COMP/NMMM/NMMT CLOSED
FEBRUARY 2013
CONFIRMED MINUTES
CONFIRMED MINUTES
FEBRUARY 18-22, 2013
WESTIN PARK CENTRAL HOTEL
DALLAS, TEXAS, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 20 (CLOSED MEETING FOR COMP/NMMM/NMMT)
0.1 Opening Comments – CLOSED
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The closed meeting of COMP/NMMM/NMMT was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 20-Feb-13.
A quorum of 18 Subscribing Voting Members was established with the representatives in attendance, listed above.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME / COMPANY NAME* / Peter / Atwell / Airbus S.A.S / Secretary
* / Mike / Bemis / Goodrich (UTAS)
Ping / Chen / COMAC
* / Ray / Cleghorn / The Boeing Company
* / Lucia / Cutillo / Alenia Aeronautica S.p.A.
Jean / Czachor / GE Aviation
Chris / Davison / Spirit AeroSystems
* / Joseph / DeVirgilio / The Boeing Company
* / Kevin / Dowling / Spirit AeroSystems
* / Patrick / Dunleavy / SAFRAN Group
* / Brett / Hemingway / BAE Systems (MAI)
Tommy / Howland / Spirit PQA
* / Mark / Jackson / Triumph Group, Inc.
* / MIke / Kahler / Ball Aerospace & Technologies
* / John / Key / Bell Helicopter / Chairperson
* / Betty / Kocsis / Honeywell Aerospace
Ron / Kramer / Gulfstream Aerospace
* / Eric / LeFort / Sonaca
* / Lance / Loeks / The Boeing Company
* / Andreas / Mastorakis / GE Aviation
* / Angelina / Mendoza / Goodrich (UTAS)
Winton / Mullen / Spirit AeroSystems
* / Larry / Olsen / Northrop Grumman Corp.
* / Keith / Panuska / Lockheed Martin / Vice Chairperson
* / Jeremy / Phillips / Cessna Aircraft Co.
Earl / Pruett / Lockheed Martin
Ajay / Reddy / Bell Helicopter
Robert / Reynolds / The Boeing Company
* / Sally / Spindor / Triumph Group, Inc.
* / Kenneth / Sposato / Triumph Group, Inc.
* / Anne / Stanley / Bombardier, Inc.
* / Yuan / Yuhui / COMAC
PRI Staff Present
Roger / StirlingRebekah / Braun
Mike / Graham
The Code of Ethics and Conflict of Interest Policy was presented for all Nadcap attendees. The new PRI Compliance video was shown to all Nadcap attendees. Note: This information is also available in the Nadcap Attendees Guide on Page 7.
0.2 SE Delegation – CLOSED
ACTION ITEM: Roger Stirling to obtain AS/EN 9100 training and / or Lead auditor training. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: Roger Stirling to amend delegation status from 1-Jan date for number of audits reviewed and audits towards staff delegation. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: Roger Stirling to add audit observation details and notify Task Group on future audits. Focus on AC7118 and try to cover automated job audits/ processing at the next audit observation. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: Roger Stirling to recalculate Staff delegation percentage. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
TG proposed to continue monitoring until June 2013 meeting.
0.3 Consultant Reviewer Status – CLOSED
ACTION ITEM: PRI to obtain clarification if consultant reviewer can be delegated. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to add agenda item for the next closed meeting to discuss additional requirements for a consultant reviewer and delegation requirements. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
Proposal is to postpone vote for Brian Johnson delegation until June 2013 meeting. In the interim, clarify if consultant reviewer can be delegated and determine if Task Group can specify minimum number of audits required for the consultant reviewer.
0.4 Auditor Performance Data Review / Observation Audit Feedback Forms – CLOSED
Auditor Performance Data was reviewed by the TG.
ACTION ITEM: Additional data proposed is to plot data variation of mean over time to determine spread and effectiveness of auditor training. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to ensure data for AC7122 and AC7124 is availale for future meetings. PRI to send data out to Suscriber members. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
0.5 Observation Audit Sub-Team Update – CLOSED
John Key re-emphasized importance of maintaining the audit observation requirements. Subscriber Audit Observer should stay for the entire audit. Audit Observation Feedback Form under review to revise the scaling criteria from either a Yes / No to a 1 to 4 grading scale. Another revision under consideration is the addition of a TG specific Appendix 1.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to confirm Nadcap procedure on the matter regarding the requirement for the Suscriber Audit Observer to stay for the entire audit , including documentation describing what must be observed. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to upload Draft Observation Audit Form in eAuditNet / Public Documents (Call it a Pilot Form). (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: Roger Stirling to send email to all Subscribers and Suppliers with notification of this new draft form. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: Sub team to add clarification to Auditor Handbook for core cutting verus core machining Lead Jeremy Philips – Cessna. Other team members: Lance Loeks, Mark Jackson, Anne Stanley and Joe Dwyer. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
0.6 Audits for Task Group Discussion – CLOSED
There were no current audits for task group discussion at this meeting. This action item had been completed prior to the meeting with the utilization of TG Conference Calls.
0.7 Audits for Task Group Discussion (Cont.) – CLOSED
There were no current audits for task group discussion at this meeting. This action item had been completed prior to the meeting with the utilization of TG Conference Calls.
0.8 Auditor Training Agenda Update – CLOSED
List of proposed topics created for October auditor training and added to attached presentation.
Some suggested topics for auditor training – Use of heat guns and clarify requirements; Time management.
ACTION ITEM: Send out to supplier base a presentation on heat gun usage and control. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to send auditor advisory for heat gun usage and control and add to auditor training in October. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to verify if additional audit time can be allocated to review previous audit NCR’s if numbers are high. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
0.9 AC7124 Pilot Audit Planning Update – CLOSED
Date now confirmed for pilot audit at Euro Composites, Luxemburg April 29 – 30 2013.
ACTION ITEM: PRI to consider sending a second auditor for training and back-up purposes. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
ACTION ITEM: PRI to email subscribers to determine prime attendance then notify Euro Composites of prime attendees. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
0.10 Open Discussion – CLOSED
ACTION ITEM: John Key to raise the issue of one company working inside of another company during the NMC Ops & Planning Meeting. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
How does the TG have confidence in initial audit if no parts are in manufacture? Response: COMP have a hierarchy of parts/demo parts being audited.
ACTION ITEM: Andreas Mastorakis to come back in June on structural bonding of non-metallic materials. (Due Date: 3-Jun-13)
0.11 Meeting Close-Out – CLOSED
Action Items were reviewed.
Agenda Topics for the June 2013 meeting in Paris, France
• SE Delegation Review
• Auditor Performance Data
• Observation Audit Sub‐Team Update
• Audits for TG Discussion
• Open Discussion
ADJOURNMENT – 20-Feb-13 – Meeting was adjourned at 4:30 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Peter Atwell:
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)
YES* NO
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision: / Who is responsible: / Due date:
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