14 - 17 July 2014 doc.: 18-14/0057r00
IEEE 802.18
Radio Regulatory-TAG
Date: 14 – 17 July, 2014
Name / Affiliation / Address / Phone / email
Author(s):
Jay Holcomb, Secretary, RR-TAG / Itron / Liberty Lake, WA / 509-891-3281 /
Officer presiding:
Michael Lynch,
Chair, RR-TAG / MJ Lynch & Assoc. / Allen, Tx / 972-814-4901 /
Abstract
Minutes of the IEEE 802 RR-TAG Plenary meeting in San Diego, CA, USA; 14 – 17 July, 2014
These are the minutes of IEEE 802.18 meeting in San Diego, CA; 14-17 May, 2014.
Monday, 14 July, 2014; PM1
1. The Chair and Vice Chair were neither available to attend the meeting. Therefore those that were in attendance did an informal run through the agenda.
2. The Chair was able to make it later and the RR TAG decided to wait and start the meeting at PM2.
Monday, 14 July, 2014, PM2
1. The Chair called the meeting to order at 16:08.
2. The Secretary reminded the members to record their attendance.
3. The current agenda is document 18-14/0034r02.
a. The Chair reminded members, as they learned today at the other opening Plenaries about the cell phone courtesy policy, anti-trust provisions of IEEE 802, the Patent questions and Policy, inappropriate topics per the IEEE requirements, and Letters of Assurance (LOA).
b. We made few minor clerical updates to the agenda making it 18-14/0034r03.
i. Including updated URL on patent notice and clarity on the 3GPP agenda item.
c. The following motion was made:
d. Motion: To approve the RR-TAG agenda for the July 2014 Meeting, 18-14/0034r03.
i. Move by: John Notor
ii. Second by: Peter Ecclesine
iii. Discussion: None
iv. Vote: 4 Yes 0 No 0 Abstain
v. Motion: Passed
4. We reviewed the Waikoloa minutes 18-14/0032r1
a. We made two clerical updates for 18-14/0032r2, which was uploaded to approve.
i. It was noted that we should keep folks informed on what is going on with the Drone activity.
ii. Learned from 802.16, 2 of the 3 projects has been requested to be finish up. There was no conclusion from the EC so far on how to do that.
5. The following motion was made:
Motion: To approve the minutes for the May 2014 Interim held at the Waikoloa Hilton, in Waikoloa, Hi, USA, 12 – 15 May 2014; 18-14/0032r2.
Move by: Peter Ecclesine
Second by: John Notor
Discussion: None
Vote: 4 Yes 0 No 0 Abstain
Motion: Passed
6. Old Business:
7. The Chair reviewed future IEEE 802 sessions and venues, specifically Athens September 2014.
a. We did a straw vote:
i. 802.18 voters who will be in Athens: 1 person
ii. 802.18 voters who know who will not be in Athens: 4 people
b. Had a discussion on could 802.18 meet in the states at the same time?
i. Looking at what the agenda might be, or could be; nothing really stood out and most everything could be held off till November.
ii. One voter does not see we need to meet in September and two others can provide teleconferencing service anytime between now and the November Plenary in San Antonio.
c. When the vice-chair is back tomorrow, Tuesday PM2, will vote on do we need a Face to Face or not, 14-19 September 2014.
8. We continued to discuss what different members have learned recently for IEEE 802 processes.
a. We have recently learned there is to be a 30 day notice for any teleconference, which is directed to us from above the 802 EC. It is from AudCom so that we can remain ANSI complaint as an SDO.
b. As a reminder we can vote on a teleconference with a quorum. As of May, we have 11 voters for a quorum of 6.
c. So will review the empowering motion at the end of the week, to make it something like weekly teleconferences, which individually can be cancelled with notice.
9. The Chair recessed the meeting to independent study at 17:48 until Tuesday AM1.
Tuesday, 15 July, 2014, AM1
10. The Chair called the meeting to order at 08:43
11. The Secretary reminded the members to record their attendance.
12. The Chair started the review of the agenda items in 18-14/0034r03.
13. An update on 18-13/0117 (a.k.a. IEEE-02-E); the ITU-R SM.[SMART_GRID] report.
a. In June this report did get into WP1A. Feedback from ITU is they are looking for absolute frequency ranges, not narratives.
b. It is in Mentor as 18-14/0036r01 with the liaison document 18-14/0035r00
c. ITU is wanting initial feedback by 31 December, 2014 (even though WP1A does not meet until June 2015.)
d. Next step is the chair will ask 802.24 to review and provide feedback on any updates.
e. If time permits RR TAG will review in the meantime.
14. We moved away from the agenda as the Chair was asked to conduct a straw poll.
a. Do we support the IEEE Get 802 program (to download standards 6 months after approval)?
i. Result of straw poll: 6 yes, no one opposed.
ii. (On Wednesday we heard many WGs also voted to keep the program.)
