January 2014doc.: IEEE 802.11-14/0023r1

IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs

Minutes of the IEEE P802.11 Full Working Group
Date: 2014-01-20
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / email
Stephen McCann / BlackBerryLtd / 200 Bath Road, Slough, Berkshire, SL1 3XE, UK / +44 1753 667099 /

IEEE 802.11 Interim Meeting – Session #143

Hyatt Century Plaza, Los Angeles, California, USA

January20th– 24th,2014

IEEE 802 Wireless Opening Plenary, Monday, 20thJanuary 2014

8:03 802.11, 802.15, 802.16, 802.18, 802.19, 802.21, 802.22, and 802.24 Chairs called the joint meeting to order. IEEE 802.15 attendance is included as Annex A.

General announcements:

  • No photography, no audio recording
  • Social – will be at the Lucky Strike bowling alley
  • Straw Poll of new attendees: 5

8:08 IEEE patent policy

  • 802.15 WG chair read the IEEE-SA instructions and displayed the four slides explaining patent policy and informed the attendees that additional information could be found on the PatCom web site.
  • 802.15 WG chair read IEEE anti-trust policy.

8:13 Financial report by Jon Rosdahl (CSR) docs 11-14-0084-02, 15-14-0030-02

Net Worth

Sept 1, 2013 – $409,424.40

IEEE account: $386,061.74 +85.67-$21,515.00+88.07+83.64 = $364,804.12

Face-to-Face: $193,000.31 - $146,358.20 -$1,982.86 - $39.00 = $44,620.25

Oct 31, 2013 – $409,466.33

IEEE account: $364,804.12 + $80.96 = $364,885.08

Face-to-Face: $44,620.25 – 39 + 9600 – 147.75 = $54,033.50

Dec 31, 2013 – $597,980.08

IEEE account: $364,885.08 + 83.67 + 80.99 + 21,515 -25 = $386,539.74

Face-to-Face: $44,581.25 + 95,700 – 32,306.83 +104,850 – 10,836.33 = $211,440.34

Century City, CA - January 2014

Proposed BudgetEstimated Budget

(Nov 2013)(Jan 2014)

Registration Income: $200,250$268,050

– Hotel Credits $0 $ 7,600

– Registrations 300 402

Meeting Expense Estimate: $209,563 $275,753

– AV $17,000 $17,000

– Financial Fees $10,513 $ 13,902

– Meeting Planner $38,000 $ 45,750

– Food & Beverage $85,000 $122,000

– Network Services $36,000 $ 57,000

– Social $18,000 $ 28,500

– Shipping $ 6,500 $ 4,000

– Misc $ 1,400 $ 1,600

Surplus/(Deficit) $(9,313) $ (103)

8:17 Wireless and IMAT announcements by Rick Alfvin (15-14-035-00)

8:19 Review future sessions

  • March 16-21, 2014, China World Hotel, Beijing PRC, 802 Plenary Session.
  • May 11-16, 2014, Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA, 802 Wireless Interim Session*
  • July 13-18, 2014, Grand Hyatt Manchester, San Diego, CA, USA, 802 Plenary Session.
  • September 14-19, 2014, Hilton Athens, Athens, Greece, 802 Wireless Interim Session*
  • November 2-7, 2014, Grand Hyatt San Antonio, San Antonio, TX, USA, 802 Plenary Session
  • January 18-23, 2015 Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Atlanta, GA, USA Interim*
  • (Either March 15-20, 2015 Barcelona - Spain or March 8-13, 2015 – Berlin) Plenary
  • May 10-15, 2015 TBC - Possibly Hyatt Regency Vancouver Interim*

