MINUTES OF NAWRA MEETING HELD ON FRIDAY 5TH DECEMBER 2003 IN EDINBURGH

Present

Richard Baillie

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Edinburgh WRS

Joe Marshall

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Edinburgh WRS

Bashir Zaman

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Tameside WRS

Margaret Roff

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Watford CC

Nancy Fowler

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Welfare Rights Officer

Lorne Campbell

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Perth WR

Nicole Sutherland

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Perth WR

Grant Mackie

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Perth WR

Joy Mayglothwy

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Perth WR

Helen Hirst

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Midlothian WR

Fran Robinson

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Lancashire WRS

Dave Laurie

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Stockton WR

Patrick Hill

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Bolton WRS

Elaine Martin

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Lancashire WRS

Andy Malitz

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Gateshead CAB

Julie Burton

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Durham WR

Jacqui Rogers

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Durham WR

Lorraine Bram

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Middlesborough WR

Euan Henderson

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Glasgow WR

Gillian Manning

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Gloucester Mutual Benefit Training

Lesley Stirton

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South Lanarkshire Council WR

Paul Neave

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Flintshire CC

Aleksander Tuner

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Welfare Rights

Sharon Hinds

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Cheshire CC WRS

Doreen Parr

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Cheshire CC

Phil Hanns

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Durham CC WRS

Jon Laidler

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South Tyneside WRS

Tom Hayton

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City of Sunderland WRS

Alan Markey

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Citizens Advice SSJ

Nancy Fowler

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City of Edinburgh WRS

Calum Mackwin

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North Lanarkshire SW Dept

Keith Spencer

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RNID Casework Service

Nicole Bethune

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Midlothian Council

Christopher Keel

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Glasgow CC

Roddy Slormch

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Glasgow CC

Laura McLean

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Aberdeen WR

Alison Gillies

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Glasgow CC

Richard Gass

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Glasgow CC

Liz Fitzharris

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Inverclyde Council

Jane Smith

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Inverclyde Council

Carolyn Armstrong

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North Lanarkshire Council

Jim McKenny

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Kirklees CC

Apologies

Ian Gemmell – East Ayrshire Council; Isobel Kelly – North Ayrshire Council; Rita Shearer – South Ayrshire Council; Vera Baxter – Scottish Borders Council; Paula Twigg – CPAG; Scott MacInally – Durham CC; Terry Patterson – Manchester CC; Claire Cunningham and Tamara Moreau – Colchester Borough Council; Clive Davis – Newcastle WRS.

Welcome

Anne Hannah welcomed all NAWRA members to the meeting at The Friends House in Edinburgh.

1.Minutes of Last Meeting

A final request for notes for workshops and Third Age handout.

2.Information Exchange

Anne, could you possibly help me out here? I’ve written down who spoke to being with but didn’t follow what they were discussing?

Via email:

Claire Cunningham from Colchester Borough Council raised the issue of take-up work using HB/CTB records held on Academy software system. Colchester’s HB/CTB section says it’s very complicated to write ‘queries’ which will extract info needed to carry out take-up. Can whoever has had success writing ‘queries’ please contact:

Terry Patterson from Manchester Advice commented on last minutes, page 4. Publicity is underway by the Pension Service:

Pension Credit leaflet issued April 2003

Direct mail shots of packs to 7.3 million pensioner households in the period April 2003 – June 2004

Support packs to ‘partner agencies’ issued Summer 2003

Pension Service Local Service pilot take-up work with ‘partner’ agencies in 15 areas completed Summer 2003

TV adverts started in September 2003

Press ads started mid September 2003

Radio ads started mid October 2003

Contact Terry about any local work initiated by welfare rights or independent groups, to share materials and findings email:

Alan Markey from Citizens Advice Specialist Support Unit suggested a possible workshop could be ‘Judicial Review’.

Keith Spencer from RNID commented that there might be a lack of awareness that it’s possible to take cases beyond the Commissioner. Are advisers aware? Time constraints may put people off.

Nicole Bethune from Midlothian Council stated that some have difficulty accessing counsel, the costs involved. Possible training issues of welfare rights advisers.

Gillian from Mutual Benefit Training raised the issue of tax credit overpayment. When working stops, payments should stop.

Doreen Parr from Cheshire CC agreed with Gillian. Also commented that HB and CTC have different rules.

Paul Neave from Flintshire County Council commented on changes in rules for 18 year olds with HB/CTC.

Patrick Hill from Bolton Borough Council mentioned an unawareness of non-dependant 18 year olds on a higher rate; right of appeal in European cases, regs deny; indirect discrimination cases forward to him; right to possession, right to back-dating.

Andy from Gateshead CAB stated carers have been told case closed, no appeal rights now open to appeal due to no appeal time limit having been set.

Doreen Parr remarked the pension department have amended primary evidence, tampering/alteration to prevent backdating.

Richard Gass from Glasgow City Council has observed capital is dependant on purchases i.e. buying a vehicle.

Sue Spriggs from Bolton Borough Council commented on a case where a pension couple SD phoning – not entitled, can be additional?

Keith Spencer from RNID confirmed the above issue has been raised, broader knowledge is required and benefits are massively under-claimed, an issue for the Steering Group to discuss. ‘Know your rights’ packs are available free of charge for organisations, please contact:

Anne Hannah from Edinburgh Council suggested the pension service training issue might not solve the problem, as they don’t make the decisions.

3.Steering Group Report

Chair: Alan Markey requested feedback about the AIMS & OBJECTIVES of NAWRA. A vote was taken including amendments to the document, which is viewable via rightsnet. Amended document attached.

New member is Nel Coles for Wales. East Midlands position is still vacant.

A plea for venue offers as there has been much difficulty organising this. A possible increase in subs to cover venue costs.

There will be publicity about NAWRA in Adviser Magazine article. A list of Regional Steering Group Representatives attached.

4.Morning Workshops

Notes attached as stated below.

5.Afternoon Workshops

Notes attached as stated below.

6.Feedback

Workshops

Tax Credits Overpayments (attached)

- Information is also in December Welfare Rights Bulletin

- Tax Credit – 64/8 Mandate call 0845 900 404

Burden of Proof ICB (attached)

PCA Assessments (attached)

- Copy of form available from Tom Laidler South Tyneside

DDA Provisions (attached)

HB Pathfinder Pilot (attached)

7.Next Meeting/s

Blackpool on 11th June – confirmed.

Glasgow in September – unconfirmed.

Wolverhampton in December – unconfirmed.