November 2004 doc.: 18-03-0061-00-0000
IEEE 802.18
Radio Regulatory - TAG
Minutes Telecon
Date: November 5, 2004
Author: Denis Kuwahara
The Boeing Company
Seattle, WA
Phone: 425-957-5366
Fax: 425-865-6066
Denis
Abstract
These are the minutes of the ad hoc telecon meeting held on 5 November 2004 which was scheduled during the prior telecon meeting held on 29 October 2004 and was the details for which were published on the 802.18 reflector.
The acting Chair of the meeting was Denis Kuwahara
The agenda for the meeting is to continue development of comments to FCC NPRM ET 04-186. This session focused on review of changes to the proposed rules that were part of Appendix B in the NPRM. John Notor edited and had circulated the document via the reflector, of the teams proposed changes. The team presented the rules for discussion on the telecom and the group discussed their changes.
Gerald Chouinard had circulated comments to the proposed changes and discussed them on the telecon as well.
The proposed rules with both sets of comments along with the telecon comments will be circulated via the reflector to the group to be used as discussion for the NPRM comments draft 15g.
Next telecon meeting will be on 12 November 2004 at Noon Eastern.
These are the minutes of the 802.18 RR-TAG telecon meeting held on Friday 5 November 2004.
Acting Chair Denis Kuwahara called the meeting to order at 9:05am PST with ten individuals on the telecon.
The agenda for the meeting is to continue work on comment preparation for the FCC NPRM ET 04-186. Draft comment document d15g had been circulated by the acting Chair via the reflector to the group prior to the meeting. John Nortor had circulated the latest revision to Appendix B, proposed revision to the rules also via the reflector prior to the meeting. Gerald Chouinard circulated his comments to the proposed rules on the reflector as well.
Previously, work on attaining consensus on comments for three sections of document had been put on hold until the proposed rules were available. The writers of the proposed rules presented their thinking while reviewing the rules. John Notor edited the “Appendix B revision notor_schiffer_waltho_Nov2r2” for the group. During the meeting, Denis put comments into the document based on agreed to discussion points that came up.
Following the presentation by the proposed rules editors, Gerald reviewed his comments/changes to the rules. Denis put comments into a copy of that document as well. Following the meeting Denis plans on combining the two presentations into a single document to capture both presenters input and the comments that were made during the meeting.
Additional comments during the proposed rules discussion that did not pertain to a specific section of the rules and are of general information interest are captured here:
Jeff Schiffer acknowledges the propagation data that Victor Tawil has provided, Alan used the data and compared to other models refined the detection threshold.
The rules team expressed concern with unlicensed devices operating at greater than one watt transmit power and set the rules accordingly -- (Gerald to discuss this more when reviewing his comments) – personal portable need TPC to protect TV Receivers.
General comments on the proposed rules sections:
b) ERP 100mW 0dB antenna omni
Carl had conversation with FCCs Bruce Franca who agreed to higher power operation for unlicensed devices, especially in the rural environment.
a) There is a need to match with the NPRM comments
c)_ same
d) 20 dB in 6MHz channel, concern with what happens in adjacent channel needs to be 40 dB **** need to revisit this – does this depend on modulation format?? ***
e) 3. Added DFS for wireless microphones
g) no changes
L) Ahern feels that all devices must do sensing and share the information among the networked devices -- extend M
Gerald disagrees and will discuss in more detail during his comments which followed John’s review of the teams proposed rules changes.
Gerald proceeds to discuss his comments to the proposed rules. Again, telecon comments are embedded into the draft proposed rules.
Discussion on power levels – consider operating the Regional Base Stations under another R&R Part ?? for data only base station – technical requirements would be similar to part 73 as far as installation processes, and channel identification – might not be a licensed service.
John suggests limit the NPRM comment rules to 1W and let 802.22 fight for more power. Tom- Engineering behind a base station in .22 Gerald is concerned that these comments would define the sandbox and preclude future changes. 15.247 does allow higher power. Carl, given power levels of one watt for now and .22 can develop a case for higher power -- Consensus to stay with 1W but make mention of Fixed Base higher powers subject to further technical studies with potential Light touch licensing regulatory issues similar to LPDTV procedures. Keep foot in door with out putting in mouth .
11:12am
Gerald – consider mesh network – CPE same power level as base.
NC -- Section 10. "FCC Should Adopt a Conservative Approach..." -- Awaiting Notor & Schiffer Rules Appendix
10 – Correction of Peter Ecclesine comment
NC -- Section 16. "IEEE 802.18 Has Only Considered... - We Believe That Fixed P-MP..."
-- Awaiting Notor & Schiffer Rules Appendix
NC -- Section F22. "We Urge a Cautious and Deliberately Paced" -- Awaiting Notor & Schiffer Rules Appendix F39. "Professional Installation Should be Required..." -- Edgar, Gerald to work on input
NC -- Section 55 (was52). "We Believe Spectrum Sensing..." -- Notor & Intel to work in input
A -- Section 77 Hartman title – Change text to read ‘Additional’ not secondary
NC -- Section 85-88 Hartman Chouinard -- Title – text changes – Verify that Ahren agrees with changes then accept
NC -- Section 40 Chouinard Reihl – Title changes – text change
Section 42 is new on Registration of Fixed/Access Base Station
NC -- Section 41-47 Chouinard – text addition
Comments from the telecom along with the proposed rules changes will be distributed prior to the next telecon
Next meeting planned for 12 Nov 9:00 am Pacific
Details on the November 802 plenary in San Antonio, Carl Stevenson is working on scheduling and may hold some joint meetings between .18, and .22, he agrees that a full joint meeting would be disruptive to the comment development process and suggests a possible delegation from .22 to participate in the process. He sees the need for .22 to go through a series of new WG process steps, including: – Introduction of the WG, Proposed set of Policies and Procedure rules, and explanation of . election rules. He anticipates that .22 Officer election would be held Thursday dinner time.
Meeting closed 11:27am PST.
Ahren / Hartman / Jeff / Schiffer / Scott / BlueAlan / Waltho / John / Notor / Steve / Kuffner
Carl / Stevenson / Max / Muterspaugh / Tom / Gurley
Denis / Kuwahara / Michael / Lynch / Victor / Tawil
Gerald / Chouinard / Peter / Murray
Respectfully submitted by Denis Kuwahara
Submission page 3 Denis Kuwahara, Boeing