September 2009 doc.: IEEE 802.11-09/1001r0
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
September 2009 Interim Meeting
Waikoloa, Hawaii, USA
Date: 2009-09-21
Author(s):
Name / Affiliation / Address / Phone / email
Dave Stephenson / Cisco Systems, Inc. / 170 W. Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134, USA / +1 408 527 7991 /
Monday, September 21, 2009, 1:30 PM to 3:30 PM
Chair: Stephen McCann (Research in Motion - RIM)
Secretary: Dave Stephenson (Cisco Systems)
Started meeting at 1:34 PM HST
The Chair presented the agenda (11-09-0957r1, 11-09-0957r0 is the version on the server). The Chair presented the IEEE patent policy. The Chair requested information on essential patents, patent claims, and pending patent applications and called for letters of assurance from the group. No response was made to the call.
The Chair presented other guidelines and resources for the meeting.
The Chair presented the initial agenda for the week. The Chair asked if there were any requests to change the agenda; no requests were raised. The Chair asked if anyone had additional presentations to add to the agenda. None were raised.
The Chair asked if there were any objections to approving this afternoon’s agenda (i.e., for the pm1 and pm2 sessions) by unanimous consent. No objections were raised.
Summary of the July 2009 meeting
The Chair showed the San Francisco (July 2009) closing report (11-09-0904r0). The Chair asked if there were any questions or comments resulting from this meeting. No comments were raised.
The Chair asked if there were any matters arising from the July 2009 minutes (11-09-0826r0). Gabor Bajko (Nokia) raised the comment that there had not been enough time during that meeting to discuss CIDs 7018 and 7020. The minutes were amended to reflect this comment. The Chair asked if there were any objections to approving the minutes in document 11-09-0826r1 as just shown on the screen. There were no objections. The minutes were approved.
The Chair asked Gabor Bajko if he had any presentations on these topics. Gabor requested time during the Thursday am1 session.
Approval of teleconference minutes
· August 26, 2009 Teleconference minutes (11-09-0945r0). The Chair asked if there were any matters arising from these minutes. None were raised. The Chair requested approval of these minutes by unanimous consent. No objections were raised. The Chair announced that the minutes are approved.
· August 28, 2009 Teleconference minutes (11-09-0948r0). The Chair asked if there were any matters arising from these minutes. None were raised. The Chair requested approval of these minutes by unanimous consent. No objections were raised. The Chair announced that the minutes are approved.
· September 4, 2009 Teleconference minutes (11-09-0959r0). The Chair asked if there were any matters arising from these minutes. None were raised. The Chair requested approval of these minutes by unanimous consent. No objections were raised. The Chair announced that the minutes are approved.
· September 16, 2009 Ad Hoc meeting minutes (11-09-0972r0). The Chair asked if there were any matters arising from these minutes. None were raised. The Chair requested approval of these minutes by unanimous consent. No objections were raised. The Chair announced that the minutes are approved.
Technical Editor Update
The Technical Editor was not present at this session and thus could not provide a report on IEEE 802.11u-D8.0.
IEEE Shop
The Chair announced that Bruce Kraemer (Marvell – IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair) intends to update the IEEE Shop to provide P802.11u-D8.0. The Chair asked if the task group wanted to see how to find the draft in the IEEE Shop. No one responded.
Sponsor Ballot preparation
The Chair announced that the EC gave conditional approval for IEEE 802.11u-D8.0 to proceed to SB. The Chair expressed his thanks to everyone in attendance on the Thursday session during the San Francisco (July 2009) face-to-face meeting in which preparations for SB were completed.
There are 64 comments for TGu to consider this week, of which, 5 are required. As shown on agenda slide #15, there are 3 options:
1. Reject all comments and re-circulate—if no new negative, required comments are received on Draft8.0, then we can move forward to SB.
2. Accept comments, revise draft and re-circulate—if no new negative, required comments are received on Draft9.0, then we can move forward to SB (but the risk is that there is a greater chance of new negative, required comments with a re-circulation ballot on a changed draft).
3. Ask commenters to revoke the 5 required comments and go to SB directly.
The Chair showed the 5 negative comments on the screen (from CRS: 11-09-0940r5). The group discussed the 5 required comments:
· CID 8001: The group felt the current resolution and comment resolution were correct as shown in the CRS. The comment is in scope as it refers to changed text in Draft 8.0.
