June 2005 doc.: IEEE 802.11-05/0550r1
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
Date: 2005-06-07
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / email
Timothy P Wakeley PE / Hewlett Packard / 8000 Foothills Blvd, MS5558
Roseville, CA 95747 USA / (916) 785-1619 /
June 15 802.11n Ad-Hoc Minutes:
Everyone send private e-mail to Marc and Tim to gather e-mails and names
Round table of attendee’s names
- 11-05-0559 – working assumptions from first meeting
- Review of last teleconference
- Discussion on alternate proposal from Airgo
- Discussion on data rate for 11s mesh points. Device only needs to demonstrate one set of conditions that meets 50Mbps. Ask proposal groups to verify 50Mbps for one spatial stream.
- Discussion on alternative approach: Rely on WFA to define single stream device. 802.11n labeling
- PAR violation issue: 100Mbps mandatory in all devices or not? 11-04-0298, 100Mbps is mandatory mode in note. 11-02-798r7 PAR draft document. Official PAR has Paul Nikolich letter in front. Sept 12, 2003. Listed under WG_General, Active PARs, 11n. Section 18 not included. Might be an issue with FR9. Marc will talk to Stuart Kerry
- Enable WFA to define 11n classes of devices. Do not want 11g devices relabelled as 11n. Range or other char to define sub-11n device. Adding new FR will be difficult. Need to decode STBC for example. 11a with mimo. Cannot have optional FR. FR should define what is in proposals not devices.
- Add FR10: Use verbage of FR2 and change to 50Mbps and single stream.
- Comment: First approach lowers data rate for all 11n devices. Second defines a sub-11n, non-11n labelled device. Second approach would leave it up to WFA to define classes of devices.
- Supporters of each approach will put together slides for next teleconference.
Attendees e-mails received:
Wilson, James Mike
Shellhammer, Stephen J
Huaning Niu
Jack Winters
VK Jones
Levy, Joseph S.
Eric Tokubo
Nico Vanwaes
Lusheng Ji
June 1 802.11n Ad-Hoc Minutes:
As a result of the Cairns meeting it has been decided to create an adhoc group whose charter is to provide recommendations for modifications to the TGn FR enabling support of one stream devices to be presented to next SF IEEE meeting.
The means for achieving this is to hold a conference call every two weeks.
Then the result of this adhoc group will be presented to the TGn body for a vote.
In order to accomplish that goal I propose to have a three step approach:
1) Define clearly the class of device we would like to hae an exemption on
2) Identify modifications on the FR (which ones)
3) Check consistency with the PAR
Everyone send private e-mail to Marc and Tim to gather e-mails and names
1. Define the class of devices
2. Functional requirements that need modification
3. Review PAR
Class of devices discussions:
1. Lower power and lower cost devices
2. Stations only
3. Handhelds only, IEEE 802.11 cannot define end product
4. Get around 100Mbps requirement
5. Chair believes every device needs to deliver 100 mbps per PAR
6. Change FR and then talk about PAR later
7. Stations only??
8. Notebooks are borderline case??
9. One stream definition – change to single TX chain device??
- 2 antenna can send STBC single stream
10. Definition of spatial stream –
11. Non-AP Stations is correct IEEE term
12. Should define as single stream to allow 2 antenna STBC
13. Exemption on throughput, say 50 Mbps
14. Working assumption
- Non-AP single spatial stream
Functional requirements
1. Throughput FR1
- Cannot reach 100Mbps with one stream
- Limit to at least 50Mbps, 76% MAC efficiency is feasible
- Group agrees to need for throughput requirement – 50Mbps
- FR8 already says 3b/Hz
2. Throughput in 20MHz
Wording FR-1:
Demonstrate at least one set of conditions under which 100 Mbps at the top of the MAC SAP can be achieved for all devices except for non AP stations supporting only a single spatial stream transmission, for which 50 Mbps at the top of the MAC SAP must be demonstrated.
Provide all relevant information to document this.
Wording FR-2:
Proposal supports at least one mode of operation that supports 100 Mbps throughput at the top of the MAC SAP in a 20 MHz channel for all devices except for non AP stations supporting only a single spatial stream transmission, for which 50 Mbps at the top of the MAC SAP in a 20 MHz channel must be supported.
Provide all relevant information to document this.
Review PAR
FR-9: Must meet PAR and 5C
1. Cannot say that a device will not meet PAR
2. Review PAR
3. Take up PAR discussion during next conference call
Move time of June 29 conference call one hour earlier.
Move teleconference to July 1, July 5, 6 or June 27 to avoid WFA meeting. Committee agreed to move June 29 call to July 6 one hour earlier.
Attendees:
Marc de Courville
Grandhi, Sudheer A.
Lusheng Ji
lobodan Nedic
Zeira, Eldad
Feinberg, Paul
Ikram, Muhammad
Huaning Niu
Pen Li
Daisuke Takeda
Jack Winters
Richard VanNee
Tal, Nir
Dave Hedberg
Nico Vanwaes
Wilson, James Mike
Darren McNamara
Tim Wakeley
Shellhammer, Stephen J
Yoshiharu Doi,
TK Tan
Richard Roy
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