COMPOSITES, Non Metallic Testing Subgroup

COMPOSITES, Non Metallic Testing Subgroup

April 2006

UNCONFIRMED MINUTES

26-27APRIL2006

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These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 26, 2006– NONMETALLICS (CLOSED MEETING) MORNING SESSION

1.0Opening Comments

1.1Call to Order/Quorum Check

The Nonmetallics Testing subgroup of the Composites Task Group Meeting was called to order by Andreas Mastorakis at 8 a.m. A quorum of qualifying members was established.

1.2Introductions were made by all attendees.

1.3The following representatives were in attendance:

User Members Present
Name / Company
Peter / Atwell / AIRBUS
Muriel / Auzarne / AIRBUS
Mike / Bemis / Goodrich Aerostructures
Sharon / Byett / Rolls Royce
Neil / Clarke / Rolls-Royce
Marsha / Davis / Lockheed Martin
Hugh / Dickinson / Boeing
Uta / Dietrich / AIRBUS
Manna / Domenico / Alenia Aeronautic s.p.a.
Kevin / Dowling / Spirit Aerosystems
Jim / Hartman / Honeywell Aerospace
Miraflor / Jacobs / Boeing
Keith / Kastner / Cessna – Textron
Betty / Kocsis / Honeywell
Frank / Liang / GE Aviation
Frank / Lennert / Boeing
Lance / Loeks / Boeing
Jason / Martin / Spirit Aerosystems
Andreas / Mastorakis / GE Aviation
Laurence / Potez / SAFRAN Group
Doug / Prenovost / Northrop Grumman
Arun / Sibal / Lockheed Martin
Colin / Turner / Boeing
David / Watson / Bombardier
Steve / Wishnowski / Bombardier
Shen / Yeh / Northrop Grumman
Other Participants/Members Present
Marcel / Francois / Aircelle Limited
Niko V. / Gjaja / The M&P Lab
Pen / Guorei / Fushun Special Steel
Brett / Hemingway / BAE Systems
Eric / Le Fort / SONACA
David / Serbousek / Olympic Scientific, Inc.
Peter / Wu-Chyan Pan / AEF/AIDC
Yan / Xiufen / Shenyang Liming
Fan / Zhengyi / Fushun Special Steel
PRI Staff Present
Rebekah Foutz / PRI Staff (Warrendale, PA)
David Luoni / PRI Staff (Warrendale, PA)

2.0Routing of Attendance List

The attendance list was routed for signatures.

3.0Composite and Materials Testing Laboratories Task Group Primes

A combined meeting with Composites and Material Testing Laboratories task group was convened to address the future responsibility for the Non Metallic Materials Testing sub task group.

3.1The options under discussion were as follows:

1.Require ISO/IEC 17025; remain in MTL Task Group

2.Transfer to Composites Task Group; maintains current process

3.Create a New Task Group

4.1 TG to handle ‘captive’ labs; another for independent labs.

3.2After discussion of these options was completed a motion was made and seconded to adopt option 2 as the direction the sub task group will operate to. A vote was then taken with a quorum met and all present MTL voting members accepting the option 2 proposal with no rejections or abstentions.

ACTION ITEM – David Luoni to forward a list of voting members of the Non Metallic Materials Testing Task Group to Rebekah Foutz

Action Item – All composites Task Group prime voting members to identify appropriate alternate from Materials Testing Laboratories to give them voting rights in this sub group

ACTION ITME – PRI to send out e-mail to identify voting membership requirements for the Composites Task Group

ACTION ITEM – Composites Task Group must clearly document formal acceptance of the Non Metallic sub-team

ADJOURNMENT – The meeting was adjourned at 12p.m.

Wednesday, 26 April 2006 (OPEN SESSION)

AFTERNOON SESSION

Lance Loeks and Andreas Mastorakis presented to the Composites Task Group members the history and the progress of the Non Metallic Material Testing Sub Task Group, the progress to date, and the expectations for AC7122/1 and AC7122/2 checklist balloting to ready for proposed upcoming pilot audits.

