TELWG Meeting Minutes November 7-8, 20171
1.Welcome, Call to Order, Introductions
Scott Johnson, Telecommunications Work Group (TELWG) Chair, called the meeting to order at 8:20 a.m. A quorum was present for the conducting of business. A list of attendees is attached as Exhibit A. Mr. Johnson asked attendees to introduce themselves.
2.PGAE Facility Familiarization / Emergency Procedure – Dewey Day
DeweyMr. Day, Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E), went over Pacific Gas and Electric’s emergency procedures, location of exits, safety review, and important locations.
3.Antitrust Policy
Evan Paull, Sr. Engineer, read aloud the WECC Antitrust Policy statement. A link to the posted Policy was provided in the meeting agenda.
4.Approve Agenda
Mr. Johnson, >,introduced the proposed meeting agenda.
Mr. Johnson called to approve the agenda. Mr. Skidmore asked if an EncinaFCC application review may be added to the agenda. Mr. Brito asked to have a discussion on ethernet channels with regard toregarding protection traffic. The requested changes were made to the agenda. It was also determined the July closed session minutes will be reviewed at the next WECC meeting.
On a motion by Karl Knoll, the TELWG approved the agenda.
5.Review July 20-21, 2017 Minutes
Mr. Johnson introduced the minutes from the July 20, 2017 meeting.
The open session adjourn time needs clarification, Evan will follow-up.
On a motion by Dewey Day, the TELWG approved the July 20-21, 2017 minutes.
6.Review of the TELWG Voting Procedures Guideline
Mr. Johnson reported that at the last meeting we approved changing the Technical Operations Subcommittee (TOS) voting procedures to the TELWG voting procedure, rather than re-writing them in our own voting guidelines. He reported the TELWG voting procedure guideline was approved at the last meeting and needed the TOS changed to SASAM. Mr. Johnson went through the procedure and found a small change needed to be made. That change, along with “and its member groups” need to be removed. Scott reported he will work on this off-line with Evan and bring it back to the group for further discussion. He also reported this will need to be approved by SASAMs prior to being officially approved. When the voting procedures are cleaned up, they can be sent to the group, if needed.
7.Update TELWG Charter and Vice Chair Discussion
Mr. Johnson reviewed the charter and reported that we approved it at the last meeting. He reviewed the Charter’s leadership section. He reported Dewey Day is leaving the TELWG and moving on to Washington Utilities and Transportation Commission(UTC).. He reported that members that want to fill the Vice Chair position need to have the support of their company. The group will vote on the open position in the next meeting if there are candidates. Members were encouraged to think aboutthe Vice Chair position,and alsoanddetermine if their business can support them if they desire to run for Vice Chair. Mr. Johnson would like to have feedback prior to the next meeting. Mr. Johnson will send an email reminder out to the group.
8.WON (WECC Operations Network)
Mr. Johnson provided an overview of the current issue. He reported Data Exchange and Energy Management System Work Group (DEMSWG) is meeting this week and will further discuss this issue. He also reported the DEMSWG chair has reached out to the California Independent System Operator (CAISO) members for input. TELWG will need to be ready when there is a WON fix that needs our engagement. Mr. Johnson is waiting to hear back from the DMSWG group on their discussion with CAISO to determine how much support is needed from other Western Electricity Coordinating Council (WECC) Utilities.
9.Digital Circuits Synchronization Guideline Update – Drafting Team
MrShaun. Skidmore, Idaho Power Company, said they are the drafting team is still on pace for providing an update to the team by spring 2018. The drafting team had nothing new to report. Nothing new to report.
10.Encina FCC Applications
Mr. Skidmore led a discussion on the ramifications of allowing wireless internet connectivity over the new spectrum, which is only supposed to be used for point-to-point applications. His concern is regarding security risks, with the inability to locate interference from traffic within the same band. Mr. Johnson reported that this issue is in the lower sixth band and will not specifically impact Western Area Power Administration (WAPA), but could impact other networks that they communicate with since they operate in the lower sixth band. He expressed that concern should be raised about Encina operating in this band.
Mr. Johnson was of the impression this traffic should be in the point-to-multi-point band. Mr. Day reported this new change does not follow normal FCC changes and looks different than how others have been handled.
11.WECC Review – Evan Paull
MrEvan. Paull, Sr. Engineer, gave an update about where WECC stands in implementing the OSRTF changes. He said the Generator Operator Work Group will be having their first meeting soon and encouraged anyone who might find value in being involved, address it with their company.
12.RWG and RASRS Meeting on Packet Protection
MrOmar. Brito, Imperial Irrigation District (IID), brought up concerns about the network configuration providing protective relying for a four-terminal scheme using Ethernet channels. He was concerned with bandwidth and timing configurations.
Mr. Skidmore reported they are not doing any Ethernet channels for SEL-411L, but are interfacing them with the C37.94 interface. Mr. Skidmore asked why the latency was 7.8 ms for the eEthernet channel on Mr. Brito’s configuration. Using a diagram Mr. Brito presented Mr. Skidmore and the Nokia representatives reported that he should be able to reduce the latency on these circuits significantly when they go to testing.
