Impl.&Conf. WG: Meeting MinutesOrlando, Jan. 2009
Implementation/Conformance Meeting Minutes
Kyoto Working Group Meeting, May 10-16, 2009
QUARTER 1, Tuesday 12 May 2009
AttendanceName / Organization / eMail
Kavanagh, Richard / NHS CfH, UK /
Oemig, Frank / HL7 Germany, Agfa Healthcare /
Gilbert, Jane / AHML /
Agenda
# / Key / Description / Presenter / Action Needed / Time1 / Call to Order / 9:25
2 / Approval of Agenda
3 / Announcements
4 / Approval of this Meeting agenda
5 / Follow-Up Action Items
6 / motion to dissolve this group
7 / 3 year roadmap
8 / Adjournment / 10:35
Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by the chair at 9:25. Frank Oemig is co-chair and scribe.
Agenda approval
No v2.7 discussion as there are no comments concerning 2B.
Vote
SEQ / Key / Motion / Moved/second / Y-N-A / CommentMotion to accept / Jane/Richard / 2-0-0
Announcements
Jason is unable to attend due to a flight delay.
We do not have quorum.
Approval of this Orlando WGM Meeting Agenda
no quorum
Dissolve this group
We have to make the TSC aware of the problems of this group. Others (ArB, MnM, EHR, Tools) are working on our topics without notice. This was raised at the SD meeting without consequences/follow-ups. Therefore we have to formalize it.
First we need to discuss it with Ioana, Woody and Charlie to get their thoughts. This could be done personally or by email.
Open Action Items
#605: conformance levels
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area1 / submit v04 to list / Frank / Jan 2009
17.3.09: sent v05 / done / v2.8
#608: Optionality in v2.x
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area2 / Discuss this proposal with InM. / Frank / discussion will be Wed Q1 / open / v2.8
#612: Message Validation in v2.x
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area3 / describe conformance requirements and statements including the anticipated results / Rob S. / Rob has send a document to the list, but it still needs discussion / open / v2.8
#613: Profile Version ID
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area4 / update chapter 2B / Rob S. / no update / open / v2.8
#614: Profiling Repeating Elements
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area5 / update chapter 2B / Pete R. / no update / open / v2.8
v2.x Tools (Rob)
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area6 / NIST generates the message profiles for v2.x already. Upload those to the v2.x message profile registry.
(Check with the OIDs. Profiles must have an OID in the end.) / Rob / no update / open / v2.8
7 / talk to Eric Poiseau about IHE message profiles / Frank
Jane / no update
Jane will talk with him. / open / v2.8
11 / check with NHS for v2.x message profiles; if possible upload them to the registry / Richard / new / v2.8
Wiki: Add links to specifications/implementation guides
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area12 / UK NHS find out about available implementation guides and add them to the wiki / Richard / new
13 / UK NHS has computable conformance guides: find out and inform committee / Richard / new
14 / ask other co-chairs to add links to implementation guides to the wiki / Jane / new
Incorporation of a third party test for V3 (Jason, Charlie)
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area10 / send conformance level proposal to Charlie / Frank / done with #1;
invite Charlie to our group for discussion / open / v2.8/
V3?
Dissolve this group
As listed above.
3 year roadmap
no access without WLAN.
SEAEF: ECCF (preparation for 2nd quarter)
very first and quick review.
Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 10:35 am.
QUARTER 2, Tuesday 12 May 2009
AttendanceName / Organization / eMail
Kavanagh, Richard / NHS CfH, UK /
Oemig, Frank / HL7 Germany, Agfa Healthcare /
Gilbert, Jane / AHML /
Natarajan ; Ravi / NHS /
Mead, Charlie / NCI/II4ISM / ?
Agenda
# / Key / Description / Presenter / Action Needed / Time1 / Call to Order / 11:00
2 / SAEAF: Conformance / Charlie Mead
3 / Adjournment / 12:30
Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by the chair at 11:00. Frank Oemig is co-chair and scribe.
SEAEF: ECCF
The documents are on the ArB website.
Charlie presents the background on SAEAF: RM-ODP.
Alignment of terms: conformance, compliance, consistency, traceability, compatibility
Charlie Mead has taken RCnL, chp.2b, proposal #605 and perhaps others to synchronize the different terms and to align with the concepts.
Strong discussion about the different concepts in behind – accompanied by the usability of RM-ODP. RM-ODP as it is used is not sufficient: some of the drawings in the ECCF document and the PPT are wrong, e.g. as source-target relationships get lost and some of the links are defined as "plug-ins into the cells".
Here the model provided by Bernd Blobel is much more applicable. Charlie will re-read the appropriate documents.
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area15 / submit SAEAF ECCF document to list
submit the URL as well / Jane / new
16 / find a better title for #605 / Frank / new
17 / read ECCF and provide comments / all / new
SWOT
We have discussed the current list, but according to the recent activities it must be updated:
Topic / Item / Action ItemStrength
people want guidance on implementation and conformance
we have qualified team members
other groups collaborate and provide input / delete
Weaknesses
we have very limited resources due to low attendance / update
unawareness in other groups
low feedback on open work items / add
inconsistent attendance at t-cons resulting in low interest / add
Opportunities
ICWG = central group to collect information from real projects
SAEAF initiative and SOA are new paradigms requiring new conformance guidance / add
enhance guidance for v2.x
enhance guidance for V3
example of conformance profile for v3
Threats
waste of resources and inconsistency strategy in work packages
lack of awareness of other groups (working on conformance specifications without notice) / add
**other committees do "their work" without any notification
**other committees do work, that should be done by ICWG
Goals
create alignment between v2 and v3 conformance
an FAQ for implementers (website) / upate
get more people involved in the ICWG
engage with other groups like SD and SOA / add
clarify with TSC about our mission and responsibilities / add
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Areaupdate wiki page / Frank / new + done
Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 12:30 pm.