Some the of auditor requirements and availability to support the proposed upcoming pilot audits was discussed.

ADJOURNMENT – This meeting was adjourned at 4:30 p.m.

THURSDAY, 27JANUARY 2006 (OPEN SESSION)

4.0Checklist and Standard development

4.1Future of AS7122

4.1.1Now that AS7122 will no longer be the supporting document, the Task group must decide what to do with it. TG has ownership of AS document and has option of maintaining it.

4.1.2Suggestion was made to turn AS7122 into AC7122 (no slash). A final decision was not made.

Action Item–PRI to determine if a periodic review is required for AS documents

ACTION ITEM – Andreas Mastorakis to forward Airbus’ list of suppliers to PRI

4.2Test Matrix

4.2.1eAuditNet will not support alpha characters for identifying slash sheets, therefore, the current numbering system in the test matrix must be changed.

4.2.2Numbering system suggested by Niko was presented. This system will allow additions or subtractions without requiring complete renumbering.

4.2.3Motion was made and approved to accept new numbering system. Table with new numbering system will be inserted into next draft of AC7122 and AS7122.

4.2.4It was decided (in Long Beach) that 50% of tests in category (up to a maximum of six) must be audited if seeking certification for entire section (e.g. mechanical, thermal) or specific tests can be chosen.

4.2.5Supplier selects tests for which they are seeking accreditation.

4.2.6It was decided that Betty Kocsis will maintain and coordinate the AC7122/1, Mike Bemis will maintain and coordinate the AC 7122/2 checklist, and Andreas Mastorakis will maintain and coordinate the AS7122.

4.2.7Specimen conditioning will be added as Section 2 in the AC7122/2,

ACTION ITEM – Niko Gjaja to provide word version of matrix to Mike Bemis and Andreas Mastorakis

ACTION ITEM – Andreas Mastorakis, Mike Bemis, and Betty Kocsis are to meet to discuss the AS7122, AC7122/1 and AC7122/2

ACTION ITEM – Andreas Mastorakis to remove A1-30 fatigue from matrix

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to add degree to paragraph 5.3.2

ACTION ITEM – PRI (David Luoni) to request another copy of 17025 comparison presented at Long Beach meeting in March 2006

ACTION ITEM – PRI to send all documents out on a 21-day letter ballot by 15 June, 2006

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to delete former section 36.8 (February 2006 AC7122/2 First Draft) “Test Temperature reported”

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis and Betty Kocsis to delete former section 36.15 (exactly the same as section 36.14)

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to delete: AC7122/2 section 4.7.4.c “Hole Diameter, if applicable”

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to delete: AC7122/2 section 4.13.18.i

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to delete: AC7122/2 section 4.15.17.j

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis, Andreas Mastorakis, and Betty Kocsis to revise AC7122/1, AC7122/2 and AS7122 to include alignment per Paul Braun/Jim Rossi’s recommendation of one iteration

ACTION ITEM – Uta Deitritch to determine origin of Section 37.2.3

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to delete the clause in AC7122/2 section 4.15.2 “(check one)”

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to delete the clause in AC7122/2 section 4.17.2 “(check one)”

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to delete “So” at the beginning of section 5.10.1.b in AC7122/2, and capitalize “Handling”

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to change title of 5.8 to Panel Lay-Up and Cure

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to review sections 5.8 – 5.25 for possible renumbering

ACTION ITEM – Mike Bemis to change 5.23 to Adhesive Cure and change Bonding Cure to Adhesive Cure throughout the document

ACTION ITEM – Andreas Mastorakis to forward Uta’s ballot comments to Mike Bemis

ACTION ITEM – PRI to review past Composite Auditor candidates to evaluate their experience in materials testing

5.0Pilot Audits

5.1Four possible pilot audits are planned for draft AC7122. These locations would be laboratories located in:

5.1.1Salt Lake City, UT, USA

5.1.2Anaheim, CA, USA

5.1.3Cincinnati, OH, USA

5.1.4Ireland

6.0Auditor Status

6.1Auditor interviews were held and one auditor was approved, Paul McCarthey, pending training in non metallic materials testing. Different alternatives were discussed including sending them to Primes or laboratories for training.. Approved auditor is a non-US citizen.

