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SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION

OCCUPATIONAL INFORMATION DEVELOPMENT

ADVISORY PANEL QUARTERLY MEETING

JUNE 10, 2009

HYATT REGENCY - McCORMICK PLACE

CHICAGO, ILLINOIS

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DR. MARY BARROS-BAILEY

INTERIM CHAIR

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1 M E M B E R S

2 MARY BARROS-BAILEY, Ph.D., INTERIM CHAIR

3 GUNNAR ANDERSSON, M.D.

4 ROBERT T. FRASER, M.D.

5 SHANAN GWALTNEY GIBSON, Ph.D.

6 THOMAS A. HARDY, J.D.

7 SYLVIA E. KARMAN

8 DEBORAH E. LECHNER

9 DAVID J. SCHRETLEN, M.D.

10 NANCY G. SHOR, J.D.

11 MARK A. WILSON, Ph.D.

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13 C O N T E N T S

14 ITEM:

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16 Welcome, Overview of Agenda 4

17 National Association of Disability

Examiners

18 Georgina B. Huskey, President 14

19 National Council of Disability

Determination Directors

20 Trudy Lyon-Hart, Secretary 43

21 Clinical Inference in Assessment

of MRFC Capacity

22 David A. Schretlen, Ph.D. 80

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1 C O N T E N T S (CON'T)

2 ITEM:

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4 User Needs Subcommittee Chair Report 135

5 Physical Demands Subcommittee Chair Report 151

6 Public Comment 193

7 Mental/Cognitive Subcommittee Chair Report 225

8 Panel Discussion and Deliberation 247

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1 P R O C E E D I N G S

2 MS. TIDWELL-PETERS: My name is Debra

3 Tidwell-Peters. I'm the Designated Federal Officer

4 for the Occupational Information Development

5 Advisory Panel. And we will welcome you to the

6 third quarterly meeting. I'm going to turn the

7 meeting over to the interim chair, Dr. Mary

8 Barros-Bailey. Mary.

9 DR. BARROS-BAILEY: Good morning,

10 everybody. I would like to welcome you all. This

11 is our third meeting since February, and we are on

12 track now. We are at our third quarterly meeting in

13 two quarters. So welcome, everybody. It's hard to

14 believe that we have only been at this for three and

15 a half months, because there is a lot of work that's

16 been done. I want to, as we launch this meeting,

17 thank everybody for all your hard work.

18 I would also like to welcome Paul Krieglig

19 (phonetic), the Community Management Officer for

20 Social Security Administration who is sitting in the

21 back. And this Panel meeting we also would like to

22 welcome Associate Commissioner of Office Program

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1 Development and Research, Richard Balkus. Richard

2 is going to be swearing in Dr. Gunnar Andersson to

3 the Panel this morning. So welcome.

4 MR. BALKUS: Good morning. At the

5 inaugural meeting the Commissioner swore in panel

6 members. Before the meeting ended I had the

7 privilege of swearing in Dr. Barros-Bailey, our

8 interim chair to the Advisory Panel. This morning I

9 have the honor to swear in Dr. Gunnar Andersson as

10 our 12th member of the Advisory Panel.

11 So Dr. Andersson, I would ask you to raise

12 your right hand and repeat after me.

13 (Whereupon, Dr. Gunnar Andersson was

14 sworn in.)

15 MR. BALKUS: Congratulations. Thank you.

16 DR. BARROS-BAILEY: Thank you, Richard.

17 Dr. Andersson, Gunnar, welcome, and we're

18 delighted to have you with us today. Would you just

19 take a few minutes and tell us about your background

20 and work. And just -- the mikes just need a slight

21 tap.

22 DR. ANDERSSON: I am an orthopedic

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1 surgeon. I was trained in Sweden. I practice at

2 Rush University Medical Center here in Chicago,

3 Illinois. I specialize in spine. I have been

4 interested in the effect of work on the

5 musculoskeletal system for almost 40 years. I am

6 publishing widely on issues related to the influence

7 of lifting, twisting, other types of activities on

8 the spine; sitting, standing. Published textbooks

9 on occupational biomechanics.

10 DR. BARROS-BAILEY: Thank you. And as we

11 welcome a new member to the Panel, we would also

12 like to inform you and the audience of the

13 resignation of Mr. James Woods. We wish Jim all the

14 best in his future endeavors.

15 At this point we're going to go ahead and

16 review the agenda for the day. And in order to

17 assure completion of our September assignment, our

18 daunting task, this meeting of the Panel will

19 primarily provide us with the opportunity to discuss

20 and deliberate the beginning stages of each

21 subcommittee's recommendation. We will also hear

22 from two member organizations, and look forward to

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1 their insight and advice that they can provide us.

2 The Chair of the Mental Cognitive

3 Subcommittee will be providing a presentation,

4 Drawing Inferences; and later this afternoon from

5 2:30 to 3:30 we're going to have the opportunity to

6 have public comment. Tomorrow we will continue with

7 the deliberation and planning of future meetings,

8 and then adjourn at noon. For those listening on

9 the phone, I'm going to announce breaks so that you

10 are aware of when we are not in session and when we

11 are planning on coming back.

