[07:11:58] Marcelo Tramontano adicionou Lisa Fromm ao chat
[07:12:10] Marcelo Tramontano diz : can you see each other?
[07:12:18] Gabi Carneiro diz : hey! good morning
[07:12:45] Gabi Carneiro diz : Lisa?
[07:12:48] Lisa Fromm diz : Hey Gabi
[07:12:58] Marcelo Tramontano diz : so lisa and juliane can maybe just present shortly their project?
[07:12:59] Lisa Fromm diz : good morning!
[07:13:47] Gabi Carneiro diz : I took a fast look on your presentation, but maybe you can tell me more about your motivation to propose such a project
[07:13:47] Lisa Fromm diz : ok we try to present it to you in a few sentences:
[07:14:40] Lisa Fromm diz : we want to break this everyday routine where people hurry to their work and don not even look at each other
[07:15:30] Lisa Fromm diz : we want to make them interact more with each other, and also create consciousness about human's diversity
[07:16:11] Lisa Fromm diz : so we thought about public transport as object where a lot of different people come thogehter
[07:17:45] Lisa Fromm diz : there will be a bus for example in sao paulo and in hamburg, people in the bus can see the path from the other city, they can talk to the bus driver ...
[07:17:45] Gabi Carneiro diz : so the idea is to connect two distant places,
[07:17:51] Lisa Fromm diz : yes
[07:19:06] Gabi Carneiro diz : and the first idea would be to put sensors on the benches and a screen?
[07:19:19] Gabi Carneiro diz : this is what I understood from the presentation
[07:19:26] Lisa Fromm diz : yes, thats what we where thinking
[07:20:04] Gabi Carneiro diz : i think it's important to think why would people engage on this idea,
[07:20:23] Lisa Fromm diz : there could be a camera insinde the bus, so that people feel as if they where sitting in the bus from the other city
[07:20:36] Gabi Carneiro diz : because there are a lot of people on buses everyday (specially here in brasil),
[07:21:09] Gabi Carneiro diz : and they do not naturally interact, then, what would invite them to participate on this interaction
[07:21:20] Lisa Fromm diz : ok...so you think they wouldn't care or recognize?
[07:21:35] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe...
[07:21:58] Gabi Carneiro diz : then it's really important to think about this "invitation" aspect
[07:22:35] Gabi Carneiro diz : how would this make people fell better? what would they get back from this....
[07:23:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : because the buses situation in sao paulo and hamburg is very different
[07:23:17] Lisa Fromm diz : Well, there would be maybe one line, or 5 buses or so... it would be a great event, it is fun, it is interesting
[07:23:23] Lisa Fromm diz : just imagine...
[07:23:28] Gabi Carneiro diz : how can you work with this difference and make something interesting to come out of it
[07:24:08] Lisa Fromm diz : did you see the taxilink?
[07:24:24] Lisa Fromm diz : maybe you can have a quick look at it
[07:24:33] Gabi Carneiro diz : ok, just a sec
[07:25:41] Gabi Carneiro diz : the link is not working
[07:25:41] Gabi Carneiro diz :
[07:27:13] Gabi Carneiro diz : ok, now i got it
[07:29:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : nice project
[07:29:56] Marcelo Tramontano diz : gabi
[07:30:12] Marcelo Tramontano diz : their internet connection is off
[07:30:22] Marcelo Tramontano diz : but they are coming back in a few minutes
[07:30:24] Gabi Carneiro diz : but anyway, if you are choosing a bus, instead of a taxi, the hole picture changes
[07:30:38] Marcelo Tramontano diz : just a moment, they are not online right now
[07:30:45] Gabi Carneiro diz : ok marcelo, I'll then wait for their contact
[07:30:57] Marcelo Tramontano diz : thnx!
[07:33:00] Lisa Fromm diz : here we are again
[07:33:01] Lisa Fromm diz : we w
[07:33:05] Lisa Fromm diz : are sorry!
[07:33:17] Lisa Fromm diz : the computer went off
[07:33:59] Marcelo Tramontano adicionou Vítor Locilento Sanches ao chat
[07:34:11] Lisa Fromm diz : okay, we unserstand what you mean
[07:34:20] Marcelo Tramontano diz : vitor can u see us?
[07:34:27] Lisa Fromm diz : hey vitor
[07:35:11] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yeah!I can read!