6.2A second interview was set for15 May 2006.

Action Item – Primes to define nonmetallic auditor training requirements

7.0Action Item Review / Closing comments

7.1The action items from the March meeting in Long Beachwere reviewed and Action Item table was updated.

The action items were reviewed. Please reference the following action item list for due dates.

***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)
YES* NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision: / Who is responsible: / Due date:
Bekah – please complete as needed.

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ACTION ITEM LIST

Action Items from 27 April 2006, Non Metallic Materials Testing, Beijing, China
ACTION ITEM # / ACTION
ITEM / ASSIGNED
TO / ESTIMATED
COMPLETION
DATE / STATUS/DATE
COMPLETED
1 / Send Rebekah Foutz the list of non metallic team voting members for transfer into the Composites Task Group / David Luoni / 5 May 2006 / 9 May 2006
2 / All composites Task Group prime voting members to identify appropriate alternate from Materials Testing Laboratories to give them voting rights in this sub group / PRIMES / 31 May 2006
3 / Send out e-mail to identify voting membership requirements for the Composites Task Group / PRI / 19 May 2006
4 / Composites Task Group must clearly document formal acceptance of the Non Metallic sub-team / PRIMES/PRI / 26 May 2006
5 / Determine if AS standards are required to be reviewed on a periodic basis / PRI / 31 May 2006
6 / Forward Airbus’ list of suppliers to PRI / Andreas Mastorakis / 31 May 2006
7 / To provide word version of AS7122 Matrix to Mike Bemis and Andreas Mastorakis. / Niko Gjaja / 5 May 2006
8 / To discuss AS7122, AC7122/1, and AC7122/2. / Andreas Mastorakis, Mike Bemis, and Betty Kocsis / 19 May 2006
9 / Remove A1-30 (Fatigue) from Matrix. / Andreas Mastorakis / 15 June 2006
10 / Add °C reference to 5.3.2 / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
11 / Request another copy of the ISO 17025 and AS9100 comparison that was provided by NSL Analytical at the March 2006 meeting in Long Beach. / David Luoni / 15 June 2006
12 / Send all documents out on a 21-day letter ballot by 15 June, 2006 / PRI / 15 June 2006
13 / Delete former section 36.8 (February 2006 AC7122/2 First Draft) “Test Temperature reported”. / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
14 / Delete former section 36.15 (exactly the same as section 36.14. / Betty Kocsis/Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
15 / Delete: AC7122/2 section 4.7.4.c “Hole Diameter, if applicable”. / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
16 / Delete: AC7122/2 section 4.13.18.i / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
17 / Delete: AC7122/2 section 4.15.17.j / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
18 / Revise AC7122/1, AC7122/2 and AS7122 to include alignment per Paul Braun/Jim Rossi’s recommendation of one iteration / Andreas Mastorakis, Betty Kocsis, and Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
19 / To determine origin of Section 37.2.3. / Uta Deitritch / 15 June 2006
20 / Delete the clause in AC7122/2 section 4.15.2 “(check one)” / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
21 / Delete the clause in AC7122/2 section 4.17.2 “(check one)” / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
22 / Delete “So” at the beginning of section 5.10.1.b in AC7122/2, and capitalize “Handling” / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
23 / Change title of 5.8 to Panel Lay-Up and Cure / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
24 / To review sections 5.8 – 5.25 for possible renumbering. / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
