SEALANTS
MARCH 2011
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
MARCH 2 – MARCH 4, 2011
HOTEL FIRA PALACE BARCELONA
BARCELONA, SPAIN
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 2, 2011 to FRIDAY, MARCH 4, 2011
1.0OPENING COMMENTS/INTRODUCTIONS – OPEN
1.1Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Sealants Task Group (SLT) was called to order at 2:00p.m., 02-Mar-11.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/ParticipantsPresent (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAME* / Alessandra / D’Ambrosia-
Furman / Cessna Aircraft Co. / Chairperson Proxy for Jeff Kingsley
* / Kent / DeFranco / Lockheed Martin / Vice-Chairperson Proxy for Diane Kleinschmidt and Bruce Choate
Aleck / Featherston / Bell Helicopter
* / Manuel / Koucouthakis / Honeywell Aerospace / Secretary
Robert / Nixon / Triumph Group Inc.
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEDerek / Hughes / PPG Aerospace
* / Phillip / Shackley / PPG Aerospace / Proxy for Linda Smith
Chris / Wiebe / Product Manufacturing Co.
PRI Staff Present
Keith / PurnellIt was verified only subscriber members were in attendance for closed portion of the meeting.
The Antitrust and Nadcap Personal Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest were reviewed with the Task Group.
2.0APPROVAL OF OCTOBER MEETING MINUTES – OPEN
The minutes from the October 2010 SLTTG meeting and all of the RAIL open action items were reviewed.
Motion made by K. Defranco and seconded by M. Koucouthakis to approve the minutes from the October 2010 Nadcap meeting as written. Motion Passed Unanimously.
ACTION ITEM:K. Purnell to assure S. Redward is added to the June Nadcap Meeting Attendees’ Guideas an Alternate Subscriber Voting Member. (DUE DATE: 01-APR-11).
ACTION ITEM:K. Purnell to contact C. Smith and review the Nadcap subscriber voting memberrequirements as he will be replacing J. McBrien as the GSA representativeon the SLT TG.
(DUE DATE: 01-APR-11).
3.0PRI STAFF REPORT – OPEN
Staff Engineer, K. Purnell, presented the PRI Staff Report that included SealantMetrics and Staff Delegation Metrics (attached).
The draft schedule for the June 2011 Nadcap meeting in London was reviewed; the SLTTG confirmed they will meet in London. The SLTTG meeting is tentatively scheduled for Wednesday afternoon, Thursday and Friday.
4.0SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE PRESENTATION – OPEN
K. Purnell presented the attached Supplier Support Committee Update.
5.0AUDITOR CONFERNECE 2011 – OPEN
Sealant Auditor Conference will tentatively be on Monday October 17, 2011 in Pittsburgh PA.Topics will include:
Most Common NCR’s & NCR Data Analysis for Consistency
Mock Audit
Review of Sealant Manufacturing Process Flow Chart
Latest Specification Changes
Review Audit Checklists and Handbooks
Review of Sealant Application Checklist
Subscriber Issues
QPG & G9 Update
eAuditNet Enhancements
Seal Caps
Question and Answer Session
6.0USE OF TASK GROUP FORUMS – OPEN
The use of Task Group Forums was discussed as a method of communication between Staff Engineer, Task Group Subscriber Members and Auditors. The SLTTG believes the forums are a good idea but were not sure how often they would use it. There was a question on whether all Subscribers would be able to access the Forum. The Staff Engineer asked the Heat Treat Staff Engineer if their Subscribers had difficulty accessing the forum and the response was they have not experienced any problems.
7.0DEVELOPMENT OF SEALANT APPLICATION AUDIT CHECKLISTS – OPEN
The SLTTG completed drafting audit questions for the proposed sealant application audit checklist.The Sealant Application Audit Scope of Accreditations was suggested to include:
Fuel Tank Sealing - Cap Seal, Fillet, Fay, Brush, Daub, Wire Bundle, Spray
Pressure Non Fuel Area Sealing - Weather Seal, Wire Bundle
Fire Wall - Wire Bundle
ACTION ITEM:K. Purnell to enter the draft sealant application audit criteriainto the Nadcapauditchecklist template using AC7200/1 as a guide and distribute to A. D’Ambrosia Furman and K.Defranco for comments. (DUEDATE: 08-APR-11).
ACTION ITEM:A. D’Ambrosia Furman and K. Defranco to provide feedback to K. Purnell on draftchecklist. (DUEDATE: 22-APR-11).
ACTION ITEM:K. Purnell to send draft checklist to Subscribers that have attended the SLT TG meetings sinceFeb. 2010. (DUEDATE: 09-May-11).
8.0MATERIAL TESTING QUESTIONS FOR AC7200-1 & AC7202 – OPEN
The SLTTG reviewed AC7200/1 and determined the material testingquestions are general in nature and section 12.5 needs to be revised.It was suggested to rework the lab questions in AC7200/1and then develop audit questions for Non Metallic Material Testing (NMMT)for addition to AC7122. Thereneeds to be a more defined set of questions required for initial audits of a sealant manufacturer’s lab and a reduced number of questions required for reaccreditation audits.