[07:35:20] Gabi Carneiro diz : yes
[07:35:31] Gabi Carneiro diz : I mean, is just something that you have to think
[07:35:57] Gabi Carneiro diz : you have vitor on your team, he can picture what is it to be in a crowded bus in sao paulo
[07:36:15] Gabi Carneiro diz : i do think it's interesting to make people relax during their journey
[07:36:24] Gabi Carneiro diz : but how would you do it
[07:36:52] Gabi Carneiro diz : if it's a video, what they would see is a very crowded bus X a normal one
[07:37:10] Gabi Carneiro diz : so maybe you can think about other way to interact
[07:37:20] Gabi Carneiro diz : and also the language is a big thing
[07:37:36] Gabi Carneiro diz : so maybe this interaction can be htrough colors, or music
[07:37:44] Gabi Carneiro diz : do you get what I mean?
[07:37:50] Lisa Fromm diz : we felt that just talking to the driver who lives in the city, who tells his story, who shows his city would be such a personal experience, also emotionel this was just an example how we try to connect 2 different worlds
[07:38:18] Gabi Carneiro diz : but then, why a bus?
[07:38:45] Lisa Fromm diz : yes that was a bit like the idea we had with the sensors...vitor-can you explain it to Gabi?
[07:39:07] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : if it is just the driver it could be any other thing....
[07:39:18] Gabi Carneiro diz : I agree
[07:39:18] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yes I think I can..
[07:40:13] Gabi Carneiro diz : the taxi link is about people looking at another city, and there's no way around
[07:40:39] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe you can explore this two way interaction
[07:41:28] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : the idea is to put pressure sensors on the sitting places, and also lights...... when you use it in Hamburg the same place in Sao Paulo would be showing some lights.....
[07:42:12] Gabi Carneiro diz : and what else?
[07:42:20] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : it's like you know that where you see lights there is someone in another place at the same time at the "same" situation as you...
[07:43:02] Gabi Carneiro diz : ok... maybe it would be interesting if you could also engage people on a story
[07:43:20] Gabi Carneiro diz : then is not just about connecting
[07:43:29] Gabi Carneiro diz : let me explain better:
[07:43:49] Lisa Fromm diz : okay...
[07:43:56] Gabi Carneiro diz : besides the sensores, it would be interesting if people could actually send messages to each other
[07:44:18] Gabi Carneiro diz : like a smile , or a hug,
[07:44:23] Gabi Carneiro diz : or a good morning
[07:44:38] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : there is this idea too
[07:44:46] Lisa Fromm diz : yes, we really want them to interact, to talk to each other, to see each other, maye to feel eachother (the sensors)
[07:45:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : they would not talk to each other....
[07:45:06] Gabi Carneiro diz : believe me....
[07:45:09] Gabi Carneiro diz : ;)
[07:45:12] Lisa Fromm diz : maye there just has to be a limited amount of peole in the bus or tram..
[07:45:38] Lisa Fromm diz : but in linz and jerusalem they did talk to each other
[07:45:52] Lisa Fromm diz : it is your chice to get into the bus
[07:45:54] Gabi Carneiro diz : but its two people X one taxi driver
[07:46:07] Lisa Fromm diz : choice
[07:46:13] Gabi Carneiro diz : and they choosed a taxi driver that speaks english
[07:46:40] Gabi Carneiro diz : but we're talking about real people, daily people, workers.... at least form our side
[07:46:46] Gabi Carneiro diz : from the brasilian side
[07:46:52] Lisa Fromm diz : yes
[07:46:56] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : I told them....hehe
[07:47:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : you do have to take it into account
[07:47:13] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : really do
[07:47:19] Gabi Carneiro diz : if you decide to connect two buses, from hamburg and sao paulo
[07:47:26] Gabi Carneiro diz : this is a very specific task
[07:47:30] Gabi Carneiro diz : a very interesting one
[07:47:46] Gabi Carneiro diz : but is not a general project ....
[07:47:52] Lisa Fromm diz : ok so we have to find a nonverbal communication process?
[07:47:53] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : symbols would be better...... they are international....that's why we came up with the lights
[07:48:12] Gabi Carneiro diz : yes, symbols are better.
[07:49:03] Gabi Carneiro diz : and then you can think about how this participation takes place
[07:49:25] Gabi Carneiro diz : not just by siting on the bench....
[07:50:10] Gabi Carneiro diz : because in brazil a lot of people have to stay stand
[07:50:15] Gabi Carneiro diz : stand up
[07:51:31] Gabi Carneiro diz : the thing is, maybe you found this amazing project (taxi link) and now, because you like it so much, you're kind of trying to replicate it
[07:51:51] Lisa Fromm diz : what would be an inducement to participate for Brazilian people to take part in this interaction?
[07:52:29] Gabi Carneiro diz : first they would need to understand what is going on
[07:52:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : you're talking about people that 90% has never gone abroad
[07:53:06] Lisa Fromm diz : no, actually we had our idea before to connect two differnt metropolises through public transport and the vitor told us about taxi link
[07:53:08] Gabi Carneiro diz : (the people in the bus)
[07:53:10] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : we didn't came up with the whole idea yet..