8:25 Working Group Updates

  • 802.11 by B Kraemer, Marvell; (11-13-1485-00): 330 voters, 27 potential voters
  • TGREVmc - Revision
  • TGac - VHT <6GHz – in Sponsor Ballot
  • TGaf- TVWS - in Letter Ballot
  • TGah- Sub 1GHz
  • TGai – Fast Initial Link Setup (FILS)
  • TGaj – China 45& 60 GHz bands (CMMW)
  • TGak – General Link (GLK)
  • TGaq – Pre-Association Discovery (PAD)
  • Standing Committees:
  • WNG - WIRELESS NEXT GENERATION
  • ARCHITECTURE
  • JTC1
  • REGULATORY
  • Study Groups:
  • High efficiency Wireless LAN (HEW)
  • 802.15 by B Heile (134 voters, 12 nearly voters)
  • TG4m: TVWS (submitted to RevCom)
  • TG4n: CMB (getting ready for letter ballot)
  • TG4p: RCC (submitted to RevCom)
  • TG4q: ULP (Ultra Low Power) – hearing proposals
  • TG8: PAC (Peer Aware Communications) working on draft document
  • TG9: KMP (Key Management Protocol) draft development
  • TG10-L2R: Layer 2 Routing, collaborating with 802.1
  • SG 3d 100G 100Gbps THz
  • SG-SRU (Spectrum Resource Utilization)
  • SG 4r Distance Measurement Technologies (DMT)
  • SG 4s EU Band Coordination
  • SG 7a Optical Camera Communications
  • IG 6tisch
  • IG Dependability
  • 802.16 by Roger Marks (12 voters)
  • TG: 802.16q (heterogeneous)
  • TG: 802.16r (small cell backhaul)
  • TG: 802.16.3 (metrology)
  • Note: SDN open meeting at AM1, Thursday
  • 802.18 by M Lynch (10 voters)
  • FCC: review of RF exposure, 5 GHz discussion, etc.
  • ITU-R : response to use of radio in smart grid
  • 802.19 S Shellhammer (Qualcomm) (44 voters)
  • Coexistence in TV whitespace: sponsor ballot passed (91% approval), resolving 102 comments
  • 802.21 Subir Das (20 voters, 2 nearly)
  • TG21c – single radio handover – sponsor ballot (98% approval, no comments)
  • TG21d – multicast group management – resolving comments from letter ballot
  • TG21m – revision project
  • TG21.1 – media independent services and use cases – just started
  • 802.22 Aperva Mody (34 voters)
  • TG22.1 revision project
  • SG22.2 spectrum occupation sensing
  • TG22b – enhancement for broadband services and monitoring applications
  • 802.24 James Gilb (39 voters)
  • Response to ITU-R question 236r1
  • Discuss scope expansion, e.g. nuts and bolts of IoTs
  • OmniRAN ECSG by Max Riegel (hosted by 802.1)
  • Technical aspects
  • Coordination aspects

9:00 Joint meeting adjourned

IEEE 802.11Opening Plenary, Monday 20thJanuary 2014

The chair Bruce Kraemer(Marvell Semiconductor) opened the meeting at 09:04Pacific Standard Time (PST). The other officers are:

1st Vice-chair (VC1):Jon RosdahlCSR Technologies Inc

2ndVice-chair(VC2):Adrian StephensIntel

Secretary:Stephen McCannBlackBerry Ltd

There are 330 voting members of IEEE 802.11

There were 184 people in the room.

  1. Approve/modify joint opening agenda(11-13-1484r3)

1.1.Chair: I’ve re-arranged some of the meeting slots from the version posted 30 days ago.

1.2.So are there any more modifications required at this moment?

1.3.None

1.4.The agenda r2on the server will be uploaded shortly.

1.5.No objection to the approval of the r3 agenda.

  1. WG minutes

2.1.Secretary: Both the November 2013 (Dallas) and January 2014 (Sanya) WG minutes are now ready for approval.

2.2.Review and approve joint minutes from the Dallas, November 2013 meeting.

2.3.Any objection to approving the November 2013 minutes 11-13-1362r1 by unanimous consent

2.4.Moved: Stephen McCann, 2nd: Stuart Kerry

2.5.Question (Q): Do these minutes have a forward reference to the January 2014 Sanya meeting

2.6.Secretary: Yes

2.7.Following neither discussion nor dissent these minutes were approved by unanimous consent.

2.8.Review and approve joint minutes from the Sanya, January 2014 meeting.

2.9.Any objection to approving the January 2014 minutes 11-14-0017r0 by unanimous consent

2.10.Moved: Stephen McCann, 2nd: Jon Rosdahl

2.11.Following neither discussion nor dissent these minutes were approved by unanimous consent.

  1. Notices

3.1.No photographs at this meeting and please turn your mobiles to vibrate.

3.2.Comment(C): Please can the secretary note that IEEE does not allow recording of any meetings.

  1. Attendance

4.1.Welcome to the 6new participants in this meeting.

4.2.Chair: Please note that Stephen McCann (Secretary) will be holding a newcomer’s session at 13:30 this afternoon, presenting the document 11-13-0049r3.

4.3.Chair: Please note that there is also a help desk outside in the foyer area and a networking desk.