QUARTER 3, Tuesday 12 May 2009
AttendanceName / Organization / eMail
Oemig, Frank / HL7 Germany, Agfa Healthcare /
Gilbert, Jane / AHML /
Ploeg, Frank / HL7 Netherlands /
McCauley, Vince / McCauley Software /
Agenda
# / Key / Description / Presenter / Action Needed / Time1 / Call to Order / 13:45
2 / 3 year roadmap / Jane
3 / v2.8 proposals / Frank
4 / Adjournment / 15:00
Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by the chair at 13:45. Frank Oemig is co-chair and scribe.
Agenda approval
v2.8 proposals
#605: conformance levels
Short introduction into this proposal to the new attendees.
We need to find a better title as most of the readers have a distinct assumption of what this document is about: "Conformance Documentation Hierarchy".
This proposal should also work with integration profiles and V3+CDA.
It is a hierarchy of documentation and incorporates/assumes a process to compare/test the documents.
A drawing has been dveloped which will become part of the next version of #605.
Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 15:20 am.
QUARTER 4, Tuesday 12 May 2009
AttendanceName / Organization / eMail
Kavanagh, Richard / NHS CfH, UK /
Oemig, Frank / HL7 Germany, Agfa Healthcare /
Gilbert, Jane / AHML /
McCauley, Vince / McCauley Software /
Ploeg, Frank / HL7 Netherlands /
Agenda
# / Key / Description / Presenter / Action Needed / Time1 / Call to Order / 15:30
2 / MnM Core Principles: Binding Syntax / Frank
3 / September meeting planning / Frank
4 / Adjournment / 17:00
Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by the chair at 15:30. Frank Oemig is co-chair and scribe.
MnM Core Principles: Binding Syntax
In the "Core Principles" document in MB21 it states that some kind of syntax description in necessary to specify which value set must be used. In MB22 the proposal is replaced with a statement, that ICWG is working on it.
The group is not aware of this request.
We have presented both documents and discussed the problems. We feel that someone additional expertise from vocabulary is required. We also will have a meeting on this issue on Thursday in Q1.
Meeting Schedule for t-cons
Region / expected Participants / CommentUS East coast / Jason, NIST, Myra, Pete
US West coast / - / excluded
Europe / Frank
Australia / Jane
These are our options:
Melbourne / US East Coast / Europe / result9pm / 7am / 1pm / no attendance from US
5am / 3pm / 9pm / too early in Meldbourne
6:30am / 4:30pm / 10:30pm / we will try this time
7am / 5pm / 11pm / travel time in US
Attract more People
committees doing conformance stuff, i.e. writing specifications:
- EHR
- ArB
- MnM
- Vocabulary
- SOA
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area16 / talk to the different committees to attract more people / all / new
17 / request joint meetings with the above committees to discuss their conformance requirements / Jane, Frank, Jason / new
Presentation on EIS specification: conformance
EIS is an abstract specification of services, which must be implemented as well. Therefore, #605 also fits in here.
URL:
Here, also other specifications can be found: CTS2, DSS, RLUS, RASCI, ..
and further information: HSSP overview, practical guide to SOA in healthcare
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area18 / invite Ken Rubin to talk about SOA / Jane / new
SWOT
Final updates on table above.
Implementation Guide project
Sarah has collected a few items. Most of it refers to publicly available websites. We will use this information to update the wiki website.
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area19 / send email to list inviting for update on implementation guide wiki page: contributions / Frank / new
Meeting Planning
see wiki space for latest news.
Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 17:05 pm.
QUARTER 1, Thursday 14 May 2009 (Joint with Vocab)
AttendanceName / Organization / eMail
Oemig, Frank / HL7 Germany, Agfa Healthcare /
Gilbert, Jane / AHML /
Agenda
# / Key / Description / Presenter / Action Needed / Time1 / Call to Order / 9:00
2 / Binding Syntax
3 / Adjournment
Call to Order
The meeting was called to order by the chair at 9:25. Frank Oemig is co-chair and scribe.
Binding Syntax
Binding Syntax – Refers to binding of terminology to models and how you implement terminology conformance in v3. This section was previously in the core principles document and has been noted that this should be contained in a conformance section and not core principles. Discussed that a new conformance section should be written, probably two as some parts need to be normative and some informative.
Action Items
# / Description / Who / History/Update / Status / Area20 / IC to write project proposal. / Frank / new
21 / Ted provide thinking on syntax. / Ted / new
22 / Vocab will update core principle to include some confromance stuff and send to IC and invite to a joint call. / Vocab / new
Adjournment
Meeting adjourned at 10:35 am.
Issues for the next WGM
- Minutes approval for Orlando and Kyoto
- Checking with follow-up items
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