· CID 8005: The resolution was changed to counter and the Chair added a resolution. The comment is in scope as it refers to changed text in Draft 8.0.
· CID 8006: The group felt the current resolution and comment resolution were correct as shown in the CRS. The comment is in scope as it refers to changed text in Draft 8.0. The Chair asked if there was any objection to the current status. None was raised.
· CID 8013: The chair modified the comment resolution. The comment is in scope as it refers to changed text in Draft 8.0.
· CID 8014: The group felt the current resolution and comment resolution were correct as shown in the CRS. The comment is in scope as it refers to changed text in Draft 8.0.
The Chair revised the CRS to 11-09-0940r6 and stated he would upload it to the server.
The TG continued to discuss the CRS:
· CID 8015, 8016, 8017: The resolution was changed to reject and the comment resolution was modified.
Recess
The Chair recessed the meeting at 3:30 pm HST.
Monday, September 21, 2009, 4:00 PM to 6:00 PM
Chair: Stephen McCann (RIM)
Secretary: Dave Stephenson (Cisco Systems)
The meeting was called to order by the Chair at 4:04 pm HST.
TGu continued going through CRS (11-09-0940r5):
· CID 8018: The resolution was changed to reject as the commenter (Stephen McCann) withdrew the comment.
· CID 8053: The resolution was changed to accept and the comment resolution was modified.
· CID 8066: The Chair left the resolution as defer and stated he would put add an agenda item for tomorrow’s session to discuss again.
· CID 8067: The resolution was changed to reject and the comment resolution was modified.
Recess
The Chair asked if there was any objection to recessing until tomorrow. No objections were raised. The Chair recessed the meeting at 5:30 pm HST.
Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 10:30 AM to 12:30 PM
Chair: Stephen McCann (RIM)
Secretary: Dave Stephenson (Cisco Systems)
The meeting was called to order by the Chair at 10:36 am HST.
The Chair requested information on essential patents from the group. No response was made to the call.
Sponsor Ballot preparation
The Chair showed the agenda on the projector (11-09-0957r1), slide #15 on Sponsor Ballot Options. The two commenters on LB-156 having required, negative comments were contacted by the Chair and they both changed their comments to “not required”.
The Chair displayed an email showing a précis of the conditions which must be met to go to SB, which were drawn from LMSC OM 19 March 2009:
Condition a) recirculation letter ballot is completed in accordance with the schedule presented at the time of conditional approval. The Chair stated this has been successfully completed.
Condition b) After resolution of the recirculation letter ballot is completed, the approval percentage is at least 75% and there are no new, valid, disapprove votes. The chair stated this was completed. The Chair contacted Liwen Chu (ST Microelectronics) by phone; Liwen Chu withdrew the required part of his comment. This means that he had no required comments causing his vote to change from disapprove to approve. The Chair explained this and the commenter was ok with it. The Chair reported he intends to follow-up this verbal conversation with an email.
Condition c) No technical changes, as determined by the WG Chair, were made as a result of the recirculation ballot. The Chair stated there have been no new technical changes (assuming the task group votes to not change the draft).
Condition d) No new, valid, disapprove comments on new issues that are not resolved to the satisfaction of the submitter from existing disapprove votes. The Chair state there are no new, valid, disapprove comments received on LB-156.
Condition e) If the WG Chair determines that there is a new, invalid, disapprove commenter or vote, the WG chair shall promptly provide details to the Sponsor. The Chair stated there were no comments for which this condition applies.
Condition f) The WG Chair shall immediately report the results of the ballot to the Sponsor including the date the ballot closed, vote tally and comments associated with any remaining, disapproves (valid and invalid), the WG responses and the rationale for ruling any vote invalid. The Chair stated this has already been completed (LB-156 results were announced to the mailing list).
The Chair stated that we have met these conditions and that the task group needs to decide whether to go directly to SB or to amend our current draft with comment resolutions and go out for recirculation ballot.
Straw poll
Should IEEE 802.11u reject all comments from LB156 (the chair moving them into sponsor ballot), to meet the conditions for sponsor ballot? Yes = 4, No = 0, Don’t Know = 1.
