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Wireless LANs

802.11 VHT SG September 2008 Minutes
Date: 2008-11-24
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / email
Eric Tokubo / Motorola /
Eldad Perahia / Intel Corporation /

Minutes of VHTSG Ad Hoc session – November 10th, 2008, 08:00-11:00

November 10th, 2008 (Monday AM1 – 8:00-9:30am)

-Ad-hoc called in-session – 8:00am (Local Time)

-Announcements

  • 1st Meeting of TGac – Wednesday PM1

-Agenda for the week (11-08/1287r0)

  • IEEE Patent Policy
  • VHT60
  • VHTL6/TGac
  • General Items

-IEEE Patent Policy – No questions/comments

-VHT-SG Call for Submissions

  • EC Report (Eldad)
  • 11-08/1285 (Minho – TGac Fct Rqts) – Wed or Thurs in TGac
  • 11-08/1306 (John Stine) – Tues PM2
  • Proposal Process (Peter Loc)
  • Usage Models (Rolf)
  • Proposal Process (Rolf)

-Review from September 2008 Interim Session

  • VHT60 PAR Development
  • Discussions between EC/802.15.3c/VHT60
  • Updated PAR document
  • VHTL6
  • Review of Nescom feedback
  • VHTL6 Task Group Work Plan Proposal (11-08/1032)
  • Optimal CSD for Channel Estimation (11-08/1079)
  • Proposal Development (11-08/579)

-VHT60 Timeline

-Review of VHT Conference Calls (Oct-Nov 2008)

  • Usage Model Lead
  • VHTL6 – Rolf De Vegt
  • VHT60 – Mark Grodzinsky

-VHT60 PAR Update

  • Speculative edits completed on VHT60 PAR to match Nescom editorial changes made to VHTL6 PAR
  • Updated VHT60 PAR (11-08/806r6)
  • EC Feedback – No objections or negative feedback

-EC Report (11-08/813r2)

  • During July EC Meeting, concept of sharing PHYs (802.11 & 802.15.3c) came up … follow-up?
  • Discussion – Eric (Moto), Darwin (Nortel), Eldad (Intel) – create notes for EC Meeting, but no need to explicitly add text in this document

-Ad-hoc Session in Recess – 8:35am (Local Time)

November 11th, 2008 (Monday AM – 9:30-11:00am)

-Ad-hoc called in-session – 9:30am (Local Time)

-VHTL6 Ad-hoc Session

  • No Agenda Items

-Ad-hoc Session in Recess – 9:35am (Local Time)

Minutes of VHTSG session – Tuesday, November 11th, 2008, 16:00-18:00

November 11th, 2008 (Tuesday PM2 – 4:00-6:00pm)

-Study Group called in-session – 4:00pm (Local Time)

-Meeting Agenda (11-08/1287r2 slide 26)

  • Technical Presentations
  • VHT60 PAR Feedback from 802.3/802.15
  • VHT60 PAR Approval

- “Designing for Coexistence” (11-08/1306r0)

  • Discussion/Q&A

-VHT60 PAR Feedback from 802.3/802.15 (11-08/1367r0)

  • Feedback from 802.3 – include note on PICS proforma
  • Accepted by VHT-SG
  • Feedback from 802.15 – Coexistence in 60GHz
  • Response crafted by VHT-SG
  • Motion to approve responses to feedback
  • Moved: Stuart Kerry (NXP)
  • Second: Matt Fischer (Broadcom)
  • Vote (Y-N-A): 47-0-0 – Motion Passed
  • Approx 64 attendees in the room

-VHT60 PAR (11-08/806r6)

  • Add note in Section 8.1 (concerning inclusion of PICS proforma)
  • Motion to Approve VHT60 (11ad) PAR (11-08/806r7)
  • Moved: Eric Tokubo (Moto)
  • Second: Brian Hart (Cisco)
  • Vote (Y-N-A): 45-0-1 – Motion Passed

-Session Recessed – 6:00pm (Local Time)

Minutes of Joint VHTSG/TGac session – Wednesday, November 12th, 2008, 16:00-18:00

November 12th, 2008 (Wednesday PM2 – 4:00-6:00pm)

-Joint Meeting – VHT-SG & TGac

-Study Group called in-session – 4:00pm (Local Time)

-Meeting Agenda (11-08/1287r2 slide 26)

  • Technical Presentations
  • “16m Selection Procedure” (11-08/1394)
  • “Selection Procedure” (11-08/1392)
  • Usage Model (11-08/1323)

-“16m Selection Procedure (11-08/1394r0)

