May, 2008 IEEE P802.15-<15-08-0299-00-wng0>
IEEE P802.15
Wireless Personal Area Networks
Project / IEEE P802.15 Interest Group for Wireless Neighborhood Area Networks (WNANs)Title / <IEEE802.15 NAN IG minutes>
Date Submitted / [15 May, 2008]
Source / [Pat Kinney]
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Re: / [802.15 Interim Meeting in Jacksonville, FL]
Abstract / [IEEE 802.15 NAN IG Minutes]
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IEEE 802.15 Interim Meeting – Session #54
Hyatt Regency, Jacksonville, FL
May 12th-15th, 2008
Monday, 12 May 2008
1:36 Ed Callaway (Motorola), NAN IG Chair, called the meeting to order. Attendance is included as Annex A.
Guidelines for IEEE meetings
· Chair read the guidelines for IEEE members.
Agenda 08/252r2 was approved upon neither discussion nor dissent.
1:39 Smart Grid Communications (15-08-245-00-0000) by Phil Slack & George Cosio (Florida Power and Light)
· Why not a narrow band connection to broadband Internet? Practical experience shows issues with resilience.
2:01 PG&E Smart Grid Discussion (15-08-0297-00-0000) by Chris Knudsen (PG&E)
· Area is large, is 10-mile link range sufficient? We can use relay devices to accommodate longer ranges
· Issues with customer fear of RF radiation? Has not run into this fear due to today’s acceptance of wireless such as WiFi and cellular.
2:25 IG-NAN: Nature of Requirements (15-08-271-00-wng0) by George Flammer (Silver Springs Network)
· Coexistence between this network and other sources? Coexistence benefits from the duty cycle of these devices being very low (10 sec/day). Dynamic power control is also very helpful.
· What about future environments when there are many more sources of distributed energy? This network empowers the two-way direction of power transfer.
3:00 meeting recessed
4:00 Ed Callaway, IG chair, called the IG meeting to order
Smart Grid and the 802 Wireless Ecosystem (08/244r0) by Jay Ramasastry (Silver Springs Network)
· 15.4 is a technology, what are the technical requirements
· All 802 technologies were evaluated and the following presentation will distill the technical requirements
IG NAN (08/270r0) by George Flammer (Silver Springs Network)
· 15.4 implementations have performed better than the standard’s requirements; so couldn’t the standard be changed to recognize this additional performance? Good question for follow-on study group
· Frequency Hopping if channel is greater than 250 KHz? Number of channels are decreased along with transmit power.
MAC Requirements for Utility Networks (08/272r0) by Ben Rolfe (Blind Creek Associates)
· Pre-healing vs. self healing – so you’re looking at the quality of the link? Yes, but beyond that onto the path quality.
· What kind of security is required? Need multiple layer security: low layer-authentication and encryption, policy-based security, protect network, transport – application security. Remote key management, mesh network protection.
· Other applications for smart grid other than electricity? Gas and water are additional elements on this grid.
· Other uses for this type of network other than smart grid? Past experience indicates that there will be new uses for this type of network.
· Overlap with TG4e? Yes, there are many overlaps and synergies with TG4e
Suggested Actions Items for NAN group (08/280r0) by J Pace (Silver Springs Network)
· Given that the grid running at capacity, does the smart grid help us? Yes by load shedding.
· What about other services being offered via this network; does this network allow these services? The study group should address this aspect. IP connectivity would allow significant additional uses.
4:43 Interest in NAN
· Should IEEE 802 form a study group for Neighborhood Area Networks?
o 24/0/1
· Should the IEEE 802 form a study group for Neighborhood Area Networks would you participate in the group?
o 21/0/4
· Motion: authorize the Chair to request that the Working Group seek authorization to form a Study Group to develop the PAR and 5C documents for the smart utility grid (neighborhood area network)
o Moved by Jay Ramasastry, seconded by Clint Powell
o Upon no discussion the vote was taken with the results of 23/0/2, motion carries
o Paul Dixon and Ben Rolfe volunteered to be the chair of the Study Group.
· AoB
5:54 IG adjourned
Annex A Attendance = 28
Submission Page XXX Pat Kinney, Kinney Consulting LLC
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Submission Page XXX Pat Kinney, Kinney Consulting LLC
May, 2008 IEEE P802.15-<15-08-0299-00-wng0>
Last Name / First Name / AffiliationBain / Jay / Fearn Consulting
Barr / John / Motorola
Bhatti / Ghulam / Mitsubishi Electric
Britz / David / AT&T
Callaway / Ed / Motorola
Chang / Soo-Young / CSUS
Cosio / George / Florida Power & Light
Dixon / Paul / HiSilicon
Flammer / George / Silver Springs Network
Gorday / Paul / Motorola
Joo / Seong-Soon / ETRI
Kang / Tae Gyu / ETRI
Kinney / Pat / Kinney Consulting LLC
Knudsen / Chris / PG&E
Lampe / John / Nanotron
Liu / Yong / Samsung
Livneh / Noam / Qualcomm
McInnis / Michael / Boeing
Pace / James / Silver Springs Network
Powell / Clint / Freescale
Ramasastry / Jay / Silver Springs Network
Rasno / Adoule / Industry Canada
Rolfe / Ben / Blind Creek Associates
Ruijter / Henk de / Integration Associates
Sahinoglu / Zafer / Mitsubishi Electric
Slack / Phil / Florida Power & Light
Walewski / Joachim / Siemens
Winkel / Ludwig / Siemens
Submission Page XXX Pat Kinney, Kinney Consulting LLC