here.

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Things like "crying your eyes out" -

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that would really freak

some of the kids out.

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They would think their eyes were

gonna come out if they were crying.

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It's quite a close-knit group.

Any time you've got a problem,

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there will be one or two people

you can go straight to

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and say,

"Can you help me with this?"

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Because I only recently

started the job,

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it's nice because I feel like

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I can rely on some people

who've been here for years.

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Make sure that worksheets

aren't cluttered.

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It's very difficult to keep in with

everybody all the time and catch up,

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so what we tend to do is we have

a little staff room where we go,

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chat to people there,

and I find that what I do

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is if there's anyone in

the breakfast club when I come in

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I just pop my head round and say,

"You all right? Is everything OK?"

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(John) Some teachers make a point

of coming and talking to me,

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even if they've given me a sheet

to say what we'd be doing.

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"This what we're covering and this

is the way that I'm gonna do it."

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I find it very helpful

to chat to the teachers.

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I make a point of doing that

if there's something

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that I've not covered before

and that I'm not certain about.

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One interesting issue when you've

got extra people in the classrooms

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is you get much more information

coming back from the students

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about their views

of teaching and learning,

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and you're able

to bring that information

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back into the cycle

of school improvement.

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I'm here till half four,

five o'clock

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because I like to get my records in

order while it's fresh in my mind.

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I find if I leave it a day or two,

I'm then struggling to remember.

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I make notes during the lessons,

but then I find that I'm struggling

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to think what I meant

by the note that I made.

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I like to sit at the end of the day,

make notes that need to be made,

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get the records up to date,

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and make sure, really, I've got

everything clear from that day.

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And any resources

that I need as well,

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if I've got to create resources,

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just to get on the computer

and create them.

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If you get a problem,

there's usually somebody

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that's done it, been there,

knows what to do next

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and somebody can put you in the

right direction to find that person.

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(Ros) I think it is

a very tough job.

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They have to have

very specific skills

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and one of those is

that they need to be flexible,

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because they just don't know what

situations they're going to face.

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With the whole inclusion agenda,

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the role of learning support is

going to increase within schools.

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The number of teaching assistants

will steadily increase.

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