  1. Treasurers report (11-14-0084r1)

5.1.VC1: This is the current budget status, which is shared with IEEE 802.15.

5.2.There will be an update on meeting attendance later in the week.

5.3.No questions

  1. Call for essential Patents(11-14-0085r0)

6.1.VC1: read out the currentPatCom rules and then called for essential patents information, as shown by:

6.2.

6.3.There were no issues raised regarding the call for essential patents.

6.4.VC1: read out other policies and procedures for the meeting.

6.5.Also please remember the documentation guidelines and please update all changes to those documents presented.

6.6.Some of the links on slide #10 are broken, but are being updated at the moment. I would like to ask for an agenda item to be added to the mid-week plenary to discuss this further and also some other updates on the rules and policy documentation.

6.7.Chair: Yes.

6.8.VC1: Please note our guidelines for all IEEE 802.11 documents including agendas and minutes.

6.9.Q: Please note that this presentation has November 2013 in the corner, but it’s a 2014 document.

6.10.Answer (A): Yes, thanks. I’ll correct that in the next version.

  1. Status of all groups (11-13-1485r1)

7.1.Appointed Positions (slide #7)

7.2.Please note that these appointed positions will be updated in March 2014, during the IEEE 802 Working Group chair elections

7.3.Open Positions (slide #8)

7.3.1.There are two open positions for officers as shown in this slide.

7.4.Missing Officers (slide #9)

7.4.1.There are a couple of missing people this week, as shown in grey on this slide.

7.4.2.Yongho Seok is the current TGah pro-tem chair in Dave Halasz’s absence.

7.4.3.Chair: I would like to thank Dave Halasz for all his efforts over the years.

7.4.4.There is no candidate for the Regulatory Standing Committee.

  1. Announcements (11-13-1486r0)

8.1.LoA database

8.1.1.There are currently 0entries for 2014 and some pending, as mentioned earlier. 9 LoA requests have been sent out, which have not been responded to.

8.2.Hotel Rooms

8.2.1.Please note that IEEE 802.11 has no meetings on the California level this week.

8.3.Room Assignments

8.3.1.No changes at this point.

8.4.IEEE 802 items

8.4.1.Other IEEE 802 groups are meeting in other rooms and their agendas are on the mentor document server. Note that IEEE 802.22 is working on a new PAR this week.

8.5.March 2014 Plenary

8.5.1.Please note that he early bird cut off for the March2014 plenary registrations is on 7thFebruary 2014.

8.6.IEEE-SA Staff

8.6.1.There is no one officially attending from IEEE-SA this week.

8.7.Wednesday Social

8.7.1.Please note this is off-site as shown in slide #19.

8.8.11ac and 11af Awards

8.8.1.These will occur during the May 2014 meeting in Hawaii.

8.9.Wednesday Mid-Week Plenary Topics (slide #24)

8.9.1.There will be discussions about these topics are shown on the slide on Wednesday

8.10.IEEE 802.1Architecture Document (slide #25)

8.10.1.This will be discussed during the IEEE 802.11 ARC meeting this week.

8.11.March 2014 Plenary topics (slide #26)

8.11.1.This is a list of potential topics for the March 2014 meeting. There will be a couple of tutorials, one of which is about IoT (Internet of Things)

  1. Voting status, attendance, meeting network & documentation (11-14-0036r0)

9.1.VC2: This document provides all the information about attendance, documentation and other news about the group.

9.2.VC1: Please note that we are running just a secure WLAN network this week, following some security issues at the November 2013 meeting.

9.3.The latest ANA database is 11-11-0270r19 and was updated in January 2014.

9.4.Please use the IMAT system for attendance. If you have problems please send VC2 an email.

9.5.There are 18 normal slots this week although there are extra evening and early morning slots.

9.6.Please note that there is online calendar suitable for downloading to smart phone and tablets.

9.7.If you wish to synchronize with the local document server, please do so, rather than using the external bandwidth from the hotel meeting venue.

9.8.C: Please note that the Griffin domain name no long exists, it is now “newton.verilan.meeting.com”

  1. Group Summaries(11-13-1485r0)

10.1.Editor’s meeting

10.1.1.Tomorrow morning at 7.00am, including the ANA status, style guides and numbering situation.

10.2.Extra notes for the following groups were made:

10.3.WNG

10.3.1.There are 3 presentations currently scheduled for Thursday morning AM1.

