DRAFT
NON GOVERNMENTAL ORGANISATION
MINUTES OF THE IFA TECHNICAL COMMITTEE MEETING (04/2)
HELD ON SUNDAY NOVEMBER 14, 2004
AT THE SHANGRI-LA HOTEL, SHANGHAI, CHINA
The following meeting notes are written for the use of IFA members only and represent the Chairman’s and the Secretary’s understanding of the current position and opinions expressed on the various topics discussed. They do not necessarily represent the opinion of either the IFA or the authors and should not be copied or reproduced without permission.
PRESENT: Brian PerryIFA VP Technical- TC Chairman
Frank FickeisenIFA and Consultant
Cliff EdwardsShell Aircraft International
Graham HarrisIFA Director Membership and Publicity – Meeting Secretary
David GibbonsCAA – UK/EASA
Frank JaureguiIFA VP Americas
Jim McKennaCAA – UK Chief Surveyor
John SaullIFA Executive Director
Daniel CheneyFAA Seattle
Jim RainbowIFA Trustee
Ron YatesIFA VP Australasia
Heather DarwinLineUP Aviation
Ahmad F Al ZabinEx Kuwait Airways
Bader Al-ShayjiEx Kuwait Airways
Kevin DadgeAustralian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association
Keith TylerAustralian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association
Chung MakHAECO/TAECO
Ivan NeoSingapore Institute of Aerospace Engineers
Alex Soh Keng ChuanSingapore Institute of Aerospace Engineers
David Chong Yoon Hong Singapore Institute of Aerospace Engineers
Chen LianzhangChina Aviation Oil Import & Export Co Ltd
Kurt GraeberBoeing
Apologies were received from Alasdair Anderson, Peter Harper, Frank Price, Frank Turner, Pat Hattie,
Roger Holliday, Thor Johansen, Kelvin Kellaway, Andrew McClymont, Alan Troughtong, Simon Witts, Phil Hosey, Jim Gibbons and Steve Hills
1.NEWS of MEMBERS
Alan Troughton sent everyone his best wishes and his regrets that he was unable to be present at the meeting.
2.AGENDA
The Agenda, which had been distributed before hand was agreed. The Chairman announced that there would be three presentations during the day, covering Fuel System Safety, CPS and the Boeing 737. Airbus offered their apologies for having to withdraw from providing an A380 up date, due to the pressure of work involved in preparing for the first flight of the aircraft in early 2005.
It was planned to devote a major portion of the meeting to a review of the proposed IFA White Paper on Extended On-Duty Working Hours.
3.MINUTES of MEETING 04/1 held on 7th April, 2004 at Gatwick Airport.
Acceptance of the Minutes of the last meeting was proposed by Frank Jauregui.
4.MATTERS ARISING – None, other than those covered in the Agenda.
5.INFORMATION on JAA/EASA, FAA and UK CAA ACTIVITIES
5.1 JSSI Steering Group, Action Plans Team, FAST and CAST liaison
JSSI Steering Group and Action Plans Team activities are continuing, and there is no major aspect to be raised since the last report for the TC Meeting in April 2004. Most of the Action Plans have now been agreed and there has been a reduction in the frequency of APT meetings during 2004. Andrew McClymont and brian Perry continue to participate in the JSSI Steering Group and Action Plans Team work and a further report will be included in the next edition of IFA News.
The JAA FAST (Future Aviation Safety Team) activity is also continuing successfully, with no new major aspect to report. The FAST work is fully supported by EASA.
Action: Andrew McClymont/Brian Perry
5.2 JAA Human Factors Steering Group
The JAA Human Factors Steering Group (HFStG) has held three meetings this year and progress has been made with the formation of small Focus Groups covering Design & Certification, Licensing, Operations, Maintenance and Human Factors in Safety Management.
John Saull is a member of the Design and Certification Focus Gorup, which is preparing a document studying EASA Part 21 AMC and AMG texts.
JAR 25 is not included in the HFStG programme since it was covered by a specialist HF Harmonisation WG, which has already issued an Advisory circular (AC).
During the transition from JAA to EASA the work of the Group will be continued under JAA leadership and they will provide progress reports to EASA. Under the new Group Chairman, M. Stephane Deharvengt of the French DGAC, revised Terms of Reference for the HFStG are being prepared.
Action: John Saull
5.3 2004 Annual U.S./Europe international Aviation Safety Conference
Andrew McClymont attended the 2004 Conference on behalf of IFA and a full report was put onto the members section of the IFA web site during the summer with a report on the same meeting by Thor Johansen. A summary was also included in the IFA News Extra.