15. The Vice-Chair then brought up a request that was sent earlier for all WGs and TAGs are to do PAR reviews by 17:00 Tuesday (today).
a. The EC chair commented that a purpose of this activity is to share the knowledge of what is going on within IEEE 802 with all of IEEE 802.
b. The link to the list of PARs for this Plenary is: http://ieee802.org/PARs.shtml
· 802.1ARce - Secure Device Identity, Amendment 1: Amendment 1: SHA-384 and P-384 Elliptic Curve, PAR and CSD
· 802.1AEcg - Media Access Control (MAC) Security - Amendment: Ethernet Data Encryption devices, PAR and CSD
· 802.3bv- amendment, 1000 Mb/s Operation Over Plastic Optical Fiber , PAR and CSD
· 802.3bw - amendment, 1 Twisted Pair 100 Mb/s Ethernet , PAR and CSD
· 802.11ah, Sub 1 GHz, PAR extension request, PAR and CSD
· 802.11ai, Fast initial link setup, PAR extension request , PAR and 5C (grandfathered)
· 802.15.4, amendment enabling Spectrum Resource Measurement Capability, PAR and CSD
· 802.22.3, Specifying Spectrum Occupancy Sensing (SOS) Measurement Devices and Means that Enable Coalescing the Results from Multiple Such Devices, PAR and CSD
c. Being we are the Radio Regulatory TAG, we will look at the PARs with spectrum regulatory in mind. It turns out only 2 of the PARs meet this criteria.
d. For the 802.22.3 PAR:
i. For the PAR: Low cost would be vendor sensitive and we suggest the following:
1. From: “5.5 Need for the Project: This project will enable creation of low cost sensors for improved spectrum utilization and other shared spectrum applications.”
2. To: “5.5 Need for the Project: This project will enable improved spectrum utilization and other shared spectrum applications.”
ii. For the CSD: we have a couple of suggestions:
1. In 1.2.3 a)
a. b. IEEE P1900.6a, should not have the ‘P’, should read: “ b. IEEE 1900.6a…
b. Also further down in paragraph 3, the same.
i. “… emerging P1900.6a Standard.”
ii. Should read: “… emerging 1900.6a Standard.”
2. In 1.2.4 a) we suggest the term “Companies” be changed to “Organizations” when referring to NICT, ETRI, etc.
iii. In 1.2.4.a) the paragraph starting with:
1. “Systems simiar to the proposed SOS has been…”
2. Should read: “Systems similar to the proposed SOS have been…”
iv. In 1.2.5 a), the first line should remove ‘low cost’ to be consistent with comment above.
1. From: “This standard aims at creating economies of scale through uniform and consistent operation of low cost spectrum sensors.”
2. To: “This standard aims at creating economies of scale through uniform and consistent operation of spectrum sensors.”
e. For the 802.15.4 PAR::
i. For the PAR: Had some discussion about the way the battery use was represented, in the end it was okay.
ii. For the CSD: A discussion on measurement versus management, in the end is was okay.
16. The Chair recessed the meeting to independent study at 09:57 to Tuesday PM2
Tuesday, 15 July, 2014, AM2
17. We are in recess, most are in the 802.11/15 regulatory Standing Committee meeting.
18. Side note: At the 802.11 reg. SC meeting,
a. Some question on the ITS(14)000128 - 802.11-14/0852r0 which is related to ITU M.1457 and the vehicle to vehicle/infrastructure, and how to respond to ITU. Conclusion is for 802.11 to work on the response and get to 802.18. It would be best to get to 802.18 this week with the response due to the ITU in October.
Tuesday, 15 July, 2014, PM1
19. The Chair of 802.19 called the joint meeting of IEEE 802.18 and 802.19 to order at 13:30
20. A reminder was made for the members to record their attendance.
a. Later the request was made for all to sign in as 802.19, those in 802.18 will still get reciprocal attendance in 802.18 and the 802.19 secretary can get an accurate list of attendees.
21. This meeting session was a joint meeting with 802.19 for reviewing of the 3GPP response to the EC letter offering 3GPP assistance on what it takes for coexistence in an un-licensed spectrum.