[07:53:44] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : it's just a first brainstorming that we did...
[07:53:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : then they would need to really get something out of it
[07:54:00] Lisa Fromm diz : and what would that be?
[07:54:15] Gabi Carneiro diz : it can be knowledge, or maybe a good feeling...
[07:54:26] Lisa Fromm diz : isn't it just nice to have fun, to get to learn something new...
[07:54:35] Gabi Carneiro diz : i don't know, I'm just pushing you to think about these things....
[07:54:35] Lisa Fromm diz : yes!
[07:55:09] Gabi Carneiro diz : so, if it's about learning, what exactly would they learn?
[07:55:27] Gabi Carneiro diz : (just brainstorming)
[07:55:50] Lisa Fromm diz : something about the german culture, just by seeing the people there, the city... but the feeling is more important
[07:55:59] Gabi Carneiro diz : - besides the fact that the public transportation in hamburg is much more confortable and has many less people... :)
[07:57:49] Gabi Carneiro diz : is just that, as designers (or as people that are proposing something - i dont know if everybody is a designer there), you have to be more in control of it
[07:58:16] Gabi Carneiro diz : not just think that if they see each other they will learn about each other
[07:58:49] Lisa Fromm diz : so we are still too naiv ;)
[07:59:05] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe.... hehhehehe....
[07:59:24] Lisa Fromm diz : okay, we really want to change this
[07:59:51] Lisa Fromm diz : how could we create it as an interesting thing to geht into the bus and to actually communicate??
[07:59:53] Gabi Carneiro diz : I mean, you have to think as a professional: how can you really make peoples life better through this project?
[08:00:16] Lisa Fromm diz : What do the brasilians say about that - Vitor and Gabi???
[08:00:59] Gabi Carneiro diz : so, you really have to push Vitor to give you these answers
[08:01:10] Gabi Carneiro diz : or to make you understand the differences
[08:01:20] Lisa Fromm diz : Vitor- are you still there??
[08:01:24] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : about what ?
[08:01:27] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yes
[08:01:29] Lisa Fromm diz : ok
[08:01:42] Gabi Carneiro diz : I mean, you want to connect two different cultures, and you do have the two different cultures in your team
[08:01:55] Lisa Fromm diz : right
[08:01:57] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe you can exchange feelings between you
[08:02:13] Gabi Carneiro diz : I don't know.... but I think this is where the project can become interesting
[08:02:17] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yes but...... how?
[08:02:23] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : that's the point
[08:02:24] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe the interfaces can be differnt in each bus
[08:02:53] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe in one you'll need some explanation and on the other not
[08:02:54] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : I don't know...... first we have to have goal
[08:03:01] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : as you said Gabi....
[08:03:20] Gabi Carneiro diz : but the goal is to connect and exchange feelings and culture, right?
[08:03:20] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : to know what do we want to have with our project
[08:03:31] Lisa Fromm diz : yes!
[08:03:31] Gabi Carneiro diz : as far as I understood....
[08:03:36] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : and the input and output comes together as a suport
[08:03:40] Gabi Carneiro diz : then, you do have a goal
[08:03:44] Gabi Carneiro diz : work on it
[08:03:48] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : ok
[08:03:55] Gabi Carneiro diz : which aspects from the culture you want to exchange
[08:04:04] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : but this goal can be everything
[08:04:04] Gabi Carneiro diz : the LAST thing, is the technology
[08:04:22] Gabi Carneiro diz : because the technology can also be anything
[08:04:23] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : since putting an notebook with skype at the centre of the city
[08:04:39] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : to cratting some other kinds of things
[08:04:47] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : that's what I ment as goal
[08:04:58] Lisa Fromm diz : what do you mean vitor?
[08:05:03] Gabi Carneiro diz : i didn't get it vitor
[08:05:36] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : that our goal of connecting people is a wide goal...... I think....
[08:06:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : its not vitor!
[08:06:05] Gabi Carneiro diz : think about it
[08:06:13] Lisa Fromm diz : so we have to consentrate on a special aspevt of ineraction
[08:06:17] Gabi Carneiro diz : your goal is not "to connect people"
[08:07:17] Gabi Carneiro diz : is to connect users from a public transportantion from two completly different cultures and context, and give them the possibility to exchange feelings, and maybe to get to know a different culture better
[08:07:30] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : Genau
[08:07:34] Gabi Carneiro diz : and this users are very specific
[08:07:41] Gabi Carneiro diz : they are differnt
[08:08:11] Gabi Carneiro diz : maybe they can exchange information about the weather, for example
[08:08:22] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : yes.....I think the next step is to dyscover this differences or not and think about what do we want to use.....
