Minutes of Radio Measurements Study Group Meeting
July 2002doc.: IEEE 802.11-02/461r0
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
Minutes of Radio Measurements Study Group Meeting
Date:July 9th, 2002
Author:Simon Barber
Instant 802 Networks, Inc
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Abstract
Minutes of the Wireless LAN Radio Measurement Study Group meeting held during the IEEE 802.11/15 Plenary meeting in Vancouver from July 9 through 12, 2002.
The agenda was approved unchanged.
Election for chair of group
-Richard Paine is nominated by Simon Barber
-There are no other nominees
Election by acclamation - nobody stands against, Richard is elected.
There were 47 people in the room.
Secretary will be Harry Worstell.
- Simon Barber will be secretary for this session
Presentation
Simon presented from document 359r0.
Question: Will other access points be included in the table?
application of interest is load balancing - spreading users between multiple access points
Par review
'Purpose of project'
manage implies control of the network, change to 'monitor'
add word 'enable' or 'facilitate', to make it clear that thee group is just about measurement,
but those measurements are directed towards management, performance enhancement etc.
paragraph is upside down, bring 'make common information...' to start of paragraph
should the radio measurements be optional?
should the whole supplement be optional?
should individual measurements be optional?
"To develop a new radio resource measurement supplement to the 802.11 specification to make
common information available about the 802.11 wireless LANs; to enable monitoring, peformance
enhancements, and other applications of compatible networks."
Straw Poll - should we change the word 'new' to 'optional'?
7 for the straw poll
14 against
5 abstains
The word was not changed.
What's the meaning of 'compatible networks'?
'of compatible networks' removed.
"To develop a new radio resource measurement supplement to the 802.11 specification to make
common information available about the 802.11 wireless LANs; to enable monitoring, peformance
enhancements, and other applications."
the word common is very open to interpretation, and should be removed.
the word common is removed
"To develop a new radio resource measurement supplement to the 802.11 specification to make
information available about the 802.11 wireless LANs; to enable monitoring, peformance
enhancements, and other applications."
now the scope is too broad.
add the word 'radio' where common was
add the word 'appropriate' before radio information
"To develop a new radio resource measurement supplement to the 802.11 specification to make
appropriate radio information available about the 802.11 wireless LANs; to enable monitoring,
peformance enhancements, and other applications."
add 'network' after radio
also change project scope, so it's a 'radio resource and network measurement'...
remove 'appropriate' from purpose - it's redundant
add 'consistent' where 'appropriate' was
replace 'services information' in scope with 'network information'
Intellectual Property
are we going to get involved with patents of cellphone manufacturers?
Scope of the Project – additional explanation and notes
Mobile – perhaps nomadic would be better, since it describes the type of mobility better
Remove network, replace with LAN – makes it more specific.
Add ‘define and expose radio and network information to facilitate’…
To not exclude new applications, e.g. location based services – add ‘also to enable new applications based on this radio information, for example location based services’
Will the measurements include IBSS? – yes but we don’t need to explicitly mention this.
By supplement – is this mandatory? – Yes it will be, to ensure new networks will expose this information
Sentence on h is redundant – above it says that future standards will be included.
Will we be using the same mechanisms and framework that TGh has defined to make our measurements and report them?
Yes – we do think this would be the case.
There are meeting rooms available later this week – should we meet again later this week?
-will discuss this at end.
Draft of 5 Criteria.
Not going to be major issue getting them approved.
Biggest problem with getting TG approved will be the amount of work going on in 802.11 rather than the scope and work of this group itself.
Earliest TG can be formed is November – better to get more time into consideration in PAR than rush to submit.
Weekly meetings starting August, Wednesday – 8am PDT, 11am EDT – is this ok?
Section 16 is definitely not completed – we need to make sure it restricts the scope as much as possible, to ensure the work is manageable, and the TG gets approved by the SCC.
Submissionpage 1Simon Barber, Instant 802 Networks