22. The full minutes of this session will be posted in Mentor on the 802.19 documents site.
23. Here are some high level points of the discussion.
a. The 802.19 chair reviewed the history how we got here, from the 802.18 work at the March Interim to the email response from 3GPP to the EC with the attached liaison (3GPP - RP-140999; http://www.3gpp.org/ )
i. The email from 3GPP is in the EC email repository, so it is available.
b. At that point the discussion laid out key points, notes, questions, straw polls and next steps.
i. In summary the response from 3GPP was more informative in the cover email than the formal liaison, due to the Study Item has not been approved yet at 3GPP.
ii. With discussion, we drafted a proposed letter for the EC Chair to send back to 3GPP, see the 802.19 Mentor site.
c. Next steps included 802.19 to setup ongoing teleconference calls for now to work on a more formal / technical response, in anticipation the Study Item will be approved.
i. A target date for the final presentation for 3GPP would be the IEEE 802 November Plenary.
d. One place to start with are the 3GPP chair’s summary reports of a workshop held, from the 3GPP site:
1. Chairman’s summary: RWS-140029
2. Draft Report: RWS-140030
24. The 802.19 Chair recessed the meeting to independent study at 15:01 until Tuesday, PM2
Tuesday, 15 July, 2014, PM2
25. The Chair called the meeting to order at 16:10
26. The Vice Chair reminded the members to record their attendance.
27. The Chair continued the review of the agenda items in 18-14/0034r03.
28. ITU-R WP1A titled “PRELIMINARY DRAFT NEW REPORT ITU-R SM.[THZ_TREND] Technology trends of active services in the bands above 275 GHz
a. This report will be reviewed by 802.15 Interest Group THZ this week.
i. Response is not due until 17 May, 2015, so we have time.
b. The documents are on 802.18:
i. 18-14-0042-00-0000-liaison-to-ieee-pdnr-itu-r-sm-thz-trend-bands-above-275-ghz
ii. 18-14-0043-00-0000-pdnr-itu-r-sm-thz-trend-above-275-ghz.docx
29. When 3GPP RAN starts working on LTE operation in unlicensed spectrum.
a. This was discussed at the EC monday and to have 802.19 look at a response, even though not asked for. All felt it should go through 802.18 before going out.
b. The 3GPP Liasion response is: 18-14-0044-00-0000-3gpp-liaison-reponse-to-802.doc
c. We had a joint meeting with 802.19 Tuesday PM1, see above.
30. WTB seeks comments on Spectrum Networks Group, LLC to provide M2M on 900MHz B/I channels.
a. The document is on mentor as: 18-14-0047-00-0000-wtb-seeks-comments-on-spectrum-networks-group-llc-m2m-on-900mhz-b-i-channs
b. 802.11 and 802.15 should look at this and bring back to 802.18 if comments are needed.
31. FCC/NTIA: Model city for demo and evaluating advanced sharing technologies.
a. This is document18-14-0040-00-0000-et-docket-no-14-99-model-city-for-demonstrating-and-evaluating-advnaced-sharing-technologies
b. IEEE sees no interest in needing to respond to this.
32. WP5A is asking for comments from 802.11 on ITU-R M.[V2X] (vehicle to vehicle and vehicle to infrastructure)
a. The liaison document is: 18-14-0041-00-0000-radio-interface-standards-of-vehicle-to-vehicle-and-vehicle-to-infrastructure-communication-for-intelligent-transport-systems-applications
b. The Annex 19 Working Document is: 18-14-0048-00-0000-annex-19-working-document-toward-a-preliminary-draft-new-recommendation-itu-r-m-v2x.docx
c. Annex 19 should be reviewed and we confirmed 802.11 will look at this and reply. There are 2 areas in the doc to be filled in:
i. Annex 2 overall.
ii. Annex 5, table 6, the IEEE column.
d. The response is due to ITU by 20 October, 2014
e. Due to the time frame it was then decided to ask 802.11 if 802.18 can extract from M.1450 for the response and fill in the 2 areas. 802.11 was part of the M.1450 document and so has already approved that text.
iii. The Vice-Chair will take this to 802.11 mid-week Plenary and if 802.11 approves this, 802.18 will work on Annex 19 this week.
33. The following motion was made, in response to the discussion Monday on the September Interim meeting, also see above:
Motion: Move that our next face to face meeting will be the IEEE 802 Plenary in November 2014, in San Antonio, TX.
Move by: Peter Ecclesine
Second by: John Notor
Discussion: We will setup on going teleconferences before we adjourn this meeting.
Vote: 5 Yes 0 No 0 Abstain
Motion: Passed
34. The Chair recessed the meeting to independent study at 17:04 until Wednesday AM1.
Wednesday, 16 July, 2014, AM1
35. The Chair called the meeting to order at 08:35
36. The Secretary reminded the members to record their attendance.
37. We worked on getting documents downloaded from emails and the ITU and uploaded to Mentor, for our agenda items.
38. From 802.16: Proposed LS to ITU-R WP5D: OOBE information for WirelessMAN-Advanced
a. This is document: 18-14-0046-00-0000-proposed-ls-to-itu-r-wp-5d-oobe-information-for-wirelessman-advanced.docx
b. We reviewed and made a few clarifying updates, made a revision r01 and sent to the author for his review. Will plan to vote on it Thursday.