CCPS event – 13 June 2013– Summary of responses

Discussion group 1:Planning the Engagement Phase

  • Who should be represented on the NCSProject Group

Responses/suggestions included;

Service user groups/advocacy

Provider reps - CCPS (surprise!)

Human Rights rep

Communications expert

Regulators – SSSC, NMC

PA employers

Age Scotland

Who carers?

MWC

Young Scot

SDSS

Consumer Focus groups

Commissioners

SFHA

COSLA

ADSW

Planning and fire

Alliance of associations of residential care out of school care network Scottish Care Hospice network

SCVO

FEEDBACK – this list shows the scope of the work and potential stakeholders. Our intention will be to contact some of these bodies to ensure diverse interest groups are fairly represented. In addition we intent to set up separate ‘reference/advisory’ groups including people identified in section below.

  • Who should be include in the engagement process (specific suggestions so we can contact people/organisations)

SENSE Scotland

Deafblind Scotland

Same as you

Pharmacy, dentistry, health visitors

LDAS

People first

All inspected organisations

Princes Royal Carers Trust

Well performing provders getting 5’s and 6’s

Planning and commissioners

Family members and individuals accessing services

  • Specific opportunities for engagement – AGMs, Newsletters, events or forums?

Newsletters

ADSW conference

Creative media

GP/Pharmacists

Big Blether

CELCIS conference

CCPS e-bulletins and AGM

Social media

SCCYP – school campaigns

Third force news/interfaces

Quality Scotland

News briefs

Major funders – big lottery, life changes trust

Feedback – thank you to those of who left email addresses and details. We will contact you directly.

CCPS event – 13 June 2013

Discussion group 2: National Care Standards – initial thoughts

What’s good about the current NCS ?

-Outcome based

-Addressed to service users not providers

-They exist and helped raise standards

-Raised expectations of users and staff

-Provide level of clarity

What needs to be changed ?

  • Too vague
  • Not consistent
  • Categories reduce flexibility
  • ‘care’ too risk averse
  • Too compartmentalised/rigid
  • How performance is measured – consistency of interpretation, experience of inspector, inspectors knowledge of service types.
  • Where have NCS failed ? What does this tell us/
  • Care at Home does not fit well
  • Aspirational not minimum standards
  • Need to point towards good practice
  • Do the NCS indicators really relate to quality

Who uses the NCS ?

Finding that inspectors are using them less and less

  • Service providers

Should regulation/CI use NCS to grade against ?

  • Yes if services need to adhere to them they should be regulated against them

Should we have as many sets or can these be streamlined ?

  • Another set for commissioning
  • Core set of right-based principles and adaptations for different needs/settings
  • Think about existing outcomes/indicators GIRFEC

Do we need NCS ?

-Not if not linked to inspection etc

-Hmmmm .. Quality Themes are useful – what about validating providers own QA

Any other comments/suggestions/thoughts?

  • Make sure publication of consultation materials timely – to have alternative formats available such as Braille/BSL
  • Need to clarify roles of regulator and commissioning authority on the other
  • Balance standards (protection) quality(process, interaction) and outcomes

Feedback: Thank you for your comments and initial thoughts, these were very helpful.

Some of the issues that jump out include included -

  • CI should look at validating providers own QA.
  • why re create wheel – GIRFEC etc as frameworks
  • Make sure we have necessary and releevent tools to allow for meaningful and real consultation with service users