10.3.2.Regulatory

10.3.3.C: the Tuesday meeting will be spent addressing a letter to go to the FCC for approval, whereas Thursday will be for other business.

  1. Recent Ballots(11-13-1485r0 slide #40)

11.1.Chair: There have been no recent ballots.

  1. Recess

12.1.Meeting recessed at 10:07PST.

Wednesday, 22nd January 2014

IEEE 802.11 Mid Week Plenary

Presiding chair: Bruce Kraemer (Marvell) opened the meeting at 10:32PST.

173people present.

  1. Approve/modify joint opening agenda(11-13-1484r4)

13.1.Chair: Are there any proposed changes?

13.2.Any objection to approving this agenda?

13.3.No objection, so moved and approved.

  1. Call for Essential Patents

14.1.The call for essential patents from Monday still applies. Are there any announcements.

14.2.No statements

  1. CAC

15.1.Reminder about the 19.30PSTmeeting on Thursday.

  1. Announcements (11-13-1486r2)

16.1.Software Defined Radio (11-13-1486r2) slide #33

16.2.Chair: Please that this new discussion will occur tomorrow as shown tomorrow.

16.3.Social (Lucky Strike Bowling Alley)

16.4.Please note that the 1st bus for the social this evening will start at 5.45pm. Please obtain any guest tickets from the IEEE 802 registration desk.

  1. Liaisons

17.1.Bluetooth SIG

17.1.1.Chair: there is still no official liaison for this group.

17.2.Wi-Fi alliance (WFA)

17.2.1.Last meeting was in October 2013 in Brussels, so I have already reported progress in the November 2013.

17.2.2.Of main interest, there is a new temporary group that has been created within WFA to consider the HEW SG liaison.

17.2.3.There are about 24 projects, covering aspects of 11u, 11v, 11ac, 11ad and other 802.11 amendments

17.2.4.The next WFA meeting is in Singapore in March 2014.

17.2.5.No questions

17.3.IETF(11-14-0100r0)

17.3.1.Q: Should some of the pervasive monitoring aspects within IETF be also discussed with IEEE 802.11?

17.3.2.A: I understand that this will be discussed at the IEEE 802 level. Going forward, perhaps a presentation within WNG would be appropriate.

17.4.3GPP(11-14-0154r0)

17.4.1.Q: Regarding the untrusted Wi-Fi in the lower right hand corner of the diagram on slide #3, where is the AP in this diagram. Is it in the ePDG?

17.4.2.A: No, it’s within the untrusted Wi-Fi cloud in the bottom right hand corner. ePDG means “enhanced Packet Data Gateway”.

17.4.3.Q: I see that the presentation mentions CAPWAP (slide #3). Is this still to be used?

17.4.4.A: I’m not sure about that, but I’ll try to find out for you.

  1. Meeting Venue Volunteer update

18.1.1.VC1: I would like to ask for volunteers for future meetings, for example suggesting restaurants for people with specific dietary requirements.

18.1.2.At the moment, I’m looking for people who can help with Beijing. A small ad-hoc group of people would create some recommendations that we can put on the face-to-face page for the March 2014 meeting.

18.1.3.In addition, there is also the Waikoloa meeting in Hawaii, which I would appreciate help with.

18.1.4.Any volunteers? If not, please contact me afterwards.

  1. Webex Experiment(11-14-0036r2)

19.1.1.VC2: This is the current situation with the IEEE-SA Webex facility that various groups have been using for the last few weeks.

19.1.2.Chair: We are currently talking to IEEE-SA about this going forward.

19.1.3.Q: When using a PC, muting causes a problem with a recording that means you can’t hear the conversation.

19.1.4.A: Yes, we know about that particular issue and apparently nothing can be done.

19.1.5.Comment (C): Using a local mute does not work well for an echo suppression system. We should tolerate that 10 second recording.

19.1.6.VC2: As mentioned, I’ve reported this back to IEEE-SA.

  1. Officer Elections March 2014(11-13-1486r2 slide #37)

20.1.1.Chair: Please note that this is the process that will be followed, when we are in Beijing.

20.1.2.This is only for the working group officers, in other words 3 positions for IEEE 802.11. There are a number of appointed positions that the new chair will decide upon.

20.1.3.Task Group officer election will then take place in May 2014.

20.1.4.No questions

  1. Room change requests(11-13-1486r2 slide #45)

21.1.There are some changes on the room schedule.

21.2.TGah ad-hoc: Please can we release Wednesday PM1 in room “Olympic 1”

21.3.TGai: They would like 3 new slots: Wed PM1, Thu AM2 and Thu PM1.