  • Discussion
  • Rolf (QCOM) – Organization & responsibilities of “Rapporteur Groups”
  • RGs are created & live to accomplish specific task
  • RG Chairs based on volunteer activity
  • Size of RGs is open to every member
  • Peter Loc (Ralink) – Overlapping of topics within RGs
  • Groups try best not to overlap related topics
  • Eldad (Intel) – Where do the topics for RGs come from?
  • Topics initially come from SRD, but the process is organic and topics are created throughout the development process
  • John Benko (France Telecom) – When does the group initiate “change control”
  • Initiation of “change control” is determined by the entire group and the topic must be “nearly technically complete”
  • Don Schultz (Boeing) – What happens when consensus is not achieved in the RGs
  • Proposals are taken to entire TG to be resolved
  • 400+ Attendees in 16m TG
  • Eldad (Intel) – Only 4 months of work from SDD completion to Initial LB
  • It is a very aggressive schedule, but many technical topics have already been decided during the SDD development process.

-“Inputs for a VHT Selection Procedure” (11-08/1392r0)

  • Discussion
  • Don (Boeing) – Effectiveness of proposed selection procedure in VHT60/VHTL6?
  • Downfall of 11n was the concept of selecting between competing complete proposals
  • Jim P (ViaSat) – Issue in 11n procedure was “All or Nothing” approach … Support for this new process
  • Garth Hillman (OakTree Wireless) – Like the concept of adding the scheduling element into the VHT development process
  • Peter Loc (Ralink) – Need to stay on-target (need to meet functional requirements of development plan) … Worried about creating “Frankenstein”-solution
  • Eric T (Moto) – Consensus/Support for Architecture/Functional Blocks should be considerably high (75% or greater)
  • Darwin (Nortel) – Clarification of 16m Development Process
  • Al Petrick (Jones-Petrick & Associates) – FYI … All technical votes in IEEE 802 (according to P&P) are 75%
  • Jim P (ViaSat) – Explanation of TGn Adhoc Development Process
  • Straw Poll – “Support for VHT Selection Procedure similar to that outlined in this presentation”
  • Vote (Y-N-A) – 52-1-23
  • Don S (Boeing) – Amount of co-development between VHT60 & TGac
  • Each group will have its own schedule … PHYs work will be independent, but much of the MAC work can be co-developed

-“Introduction to VHT Usage Models” (11-081323r0)

  • VHT60 Leader – Mark Grodzinsky (Wilocity)
  • TGac Leader – Rolf de Vegt (Qualcomm)
  • Discussion
  • Minho (ETRI) – How do Usage Models reflect handoff behavior between VHT60 & VHTL6
  • WFA Usage Models are technology agnostic
  • Philippe (THOMSON) – Issue with smooth transition from VHT60/VHTL6
  • No issue in each TG using Usage Models … Issue is in the Stds Dev Process (within IEEE 802.11)
  • Garth (OakTree) – May want to reference 802.15.3c development effort (for 60GHz Modeling)

-Group Comments

  • Darwin (Nortel) – Joint VHT60/VHTL6 work … At least one joint meeting and one joint conference call.

-Session Recessed – 6:04pm (Local Time)

Minutes of VHTSG session – Thursday, November 13, 2008, 13:30-13:30

November 13th, 2008 (Thursday PM1 – 1:30-3:30pm)

-Study Group called in-session – 1:30pm (Local Time)

-Meeting Agenda & Report (11-08/1287r3)

  • Review Timeline
  • SG Extension Motion
  • Goals for January

-SG Extension Motion

  • Moved: Darwin Engwer (Nortel)
  • Second: Rolf De Vegt (QCOM)
  • Vote (Y-N-A): 44-0-0

-Goals for January

  • If EC/Nescom approves VHT60 PAR
  • Officially begin TGad (VHT60) activity
  • Officer Elections
  • Start working on VHT60 Task Group activities
  • Selection Procedure
  • Usage Models
  • Etc.
  • Technical Presentations

-Conference Calls (Dec-Jan)

  • 12/4 – 11:00-13:00 ET
  • Open Agenda (will cancel if no contributions)
  • 12/18 – 20:00-22:00 ET
  • Open Agenda (will cancel if no contributions)
  • 1/15 – 11:00-13:00 ET (Joint Call with TGac)
  • Possible Topics
  • Usage Models
  • Selection Procedure
  • Other TG Documents

-Meeting Adjourned – 1:47pm (Local Time)

