NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED
CONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 21-23, 2013
PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, 21-OCT-13 to WEDNESDAY, 23-OCT-13
1.0 OPENING COMMENTS
1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Nondestructive Testing Task Group (NDT) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 21-Oct-13.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAME* / Chuck / Alvarez / Goodrich (UTAS)
* / Philippe / Beck / Eurocopter
John / Biddulph / Rolls-Royce plc
* / Mitch / Birzer / General Dynamics Corp.
* / Juergen / Burchards / MTU Aero Engines
* / Antonio / Ciliberto / Alenia Aermacchi S.p.A.
* / Michael / Clark / Sikorsky Aircraft Corp.
Jason / Cook / Textron Defense Systems
* / Richard / Costantino / Goodrich (UTAS)
* / Chris / Dootson / BAE Systems - MAI
* / Steven / Garner / Eaton Aerospace
* / Frederic / Girard / Pratt & Whitney Canada
Greg / Goldhagen / Hamilton Sundstrand (UTAS)
* / Jim / Graves / Rolls-Royce Corporation
* / Luis / Grijalva / Lockheed Martin
* / Harry / Hahn / GE Aviation
* / Greg / Hall / Cessna Aircraft Company
* / Serge / Labbé / Heroux-Devtek, Inc.
Jean-Francois / Lapierre / Pratt & Whitney Canada
* / Marc-André / Lefebvre / Heroux-Devtek, Inc.
* / Donald / Maclean / Raytheon Company
Mark / Miscavage / Goodrich (UTAS)
* / Michael / Mitchell / Hamilton Sundstrand (UTAS)
* / Dale / Norwood / Parker Aerospace Stratoflex Products Div.
* / Scott / O'Connor / Honeywell Aerospace
* / Gary / O'Neill / Parker Aerospace
* / Justin / Payne / Cessna Aircraft Company
* / Robert / Rainone / Goodrich (UTAS)
Carl / Roche / Goodrich (UTAS)
* / David / Royce / Pratt & Whitney / Vice Chairperson
Kurt / Ruoff / General Dynamics Corp.
* / Victor / Schonberger / Israel Aerospace Industries
* / Bobby / Scott / Bombardier Inc. / Chairperson
* / Chris / Stevenson / Rolls-Royce Corporation
* / Terho / Sulkupuro / GKN Aerospace Sweden AB
* / Scott / Sullivan / Honeywell Aerospace
* / Pat / Thompson / Honeywell Aerospace
* / Dominique / Tomasso / SAFRAN Group
* / Peter / Torelli / The Boeing Company
* / Louis / Truckley / The Boeing Company
* / Tony / Warren / Airbus / Secretary
* / Jim / Winter / Spirit AeroSystems
* / Sean / Wood / Triumph Group
Grzegorz / Wryk / Rolls-Royce
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAMEJohn / Abrahams / RTI International Metals, Inc.
* / Christopher / Andersen / PCC Structurals
* / Michael / Ashton / Hexcel Kent
* / Andy / Bakewell / E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd.
Alban / Bakia / RTI International Metals
Lawerence / Baldelli / Met-L-Test Laboratory
* / Shawn / Ballou / Wyman Gordon
* / Gail / Bardelli / The Barden Corp.
Doug / Barra / X-Ray Industries
Marc / Breit / RIL-CHEMIE
Catharina / Brochu / Alcoa
* / N. David / Campbell / West Penn Testing Group
Wolfgang / Casta / Shellcast Foundries Inc.
Derek / Coleman / Scot Forge Company
* / Dwayne / Cooper / RTI International Metals, Inc.
Nathalie / Crozat-Vigier / SKF Aerospace France
* / Robert / Custer / AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc.
Stephen / Davidson / Denison Industries
Douglas / Davies / Alcoa Fastening Systems
Sharon / Davis / Northeast Testing & Mfg, LLC.
Tim / Emmenegger / Mistras Group
* / Paul / Evans / James Fisher IMS
Nick / Fajerson / Denison Industries
* / Richard / Gasset / Lisi Aerospace
* / David / Gray / Mitchell Labs
Michael J. / Guthmiller / Applied Aerospace Structures Corp
* / Bob / Henchar / X-R-I Testing
Eric / Henry / Applied Technical Services
Pablo / Hernande / Coast Plating
Fabienne / Héron / BabbCo
Lisa / Hill / Composites Atlantic Ltd.
* / Helmuth / Hoeller / FACC
* / Jeff / Jones / Alloy Processing, Inc.
* / Richard / King / New Hampshire Ball Bearings
Richard / Kline / X-R-I Testing
Yanick / Lavallee / RTI Claro Inc.