ACTION ITEM:K. Purnell to add material testing audit question development to the June SLT TG meetingagenda. (DUE DATE: 08-APR-11).
9.0SEAL CAPS – OPEN
The SLTTG reviewed AS5502 Draft C dated 2010-01-06 titled Standard Requirements for Aerospace Sealants and Adhesion Promoters and proposed the following wording for paragraph 4.2.2.2.4 “Final Acceptance Tests for mixed sealant used to fill premixed and frozen caps. A sample of the mixed sealant that is used to fill premixed and frozen sealant caps shall be tested per 4.2.2.2.3.2”. Proposed change was e-mailed to the document sponsor K. Defranco on 3-Mar-2011 by the PRI Staff Engineer.
The SLTTG drafted the audit questions to address seal caps.
ACTION ITEM:K. Purnell to incorporate seal cap questions under paragraph 12.7 of the draft SealantApplication Audit Checklist. (DUE DATE: 01-APR-11).
10.0NEW BUSINESS – OPEN
The SLTTG discussed the feasibility of removing sealant packaging questions from AC7200/1 and having manufacturers that also perform packaging be audited to AC7200/1 and AC7202.
The question was asked about why AC7200/1 has a /1 in since there is no AC7200 and could AC7200/1 be changed to AC7200, what ramification would the change have. AC7200/1 numbering came from the previous AS7200/1. Numbering cannot be changed since accreditations have been issued against AC7200/1. Other Task Groups have similar issues since many checklists originated from Aerospace Standards.
ACTION ITEM:K. Purnell to add the topic of removal of packagingrequirements from AC7200/1to theJune Nadcap Meeting agenda. (DUE DATE: 01-APR-11).
The SLTTG questioned if there are other independent testing laboratories capable of performing tests to AS5127.
ACTION ITEM:K. Purnell to contact Sherry, NIAR and Arrow Labs to see if they are capable of testing to
AS5127. (DUE DATE: 15-APR-11).
11.0AGENDA ITEMS FOR NEXT MEETING– OPEN
The SLT TG proposed the following agenda topics:
Auditor Conference Material Preparation 2011
Sealant Application
Joint Meeting with NMMT TG
Development of Material TestingAudit Questions
Seal Caps
AC7200/1 (mixers / reactors) for comparison with composites resin checklist
12.0MEETING FACILITATOR FEEDBACK – OPEN
The meeting facilitator feedback form was completed by the Task Group and is attached below.
13.0REVIEW ROLLING ACTION ITEM LIST (RAIL) – OPEN
The SLTTG reviewed all Open Action Items. For specific details, please see the current Sealant Rolling Action Item List posted at under Public Documents.
14.0MEMBERSHIP STATUS REVIEW – NEW MEMBERS – CLOSED
The voting records and meeting attendance for Task Group Voting Members, Subscriber and Supplier, were reviewed for compliance to the requirements for maintaining membership. The requirements state that to maintain membership, a member must not be absent without approved alternate representationfrom three consecutive regular Nadcap Task Group meetings and the member, or approved alternate representation, shall not miss a vote on 2consecutive letter ballots. The Task Group Chair is allowed to waive these requirements if other circumstances warrant retention.
All Voting Members met the requirements for meeting attendance. There were no new members.
15.0REVIEW OF STAFF DELEGATION – CLOSED
The Task Group reviewed the Sealant Delegation Tracking Form for K. Purnell. Staff Engineer K. Purnell met the minimum criteria of having at least 10% of findings reviewed by the Task Group Primes with at least a 90% concurrence rate. Staff Engineer maintains delegated status.
16.0AUDIT SCHEDULE – CLOSED
The 2011 Audit schedule was reviewed so Subscribers could identify audits for oversight.
17.0NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED
17.1Review of NOP-011 Audit Failure Criteria
The latest Audit Failure data was reviewed and the new numbers were compared to the existing Failure criteria. There were only two initial audits in 2010 so the initial audit failure criteria did not change. For reaccreditation audits, the total number of NCR’s per day has increased from 3 to 5 with a cap of 8. The number of Major NCR’s per day has increased from 1 to 2. The Task Group voted to approve the above described failure criteria.
Motion made by K. Defranco and seconded by M. Koucouthakis to accept the SLTfailure criteria described above. Motion Passed Unanimously.
ACTION ITEM:K. Purnell to provide M. Graham with the SLT approved failure criteria for inclusion in the next revision of NOP-001 Appendix A.(DUE DATE:15-MAR-11)
17.2The SLTTG discussed First Pass Yield and did not see value in the topic. Checklist on Demand wasdiscussed and it could be useful for future sealant audits. Future areas for SLT expansionwere identified as seal caps, form in place sealants (FIP Strips), a sealant applicator certificationprogram and sealant application accreditation.
18.0ACTION ITEM REVIEW
The SLTTG reviewed all Open Action Items. For specific details, please see the current Sealant Rolling Action Item List posted at under Public Documents.
ADJOURNMENT – 04-Mar-11 – Meeting was adjourned at 6:00p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Keith Purnell,
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