13.EPRI Presentation on Packet Networks for Utilities – Jay Herman
MrJay. Herman, Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI), led a presentation on a new Telecommunications Initiative: - serial to packet testing, leased line tele-protection issues (IEEE 487), key considerations on sunset services and equipment, program set 161G (wide area network (WAN), FAN, network Management and Planning), and black sky communications solution evaluation for emergency scenarios/natural disasters.
14.PG&E’s Concord Distribution Control Center Tour
Mr. Day Day led a tour of PG&E’s Concord Distribution Control Center as well as their communications testing lab.
15.SASMS Meeting
The TELWG listened in on the first part of the Situational Awareness and Security Monitoring Subcommittee(SASMS) meeting via webinar.
There was discussion about the WECC Operations Network (WON) authority. A question was asked whether they have the authority to enforce any decisions that are made. There was a presentation from Brian at Salt River Project (SRP)/SRP about a solution for WON.
Mr. Johnson brought up four important items of note. First, we updated our charter and voting procedure. Second, the WON – Mr. Johnson met with Devin and John and reported they have not heard back from AT&T. Third, TELWG is in a holding pattern until we hear back from DMSWG. Finally, our drafting team is working on the digital circuit’s guideline which will be presented in the spring of 2018, then sent to SASMS once completed. It was reported there was a joint meeting held and they have asked for another meeting to get a better understanding of the performance of packet networks.
16.Round Table Discussion
The group went around the table and discussed various items they are dealing with inside their own companies
17.New Action Items
- Mr. Paull will Rremove “and its member groups” from the TELWG Voting Procedures Guideline. WHe will work will ScottMr. Johnson to make sure the document is updated.
- Assigned To: Evan Paull and Scott Johnson
- Due Date: Before Next Meeting
- SMr. Johnson will send an email to the group asking about filling the Vice Chair position.
- Assigned To: Scott Johnson
- Due Date: Before Next Meeting
Mr. Johnson is waiting to hear from DMSWG about CAISO involvement in the WON and how much input from TELWG is needed.
18.Upcoming Meetings
March 8-9, 2018...... Salt Lake City, UT
July 19-20, 2018...... Salt Lake City, UT
October 18-19, 2018...... Salt Lake City, UT
19.Adjourn
Mr. Johnson adjourned the meeting without objection at 11:30 a.m.
Exhibit A: Attendance List
Members in Attendance
Omar Brito...... Imperial Irrigation District
Darin Brummett...... Tri-State Generation & Transmission - Power Management Division
Dewey Day...... Pacific Gas and Electric Company
John Ganley...... Avista Corporation
Scott Johnson...... Western Area Power Administration
Karl Knoll...... Bonneville Power Administration - Transmission
Karl Knoll...... BPA
John McCarthy...... Southern California Edison Company
Arturo Moreno...... Salt River Project
John McCarthy ...... SCE
Darin Brummett (webinar)...... TSGT
Evan Paull ...... WECC
Caleb Murphy...... San Diego Gas & Electric
Caleb Murphy ...... SDGE
John Ganley ...... AVA
Shaun Skidmore...... Idaho Power Company
Shaun Skidmore ...... IPC
Omar Brito ...... IID
Mike Wagner...... Portland General Electric Company
Mike Wagner ...... PGE
Gus ? ...... PGE
Dewey Day ...... PGAE
Matt Barington ...... PGAE
Scott Johnson ...... WAPA
Arturo Moreno ...... SRPMembers not in Attendance
Jerry Anderson...... Arizona Public Service Company
Dave Anderson...... AltaLink Management Ltd.
Mark Arthur...... Los Angeles Department of Water and Power
Julie Barton-Smith...... Bonneville Power Administration
Doug Brennan...... Puget Sound Energy, Inc.
Boubacar Diallo...... British Columbia Hydro & Power Authority
Daniel Diaz...... Imperial Irrigation District
Jack Dresher...... Imperial Irrigation District
Kevin Ewert...... ATCO Electric Ltd.
Efren Garcia...... Imperial Irrigation District
James Gaxiola...... Imperial Irrigation District
Steve Illias...... PacifiCorp
Aaron Inouye...... Peak Reliability
Gregory Johnson...... Avista Corporation
Wayne Klein...... British Columbia Hydro & Power Authority
Gerardo Landeros...... Imperial Irrigation District
James Marlow...... Imperial Irrigation District
Jeffrey Maze...... Arizona Public Service Company
Jesse Medina...... Imperial Irrigation District
Brian Norlund...... PacifiCorp
Lee Onsager...... NV Energy
Kirk Peterson...... California Independent System Operator
Manny Prado...... El Paso Electric Company
Jack Raty...... NorthWestern Energy
Paul Santy...... San Diego Gas & Electric
Kelly Teague...... California Independent System Operator
Lawrence Timpe...... Puget Sound Energy, Inc.
Bruce Wenzel...... Southern California Edison Company
Greg Wong...... Puget Sound Energy, Inc.
Others in Attendance
Matt Barington ...... Pacific Gas and Electric Company
Justin Demele...... Pacific Gas and Electric Company
Jay Herman...... EPRIElectric Power Research Institute
Kurt Mcneel - Caird...... Portland Gas and Electric Company
Justin Demele...... PGAE
MariosParperis...... Nokia
Evan Paull ...... Western Electricity Coordinating Council
Jay Sungu...... Nokia
Kurt Mcneel - Caird...... PGE
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TELWG Meeting Minutes November 7-8, 20171
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