Jim / MacMillan / ATS
* / John / Massie / Turbo Combustor Technology
* / Bill / McKessy / Howmet Corp/Hampton Casting (HHC)
Zachary / Medeiros / Timken Aerospace
Joe / Meyers / Scot Forge
Josef / Michol / XRI Testing
* / Dave / Mitchell / Composite Inspection Solutions
Juan / Moreno / Omni Metal Finishing
Carmen / Murphy / Applied Technical Services
Julie / Nguyen / Element Materials Technologies
* / Blair / O'Connell / Precision Castparts Corp.
Peter / Peterson / Denel Aerostructures
* / Mark / Pompe / West Penn Testing Group
Robert / Poole / Southwest United Industries, Inc.
Curt / Powell / PCC Structurals
* / Jonathan / Pugh / Exova UK Ltd.
* / Steve / Radelich / Jorgensen Forge
Jim / Reinhardt / Applus RTD Canada LP
Catherine / Renfer / ESCO Turbine Technologies
* / Cindy / Roth / Team Industrial Services
* / Frank / Saenz / Hi-Tech Metal Finishing
Tony / Schmaltz / Protective Coatings Inc.
Yuki / Shinagawa / Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd.
John / Smith / Sandvik Special Metals
* / Michael D. / Steele / Northstar Aerospace Chicago Inc.
Jackie / Sternot / PAKO, Inc.
Ronald / Stewart / Ellison Surface Technologies
Wilfried / Weber / PFW Aerospace AG
* / Gary / White / Orbit Industries Inc.
David / Wilk / Semiray Special Process
Jason / Williams / Aurora Flight Sciences
Michael / Wolf / Finishing Professionals, LLC
PRI Staff Present
Mark / AubeleMike / Gutridge
Dave / Marcyjanik
1.2 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes– OPEN
The minutes from June 2013 were approved as written.
Motion made by Mike Mitchell and seconded by Pete Torelli to approve the minutes of the June 2013 meeting in Paris. Motion Passed
1.3 RAIL Review – OPEN
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed.
Dave Marcyjanik gave presentation on the RAIL open items.
For specific details, please see the current NDT Rolling Action Item List posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
2.0 PRI Report / RAIL /NMC Metrics– OPEN
Mike Gutridge and Dave Marcyjanik gave a presentation on the PRI Staff Report which included items on staff delegation, geo-scheduling, NMC metrics and the checklist top five NCR’s.
3.0 Clarification Data Base – OPEN
Andy Bakewell gave a presentation on the current status if the Clarification Database.
The discussion items included the highlighting of the following items to the sub-groups for discussion:
AC7114/1: The acceptable use of known defect standards panels.
The use of Acetone during the wipe off technique, does the decision take into account European concerns.
AC7114/2: The use of defective parts to establish machine settings.
The details required on NDT Instructions (techniques).
4.0 Supplier Report & Discussion – OPEN
Gary White gave an overview of the Supplier Support Committee and its activities.
5.0 Nadcap and NDT Procedure Review – OPEN
Dave Marcyjanik gave an overview of the changes to the Nadcap operating procedures since the last meeting in Paris.
6.0 Method Sub-Team – Breakout Sessions – OPEN
The membership of the sub teams was amended as follows:
AC7114 - Add Mike Clark and Jim Graves.
AC7114/3 – Antonio Ciliberto and Jean-Francois Lapierre.
AC7114/5 - Add Lou Truckley as Chair.
The Task Group discussed and voted on the check list amendments proposed by the method sub groups.
Please see the NDT Document Change Spreadsheet (DCS) posted in eAuditNet for status of all proposed changes.
7.0 Technical Issues and Open Discussion Items – OPEN
Rick Gasset asked if it was acceptable to use a higher sensitivity penetrant than what is specified on the part drawing. This was a standard drawing for a fastener that required Level 2 sensitivity penetrant, supplier only had Level 3 sensitivity material. The Task Group decided that the question should be directed to the end customer that issues the PO as it would either require a deviation or waiver.
8.0 Ad-Hoc Team – Breakout Sessions – OPEN
A meeting took place of the Etch sub group.
A discussion took place on the etch checklist revision process. The Chemical Processing Task Group (CP) details will be actual etch process will be the responsibility of CP and the NDT Task Group will establish a baseline checklist which will address etch inspection requirements, to include the following:
Training and certification of personnel (exams), inspection process control, pre-cleaning, viewing aids, inspection records, control of test samples, etc.
ACTION ITEM: Scott Sullivan, Gary White and Lou Truckley to formulate a survey for to be sent to all (Subscribers and Suppliers). Survey to request information regarding proposed inspection checklist items as noted above. (Due Date: 8-Nov-2013)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to send survey and request response 2 weeks after it is sent out. Results to be forwarded to NDT sub-team leads (Scott Sullivan and Bob Rainone). (Due Date 28-Feb-2013)
9.0 Task Group Regular Business Items – CLOSED
The Chairman verified that only Subscribers (blue badge holders) were in attendance at the closed meeting.