[08:08:22] Gabi Carneiro diz : because the seasons are different
[08:08:30] Gabi Carneiro diz : very differnt
[08:08:51] Gabi Carneiro diz : it has to be simple
[08:09:25] Lisa Fromm diz : okay, why not... maybe it is good, to tell them some themes they can talk about..?
[08:09:48] Lisa Fromm diz : do you think then people would talk or write to each other
[08:09:49] Gabi Carneiro diz : yes, this is interesting
[08:09:56] Gabi Carneiro diz : no
[08:09:57] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : I don't think talking would work
[08:10:01] Gabi Carneiro diz : ahahahah
[08:10:07] Gabi Carneiro diz : no writing and talking
[08:10:15] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : Genau
[08:10:40] Gabi Carneiro diz : it has to colors and sounds
[08:10:49] Gabi Carneiro diz : forget about writing and talking....
[08:11:03] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : or symbols...... as smile.....ou clouds...... etc...
[08:11:09] Gabi Carneiro diz : yes...
[08:11:14] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : sorry...or clouds....
[08:11:27] Gabi Carneiro diz : more like that
[08:11:57] Lisa Fromm diz : ok. what else then?
[08:12:04] Lisa Fromm diz : what symboly??
[08:12:06] Gabi Carneiro diz : the people you're going to deal with, here in brazil, are not high educated
[08:12:08] Lisa Fromm diz : symbols
[08:12:42] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : I said that...... that lots of them don't know even good portugese...so......
[08:12:53] Gabi Carneiro diz : that's true.....
[08:12:55] Gabi Carneiro diz : :(
[08:12:58] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : symbols is good
[08:13:19] Lisa Fromm diz : what symbols??
[08:13:25] Gabi Carneiro diz : the symbols would depend on what you're trying to communicate
[08:13:39] Gabi Carneiro diz : for example, if it's weather
[08:13:40] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : hmmm.....depends on what we will comunicate....
[08:14:06] Gabi Carneiro diz : if you decide that people will exchange their feelings about the weather
[08:14:14] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : if it's weather...... sun.....clouds...... etc...... if it's humor...smile....angry face.....etc...
[08:14:27] Lisa Fromm diz : on a screen?
[08:14:38] Gabi Carneiro diz : then you'd have to think: how would they communicate about the weather, without speaking and writing??
[08:14:57] Gabi Carneiro diz : for example, we had a veeeeerrryyyyy bad rain in são paulo two days ago
[08:15:08] Lisa Fromm diz : hmm...
[08:15:15] Gabi Carneiro diz : in a way that was IMPOSSIBLE to acces the city
[08:15:57] Gabi Carneiro diz : an unbelievible situation
[08:16:29] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : we don't need a screen...... we can use it...... but we can use also the same idea as the D-Tower...... that people's feelings are shown according to the color of the thinf...
[08:17:28] Gabi Carneiro diz : ask vitor to explain what it means, that the "marginais" from the rivers tiete and pinheiros, were completly flooded
[08:17:32] Gabi Carneiro diz : no cars al ALLLLL
[08:17:41] Gabi Carneiro diz : and then, today, the sky is blue!!!!
[08:17:52] Gabi Carneiro diz : completely different feelings.
[08:18:12] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : and here it's raining
[08:18:32] Gabi Carneiro diz : how can you communicate this? how can people share this feelings?
[08:18:42] Lisa Fromm diz : ok so we have to talk to vitor again and try to develop this idea...to make it more concret
[08:18:47] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : good question
[08:18:53] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : we must think about
[08:19:03] Lisa Fromm diz : yes
[08:19:05] Gabi Carneiro diz : through displays? buttons? tokens?
[08:19:21] Gabi Carneiro diz : what I'm trying to say is that you do have a good idea
[08:19:34] Gabi Carneiro diz : but then you care to pursue it carefully
[08:19:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : not just spreading sensors and screens
[08:20:08] Gabi Carneiro diz : you're talking about feelings, about stories, about contexts
[08:20:18] Lisa Fromm diz : vitor please save this discussion because my akku is empty
[08:20:30] Gabi Carneiro diz : the role that technology takes on it, is that it connects
[08:20:31] Vítor Locilento Sanches diz : ok
[08:20:35] Gabi Carneiro diz : but WHAT?
[08:20:50] Gabi Carneiro diz : then is about the idea, how deep you can get on it
[08:20:58] Gabi Carneiro diz : got it?
[08:21:13] Lisa Fromm diz : thank you very much Gabi that you took your time for our project... juliane is trying to connect with skype so that we can go on wit this discussion