21.4.Chair: We need to check with face-to-face (the room planners) about the 2 rooms on Thursday, as we’re not sure at the moment

21.5.Chair: Is there any objection to approving these changes (if possible with the room planners)?

21.6.VC1: Rooms have now been allocated as follows: Thurs AM2: Park, Thurs PM1: Constellation 2. Note: Please can members work through the VC1 to do these arrangements with the room planners, as personal emails directly to them confuse the planning.

  1. Officer Changes

22.1.Chair: Yongho Seok has been nominated as the new chair of TGah.

22.2.I would like to ask for confirmation of his position.

22.3.I also understand that TGah will have a vice-chair and a co-editor later in the week.

22.4.Chair: Note, we will still have a TGah election in May 2014, as per our rules.

22.5.Chair: There is still an open position for the Regulatory chair

  1. Convention on document access (11-14-0036r2 slide #27)

23.1.VC2: Someone who was involved in a project and now longer attends, can’t then upload documents after some time. A former member of TGad, found that he could not upload documents to resolve some issues found in TGmc, during the 11ad roll up.

23.2.C: Such people may need to be also updated about changes in style and format.

23.3.Q: So, if someone attends once, then they would become a life member for write access to the document server. Could we set the bar (threshold) at a former voter instead?

23.4.VC1: But that then changes the entry rules for how you obtain reflector access in the first place.

23.5.C: This is a good proposal. But I also think they will need access to the WG reflector, so they can be made aware of any changes to the rules and procedures.

23.6.VC2: I don’t think there’s any conflict of state as mentioned earlier.

23.7.VC2: I’ll bring this back on Friday, after taking your comments into consideration.

  1. Regulatory liaison letter (11-14-0025r5)

24.1.Chair: this is a liaison letter from Regulatory to IEEE 802.18, regarding a DSRC sharing scheme at the upper end of the 5 GHz band.

24.1.1.Submit 802.11REG SC document 11-14/25r5 to 802.18 and subsequent forwarding to the FCC.

24.1.2.Moved on behalf of the Regulatory Group: Second Stuart Kerry.

24.1.3.[REG SC results: Moved: John Notor, Second: Stephen McCann, Y – 22, N – 0, A – 0]

24.1.4.No objection to approving by unanimous consent.

  1. LTE-U (11-13-1486r2)

25.1.Chair: Here is some brief information about the potential use of LTE in unlicensed spectrum.

25.2.C: It’s also worth noting that in Europe, some people are referring to the use of LTE in the VHF/UHF bands also as LTE-U.

25.3.IEEE 802 Chair: Will IEEE 802.11 consider having a liaison with 3GPP on this topic?

25.4.Chair: There is currently no liaison on the floor. Generally speaking 3GPP would prefer not to have a liaison with IEEE 802.11.

25.5.Q: what about the IEEE 802.11 – 3GPP liaison officer?

25.6.A: That role is to just to report on 3GPP activities regarding WLAN. There has not been any formal agreement for exchange of documents. If a specific topic wants to be raised and liaised to 3GPP then a letter can easily be crafted.

  1. TGak Ad-Hoc (11-14-0050r1)

26.1.TGak Chair: This is a proposal to have a TGak ad-hoc in May 2014 in Hawaii.

  1. Working Group Motions (Old Business) (11-14-0144r0)

27.1.TGak Ad-hoc(slide #4)

27.1.1.Authorize TGak to hold an ad hoc meeting in Hawaii at the end of the week before the Waikoloa meeting in May for the purpose of developing draft improvements and comment resolutions.

27.1.2.Moved: Donald Eastlake 3rd on behalf of TGak

27.1.3.[TG result: Mover: Dick Roy, Seconder: Mark Hamilton,Vote: 7-0-2]

27.1.4.No objection to approving by unanimous consent.

27.1.5.Chair: Please can you send the logisticsinformation to the WG email reflector.

  1. TGac drafts

28.1.VC2: Following publication, the TGac drafts and other material will now be removed from the web-site.

  1. Graphical Formats (11-11-0875r3)

29.1.VC2: Please note the following rules about graphics and figures for drafts.

29.2.Basically I would prefer Visio. If it’s not in Visio, then at some point, someone will have to re-draw it in Visio. Please note that this is just a recommendation.

29.3.Q: within TGaq, the request was for separate figures within documents to be saved as separate images.