Five observation audits were performed since the last meeting:
145225 observed by Vincent Millan – Eurocopter
148817 observed by Lou Truckley – Boeing
149737 observed by Fangmei Chu – Honeywell
154127 observed by Tony Warren – Airbus
156044 observed by Pete Torelli – Boeing
Two Scope extension audits were performed.
Four Supplier Advisories were issued 2281, 2292, 2311 and 2320.
There were two failed audits failed since the June 2013 meeting none of which were overturned by the Task Group.
Delegation oversight is at 77.8% (10% minimum). Staff Engineers with delegation to continue, no issues noted. Dave Marcyjanik to be consider for delegation during the February 2014 meeting.
There were no lapsed audits out of 1009 conducted in 2012. One lapsed audit between June 2013 and October 2013.
Eight extensions to audit expiration dates were granted since the June 2013 meeting. These were all due to PRI scheduling issues / Auditor availability.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Sean Wood for audits performed by Red Line Auditors to request procedures from a sample of Suppliers to evaluate if the Auditors have missed any potential findings. (This is a request and not a mandatory requirement). To be brought forward for discussion in the open meeting agenda. Motion Passed.
10.0 Task Group Resolutions – CLOSED
No Task Group Resolutions.
11.0 Appeals, Ethics & Extension Requests – CLOSED
No appeals, ethics or extensions requests.
12.0 New Business – CLOSED
Discussed issues with completing audits in regions of the world where unrest is prevalent. Recommend submitting to NMC for action / recommendations.
ACTION ITEM: Bobby Scott to include this issue in report to Planning & Operations meeting. Request NMC to evaluate options for maintaining accreditations for those Suppliers affected. (Due Date: 28-Feb-2013)
13.0 SUPPLEMENTS– CLOSED
The implementation of supplement questions and subsequent checklist issuance was discussed. The Task Group is to form an ad hoc group to discuss a strategy for getting supplement checklist changes released for use sooner. Members are Chris Stevenson, Jim Graves, Scott Sullivan, Rhonda Joseph and Mike Gutridge.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to prepare a presentation to show how the supplement checklists are amended and balloted. (Due Date: 28-Feb-2014)
14.0 New Business – OPEN
The following new Subscribers members have met the criteria for Task Group membership and were proposed to the Task Group:
· Scott O’Connor – Honeywell
· Greg Hall – Northrop Grumman
· Antonio Ciliberto – Alenia Aermacchi S.p.A.
· Harry Hahn – GE Aviation
· Frederic Girard – Pratt & Whitney Canada
· Justin Payne – Cessna Aircraft Company
· Jim Winter – Spirit AeroSystems
Motion made by Scott Sullivan and seconded by Pat Thompson to approve Scott O’Connor, Greg Hall, Antonio Ciliberto and Harry Hahn as Task Group members. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Sean Wood to approve Frederic Girard, Justin Payne and Jim Winter as Task Group members. Motion Passed.
The following new Supplier Voting Members were proposed to the Task Group:
· Frank Saenz – Hi Tech Metal Finishing
· Dwayne Cooper – Wyman Gordon
· Douglas Davies – Alcoa Fastening Systems
· Douglas Barra – Integrity Aerospace Group, X-R-I (Alternate)
Motion made by Pat Thompson and seconded by Gary White to approve Frank Saenz, Dwayne Cooper, Douglas Davies and Douglas Barra as Supplier Voting Members. Motion Passed.
A review of the Voting Member maintenance requirements was conducted.
Motion made by Chris Stevenson and seconded by Steve Garner to maintain Timothy Doane of the 309th Maintenance Wing as a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion Passed.
The following personnel were removed as Supplier Voting Member of the Task Group:
Motion made by Gary White and seconded by Steve Garner to remove Guy Saenz Hi Tech Metal Finishing as a Supplier voting member. Motion Passed.
NOTE: After additional review it was detected that a representative of Hi-Tech Metal Finishing was in attendances (Frank Saenz) and voted in as an Alternate Supplier Voting Member. As a result, Guy Saenz should not have lost his voting rights and will be reinstated at the upcoming NDT Teleconference call slated for 07-Nov-2013.
The following Subscribers were removed as voting members of the Task Group:
Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Sean Wood to remove Michael Daehling of Cessna Aircraft a Subscriber Voting Member. Motion Passed.
Nathalie Crozat-Vigier provided a presentation and update on the proposed job tracker form. The team consists of Alain Bouchet (Lead), Nathalie Crozat-Vigier and Dave Grey.