Action: Andrew McClymont
5.4 Single Engine IMC Commerical Operations (EASA and ICAO status)
Nothing further to report
Action: Brian Perry
5.5 EASA update
Following correspondence with EASA in Cologne it has been determined that they currently have no plans to re-instate the JAA system of hard copy document circulation to interested parties and by subscription. Currently the only way to obtain information is by searching the EASA and EU web sites which are: for EASA regulatory material and for all EU legislation.
We, and others, have asked them to introduce an e-mail alerting system to advise interested parties of the addition of new material on the site, to avoid the need for continuous searches. This is being considered.
Further information on the current EASA/JAA status will be provided in the IFA News.
Action: Andrew McClymont/Brian Perry
5.6 UAV update
Alan Troughton continues to monitor relevant UAV activities on behalf of the IFA, but had nothing new to report at this time. Members attention is drawn to the UAV Systems Conference being held at the RaeS in London on Tuesday/Wednesday, February 1/2, 2005. It should be noted that the increasing civil interest in UAVs is reflected in the content of this conference.
5.7 ECCAIRS update
This activity is continuing under EASA, a working group has been set up by JAA/EASA to prepare common methodology for the analysis, review and reporting of the vast amount of incident reports which will be gathered. The WG iwill include industry representation and IFA is also hoping to participate in this activity.
Action: Brian Perry
5.8 FAA CPS Implementation Update
Dan Cheney gave the meeting a brief presentation on progress in the USA towards implementing some of the CPS findings wich particular emphasis on the creation of an Industry-FAA Safety Information Council (ASIC). They were promoting a Safety Information Sharing Environment (SISE). This was not a new data base but a private ‘network’ of servers with firewalls between each data source.
Other activities included:
- Capture and communication of key safety information determined from the safety assessments carried out during the design of new aircraft.
- Capture and analysis of accidents and incidents to prevent recurrence of similar events, through lessons learned process.
- Improve the efficiency of existing FAA sponsored safety data programmes by consolidation or modification, eg 121.703 and 121.705 – SDR’s and MIS’s.
- OEMs to address Human Factor (HF) consideration, with particular reference to maintenance activities and errors.
- Maintenance Error Management – Regulatory framework similar to EASA 66 and EASA 145 to be adopted.
- Expand Major/Minor logic charts in AC 120-77.
- Establish best QA practices, by request to ATA to publish a specification “Oversight of Maintenance”.
- Improve guidance and oversight of DERs relative to compliance with FARs.
Dan also reported that the FAA had started an Accident Information Library covering specific accidents. Copies of the first ten reports are available via the FAA web-site.
Action: Brian Perry
5.9 Fuel System Safety
David Gibbons, CAA-UK, who is EASA co-ordinator for this topic, gave a briefing on the current status of the joint FAA/JAA Fuel System Safety proposals.
The joint FAA/JAA paper providing a full update on this topic was presented at IASS 2004 in Shanghai. Copies of the papers, which give the very latest position regarding implementation of the proposed requirements, will be included in the conference report CD, to be issued shortly by the FSF.
Members are reminded that these proposals will affect not only new designes of aircraft but also aircraft currently in service.
5.10 Ageing Systems (Aircraft Wiring)
The latest position on this topic was also presented at IASS 2004 and again will be included in the conference report CD.
Again the required implementation will affect aircraft currently in service.
5.11 UK Safety Management Systems Combined Action Group
This group, which had been in place for about five years, has now been wound up. Some of its work will be continued by the RaeS Engineering Human Factors Group under the chairmanship of Cliff Edwards. John Saull is also planning to attend the meetings of this Group. Conferences which they have already organised have been reported in IFA News Extra.
Action: Cliff Edwards/John Saull
5.12 EU and EASA consultations and other documentation proposals.
The Chairman drew the meetings attention to three documents of potential interest to IFA members.
a)EU Directive 2003/42/EC on Occurrence Reporting in Civil Aviation.
b)NPA 4/2004 Clarification regarding the wording of AMC-66
c)NPA 5/2004 Implementation in Part M of Ageing Structures and Systems recommendations.
6.IFA INVOLVEMENT WITH OTHER ORGANISATIONS
6.1 ICAO
After many years of effort, IFA have now been formally invitied to participate in the ICAO Airworthiness Panel (AIRP) meetings. The meeting gave their congratulations to all those who had been involved in getting the IFA formally recognised by ICAO.