The Chair stated he was willing to edit the CRS (11-09-0940r6) offline in accordance with the straw poll.
Comment Resolution (these resolutions will be carried forward to SB)
Changes to the Comments for Sponsor Ballot (11-09-0940r6) is the starting point for this document, which is 11-09-1045r0):
· CID 8002: Changed resolution to accept, and changed the comment resolution. This comment was placed into comment group 1.
· CID 8003, 8004: Changed resolutions to defer and the comment resolutions were edited. The Chair will send an email to the technical editor to get help to understand the proper editorial style which should be used to resolve these comments.
· CID 8005: This comment was placed into comment group 1.
· CID 8007, 8008: Changed resolutions to accept, and changed the comment resolutions. These comments were placed into comment group 1.
· CID 8009, 8010, 8011, 8012: Changed resolutions to defer and the comment resolutions were edited. The Chair will send an email to the technical editor to get help to understand the proper editorial style which should be used to resolve these comments.
· CID 8019, 8020, 8022, 8023, 8024, 8025: Changed resolutions to accept, and changed the comment resolutions. These comments were placed into comment group 1.
· CID 8026: The commenter (Dave Stephenson, Cisco) withdrew the comment. The Chair changed the resolution to reject, and changed the comment resolution. This comment was placed into comment group 1.
· CID 8028, 8029, 8030, 8033, 8034, 8035, 8036, 8040, 8041, 8042, 8046, 8047, 8048, 8049, 8050, 8051, 8052, 8054, 8057, 8058, 8059, 8061: Changed resolutions to accept, and changed the comment resolutions. These comments were placed into comment group 1.
· CID8062, 8063: Changed resolutions to defer and the comment resolutions were edited. The Chair will send an email to the technical editor to get help to understand the proper editorial style which should be used to resolve these comments.
· CID 8064: Changed resolution to counter, and changed the comment resolution. This comment was placed into comment group 1.
· CID 8065: Changed resolution to counter, and changed the comment resolution. This comment was placed into comment group 1. CID 8065 and 8051 were placed into bucket 8051.
· CID 8068: Changed resolution to defer and changed the comment resolution.
Recess
The Chair recessed the meeting at 12:28 pm HST.
Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 1:30 PM to 3:30 PM
Chair: Stephen McCann (RIM)
Secretary: Dave Stephenson (Cisco Systems)
The meeting was called to order by the Chair at 1:36 pm HST.
The task group unanimously agreed to cancel the 09/22/09 evening session (7:30pm to 9:30pm), as the week’s work had progressed better than expected. The task group went into recess for 5 minutes so the Chair could take care of the logistics needed to cancel the session.
Comment Resolution (these resolutions will be carried forward to SB)
Changes to the CFSB (11-09-1045r0):
· CID 8001, 8006: These comments were placed into comment group 2.
· CID 8013: Changed resolution to defer. The Chair will send an email to the technical editor to get help to understand the proper editorial style which should be used to resolve this comment.
· CID 8014: Changed resolution to accept, and changed the comment resolution. This comment was placed into comment group 2.
· CID 8015, 8016, 8017, 8018, 8021, 8027: These comments were placed into comment group 2.
· CID 8031, 8032: Changed resolutions to defer. The Chair will send an email to the technical editor to get help resolving these comments.
· CID 8037, 8038, 8039, 8043, 8044, 8045, 8053, 8055, 8056, 8060, 8067: These comments were placed into comment group 2.
Recess
The Chair asked if there was any objection to going into recess. None were raised. The Chair recessed the meeting at 2:12 pm HST.
Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 8:00 AM to 10:00 AM
Chair: Stephen McCann (RIM)
Secretary: Dave Stephenson (Cisco Systems)
The meeting was called to order by the Chair at 8:02 am HST.
The Chair presented the agenda (11-09-0957r1) requested information on essential patents from the group. No response was made to the call.
The Chair reported that there are currently no incoming or outgoing liaisons for the task group. The WG Chair recommended we establish a document sharing relationship with 3GPP; however, to do this the WG Chair requires a 3GPP liaison officer. The Chair intends to present a report (11-09-1056r0) at the mid-week plenary and request that a liaison be created. The Chair will volunteer to be the liaison officer. This will need to be confirmed by the WG Chair and/or WG.