Attendence

first name / last name / Tu
PM2 / Th / affiliation / email
Osama / Aboul-magd / x / x / Nortel Networks /
santosh / abraham / x / qualcomm /
Tomoko / Adachi / x / x / Toshiba Corporation /
vered / bar / x / Qualcomm Incorporated /
Gal / Basson / x / Wilocity /
Moussa / Bavafa / x / Broadcom Corporation /
John / Benko / x / x / Orange-France Telecom /
bruce / bosco / x / motorola /
peter / caldera / x / zhone tech /
laurent / cariou / x / Orange-France Telecom /
Philippe / CHAMBELIN / x / x / Thomson /
Jiunn-Tsair / Chen / x / x / Ralink /
Minho / Cheong / x / x / ETRI /
jee-yon / choi / x / etri /
Liwen / Chu / x / STMicroelectronics /
hyun kyu / chung / x / ETRI /
jeremy / de vries / x / unh-iol /
ZHIMING / DING / x / Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. /
John / Dorsey / x / Apple Inc. /
Roger / Durand / x / Research In Motion Ltd. /
mike / ellis / x / bbc /
steve / emeott / x / motorola /
Marc / Emmelmann / x / Technical UniversityBerlin /
Darwin / Engwer / x / Nortel Networks /
Vinko / Erceg / x / Broadcom /
stefan / fechtel / x / x / infineon ag /
Paul / Feinberg / x / Sony Electronics Inc. /
edgar / figueroa / x / wi-fi alliance /
matthew / fischer / x / x / broadcom /
Jeffrey / Gilbert / x / x / SiBEAM, Inc. /
ron / glibbery / x / peruso technology /
David / Goodall / x / G2 Microsystems /
Brian / Hart / x / x / Cisco Systems, Inc. /
garth / hillman / x / oaktree wireless /
haoki / honma / x / ntt /
kiyoyuki / ihara / x / x / TRDA /
Hongseok / Jeon / x / ETRI /
Yeonkwon / Jeong / x / GSU /
Padam / Kafle / x / x / Nokia Corporation /
Naveen / Kakani / x / Nokia Corporation /
masato / kato / x / x / buffalo /
Tatsuya / Kato / x / x / Tokyo Electric Power Company /
pat / kelly / x / NICTA /
Stuart / Kerry / x / NXP Semiconductors /
yunjoo / kim / x / ETRI /
kiran / x / x / ralink technologies, inc /
mark / kobayashi / x / broadcom /
Tom / Kolze / x / Broadcom /
josef / krans / x / deutsche telekom /
raj / kulkarni / x / x / spantas /
Joseph / Lauer / x / x / Broadcom /
yuro / lee / x / x / ETRI /
Hang / Liu / x / Thomson Inc /
pei / liu / x / polytechnic institute of NYU /
Peter / Loc / x / x / Ralink Technology /
hiroshi / mano / x / ROOT INC. /
roman / maslennikov / x / intel /
sven / mesecke / x / buffalo /
Hitoshi / Morioka / x / ROOT INC. /
yuichi / morioka / x / sony corp. /
Anthony / murabitu / x / x / unh-iol /
Yukimasa / Nagai / x / Mitsubishi Electric /
kengo / nagata / x / ntt /
hiroki / nakano / x / trans new technology /
Chiu / Ngo / x / Samsung Electronics /
eero / nikula / x / x / nokia /
hideaki / odagiri / x / x / oki network /
hiroshi / oguma / x / institute of miyagi pref /
jong-ee / oh / x / ETRI /
arul / palanivelu / x / marvell /
Michael / park / x / qualcomm /
Minyoung / Park / x / x / Intel /
Bemini / Peiris / x / x / Atheros Communications /
Eldad / Perahia / x / x / Intel /
jim / petronovich / x / viasat /
Darcy / Poulin / x / SiGe Semiconductor /
chuck / powers / x / Motorola Inc /
ali / raissinia / x / qualcomm inc. /
Hemanth / Sampath / x / QUALCOMM, Inc. /
yonho / seok / x / lg electronics /
Ian / Sherlock / x / texas instruments /
Vinay / Sridhara / x / qualcomm /
john / stine / x / self /
hyung sik / suh / x / lge /
Arash / Tabibiazar / x / x / univeristy at waterloo /
Eiji / Takagi / x / Qualcomm Incorporated /
Mineo / Takai / x / WasedaUniversity /
Jerry / Thrasher / x / Lexmark International Inc. /
sergey / tiraspolsky / x / x / lg electronics /
Eric / Tokubo / x / x / Motorola Inc /
Richard / Van Nee / x / QUALCOMM, Inc. /
Allert / Van Zelst / x / QUALCOMM, Inc. /
badri / varadarajan / x / x / texas instruments /
Mathieu / Varlet-Andre / x / bt /
steve / yao / x / ITT corp /
Seiji / Yoshida / x / NTT MCL, Inc. /
artur / zaks / x / texas instruments /
amy / zhang / x / x / huawei technologies /
Hongyuan / Zhang / x / marvell semiconductor /

Submissionpage 1Eldad Perahia (Intel Corporation)