Andrew McClymont attended the AIRP meeting in Tokyo, which took place during the week of the TC meeting and IASS 2004 and this report will be published in the next edition of the IFA News.
Action: John Saull/Andrew McClymont
6.2 Flight Safety Foundation ICARUS Committee
John Saull reported that the FSF ICARUS Committee had reviewed its overall programme and has now been split into small groups to improve the focus of its projects. While these are mostly of an operational nature, there are often Safety Management and airworthiness issues involved.
The Icarus Committee, under the project management of Dan Marino, has been instrumental in preparing and processing the ICAO Assembly resolution A35-WP/52, titled ‘Protection of Information from Safety Data Systems’.
This Resolution, which was passed in October 2004, urges all Contracting States to examine their existing legislation and adjust as necessary, or enact laws and regulations, to effectively protect (from inappropriate use) information obtained from safety data collection systems.
John will continue to monitor ICARUS activities and take part as and when appropriate.
Action: John Saull
6.3 Aerospace North America (ANA)
ANA have now taken over from SAE the organisation and running of the 2005 Aerospace Conference and Exhibition. This will be held in Hartford CT from September 19th to 23rd, 2005 and will address Safety and Security, Making Technologies Work and Doing Business Better. ICAO have already announced their intention of being involved with this conference.
In view of the success of IFA’s involvement with previous years’ conferences, it is proposed that we consider offering papers to cover half a day’s programme.
Action John Saull/Brian Perry
7.DRAFT WHITE PAPER – EXTENDED ON-DUTY WORKING HOURS
The draft of this paper, prepared by Frank Jauregui and Phil Hosey and circulated with the TC Agenda, was discussed in detail and at length by all the attendees at the meeting.
While it was generally appreciated that the paper only set out to emphasize the requisite safety objectives, the discussion included consideration of how these objectives are likely to be implemented and achieved in practice. It was felt that, in general mandatory action by the authorities was unlikely to be the best way forward and that it was probably best to encourage all the companies and organisation involved, to provide self regulation.
Various suggestions were made regarding layout of the paper and these included the suggestion that it would be useful to add reference to existing, relevant, documents. It was agreed that the length of the proposed document was about right and, if at all possible, it should not exceed 2/3 sides of A4 paper.
The problems were also currently exacerbated by the shortage of licensed engineers.
In summary, the paper was welcomed and accepted by the meeting and it was agreed that, subject to EC approval, and taking into account the comments of the meeting, the paper should be published as soon as possible, but with the example of working hours reduced from 16 to 12.
The objective was to have the paper ready for circulation by late January/early February, 2005.
Post Meeting Note
The above proposals were accepted by the EC and a further copy fo the first draft circulated to all IFA members on 18th November, with a request for final comments by the end of December, 2004.
Action: Frank Jauregui/Phil Hosey/Brian Perry
It would be of assistance if IFA members could provide the names and address of organisation who they suggest, should be circulated with copies of the final White Paper.
Action: All Members
8.IASS 2005 CONFERENCE – Moscow, RUSSIA, 2005
FSF announced the location of the next conference as Moscow but there are, currently, no confirmed dates. When available these, and the call for papers will be circulated to all members.
Members are reminded that IFA will need to see the abstracts of proposed IFA supported papers for review prior to the FSF/IFA Agenda Selection Meeting on April 6/7 2005.
Action: All Members
8.1 Potential IFA Workshop Arrangements
Post Shanghai meeting note: Two IFA organised workshops wer held, in parallel sessions, as arranged, on Monday afternoon, 15 November 2004. The SMS workshop was run by Cliff Edwards of Shell, and the workshop on the Global Structure of Aviation Safety Initiatives by Frank Fickeisen. Both were very successful and extremely well attended.
Requests were received from attendees, for the same or similar events to be held at next year’s IASS in Moscow.
Action: Cliff Edwards/Frank Fickeisen
9.ANY OTHER BUSINESS
9.1 7E7 Presentation
Kurt Graeber presented to the meeting an over-view of the most significant features of the Boeing 7E7 aircraft. This was of great interest and led to some discussion regarding some of these features.
9.2 List of JAR Documents
Brian Perry tabled, for information, the latest issue of JAA documents list which will also provde cross reference to the current EU/EASA documents.
This list is attached to these minutes.See Attachment 1.
10. DATE OF NEXT MEETING
The meeting will be held on 13th April 2005 at CAA HQ, Gatwick
Attachments:
Attachment 1. List of JAR documents, dated November 2004
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