25 / Change 5.23 to Adhesive Cure and change Bonding Cure to Adhesive Cure throughout the document. / Mike Bemis / 15 June 2006
26 / Forward Uta’s ballot to Mike Bemis. / Andreas Mastorakis / 15 June 2006
27 / PRI to review past Composite Auditor candidates to evaluate their experience in materials testing. / PRI / 15 June 2006
28 / Define nonmetallic auditor training requirements. / PRIMES / 10 July 2006
Action Items from March 2006,Nonmetallics Testing Group Meeting, Long Beach, CA, USA
ACTION ITEM # / ACTION
ITEM / ASSIGNED
TO / ESTIMATED
COMPLETION
DATE / STATUS/DATE
COMPLETED
1 / AC7122, paragraph 4.26.1 –review T/C requirements for clarification. / Neil Clarke
Jim Rossi / April 14 / Open – DKL to follow up with Jim Rossi and Neil regarding this concern.
2 / Ballot changes to NIP-002 App III B Non Metallic Material Test Laboratory auditor requirements / David Luoni / April 7 / Completed
3 / Arrange for George Hayes and Paul McCarthy to complete the auditor questionnaires, specific to nonmetallics testing. / David Luoni / April 10 / Paul McCarthy interviewed; G. Hayes to be interviewed by May 15.
4 / Set up auditor interview; Set up telephone interview(s) for week of April 10. / David Luoni / April 10 / Completed
5 / Determine the identities and number of laboratories that will be audited and provide those numbers to D. Luoni. This is for raw materials, composites, prepregs, resins, plastics, elastomers (sealants), adhesives, ceramics, honeycomb. / PRIMES / APRIL 10 / Completed
6 / Send out the 4 possible options for the nonmetallics identity to the subteam. Note in email that there will be a closed meeting in Beijing to make the final decision. Closed meeting immediately following NMC Meeting with Composites. / David Luoni / April 7 / Completed
7 / Check regarding numbering in eAuditNet. Can numbering be 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, etc. on each slashsheet? Can section title just be ID’d by letter? Example: Test Matrix requirements (sect. 37) ID’d as “A”? / David Luoni / April 17 / Complete
8 / Add test number reference from the matrix to the initial checklist test paragraph, and a Table of Contents to each checklist. / Mike Bemis / May 31 / May 31
9 / Delete section 2.4 from checklist from the AS7122 document, last sentence, section 4.3.1. / Andreas Mastorakis / May 31 / May 31
10 / AC7122/1, section 8 – can be asterisked as covered by ISO/IEC 17025. / Betty Kocsis / May 31 / May 31
11 / Move section 13 requirements and combine into Section 8 (Calibration). Combine sections 8-17. / Betty Kocsis / May 31 / May 31
12 / Update AS7122, paragraph 4.12, to match AC7122, Section 21.2. / Andreas Mastorakis / May 31 / May 31
13 / Move section 3 to section 4 in AC7122/1. / Betty Kocsis / May 31 / May 31
14 / Renumber section 35 / David Luoni / May 31 / May 31
15 / 36.12, 36.14, 36.15 – Add Appendix C as an appendix to this checklist. Renumber section 36.16 on. / Mike Bemis Bemis / May 31 / May 31
16 / Revise AC7122/1, AC7122/2 and AS7122 to include alignment per Paul Braun/Jim Rossi’s recommendation of one iteration. / Andreas Mastorakis, Betty Kocsis, and Mike / May 31 / May 31
17 / To determine origin of Sections 37.2.3. / Uta / May 31 / May 31
18 / Section 37.4.2 – Repeat questions from previous section. / David Luoni / April 17 / April 17
19 / Section 37.4.3.6 – Repeat wording from Ambient Tensile Testing section. / David Luoni / April 17 / Completed
20 / Add Test A1-3, Strain Measurement. Reference back to Uta – review in Beijing. / David Luoni / April 17 / Completed
21 / Send revised checklists to members prior to Beijing meeting. / David Luoni / April 17 / April 17

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