12 Since April the Panel has been very, very

13 busy identifying information that will feed into the

14 work of each subcommittee; and ultimately, into our

15 final recommendations in September. And because

16 there are new members in the audience, and those

17 listening in might have been involved in previous

18 meetings, I would like to draw your attention to the

19 Panel's charter and to our mission. And we iterate

20 that it is to provide independent advice and

21 recommendations to Commissioner Astrue and the

22 Social Security Administration as it -- on its plans

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1 and activities to replace the Dictionary of

2 Occupational Titles in the Social Security

3 Administration's disability determination process.

4 The recommendations that are due in

5 September will outline the type of occupational

6 information that the Social Security Administration

7 should collect, as well as recommendations on the

8 type of classification system that the Agency should

9 use.

10 The OIDAP is the second stage in terms of

11 a larger project that considers the use of

12 occupational information. And I will have the

13 project director, Sylvia Karman say a couple words

14 about that project. Sylvia.

15 MS. KARMAN: Good morning, everyone.

16 Thank you, Mary.

17 One of the things that we think we would

18 want to do, especially since new individuals join us

19 by phone and in the -- in the audience every time we

20 have a meeting, is to just go over a little bit

21 about what our projects entails. We have a number

22 of efforts underway of which the Panel is one large

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1 feature of that, and we are, you know, looking at

2 replacing the use of the Dictionary of Occupational

3 Titles in our program and creating something that is

4 tailored for SSA's use and SSA's needs.

5 Right now we have something where we're

6 looking at short-term solutions as well as long

7 term. The Panel is -- is convened, has been

8 established to help the Agency assess how it should

9 be moving forward with regard to the long-term

10 efforts. So -- and they are largely research and

11 development oriented.

12 When the Agency gets to the point in the

13 process where we have begun to collect data and are

14 able to analyze it, then the Agency will be in a

15 position to make policy determinations about what

16 might need to change, if anything needs to change

17 with the policy. But the Panel will not be working

18 on policy issues per se, although, what the Panel

19 may be recommending and what our project team is

20 working on would certainly, we're hoping, be helpful

21 in informing possible policy development. But

22 anyway, it is just something we would like to make

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1 clear to people that we not here to develop policy.

2 One of the things that I think is also

3 helpful is if I could call your attention to the

4 road map, which is behind section one for those of

5 you who have the materials. And first -- second red

6 divider is the road map for Developing an

7 Occupational Information System for Social Security

8 Administration. This is basically, you know, an

9 outline that shows what we're thinking the project

10 would entail in terms of activities, you know, how

11 the Panel is involved with the Agency. At what

12 point the Panel would be involved with the Agency.

13 What the Agency is doing, and who is doing what

14 when.

15 So, for example, if we look under part one

16 we will see right now we're developing a content

17 model. We're also developing a classification

18 system -- at least an initial one -- to get us

19 started.

20 So SSA will -- you know, has proposed

21 plans in working papers and presented them to the

22 Panel with regard to developing a content model,

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1 with regard to developing an initial classification

2 system. And then, of course, as we all know, the

3 Panel will be developing recommendations, has been

4 working in several subcommittees to pull that

5 together. Then the staff will take that

6 information -- once the Panel has provided the

7 recommendations to the commissioner, SSA will then

8 determine how to move forward. And as we do that,

9 staff will be developing content model

10 classification system instruments as needed, and

11 then we will be coming back to the Panel, back

12 through SSA management.

13 So it's an iterative process whereby the

14 Panel will be involved at every step as well as, you

15 know, working closely with our internal SSA

16 workgroup. So it's just a way of people being able

17 to see where we're headed.

18 Also, we have provided an appendix to that

19 road map that shows all of the meetings that we have

20 held, and we're going to be also posting our

21 background papers, working papers all of that

22 material so that people can see what we have

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1 provided to the Panel, and the materials that we've

2 developed to outline where we're going to be moving

3 next. So I think that's -- that's all I have for

4 now, Mary.

5 DR. BARROS-BAILEY: Thank you, Sylvia.

6 If you notice the road map has been

7 updated from the first couple times we've seen it.

8 It is a really important document that has helped us

9 put together a time line, as we will be discussing

10 later today.

11 So thank you, Sylvia, for your work on

12 that.

13 At this time -- well, at the April meeting

14 we kind of expanded the role of the User Needs

15 Subcommittee to include relations. And the Panel --

16 the creation of this subcommittee was to be able to

17 not only look at the needs, but also to reach out to

18 our stakeholders.

19 One of the first efforts has been to

20 identify organizations who can provide us with

21 useful input and information in terms of seasoned

22 guidance about the current use of the DOT, and to

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1 assist in identification of information currently

2 used that is incomplete or non-existent, but it's

3 vital in terms of the day-to-day operations -- in

4 terms of the day to day operations of the Social

5 Security disabilities -- Disability Associations,

6 disability determination process.

7 So I would like to introduce Georgina

8 Huskey. She is the president of the National

9 Association of Disability Examiners who will be

10 presenting to us this morning. As a member of NADE

11 since 1992, Georgina has been involved with the Los

12 Angeles chapter in several capacities and worked in

13 many national committees, most notably being honored

14 as Chair of the Litigation Monitoring Committee and

15 the recipient of the Regional Supervisor's award in

16 2005.

17 She served as the Pacific Region President

18 for three years, and she was the Pacific Regional

19 Director for four years. During the 25 year tenure