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TGy Meeting Minutes from September 2007 Waikoloa Interim Session
Date: 2007-09-18
Author(s):
Name / Affiliation / Address / Phone / email
Peter Ecclesine / Cisco Systems / MS SJ-10-5
170 W. Tasman Dr., San Jose, CA95134-1706 / +1-408-527-0815 /
Rich Kennedy / OakTree Wireless / Austin, TX / +1-281-222-6299 /

TGy Meeting Minutes from September 2007 Waikoloa Interim Session

Proceedings

Tuesday AM1, Waikoloa -17 Attendees - Recording Secretary, Rich Kennedy –[Kona 3]

Agenda

  • TGy Meeting Call To Order
  • Review IEEE/802 & 802.11 Policies and Rules
  • Approve or Modify Agenda
  • Review and Approve all Minutes
  • Set, Review Objectives
  • Review of situation
  • Overview presentation, PHY, MAC topics
  • Resolve LB109Ballot comments
  • Planning through November 2007
  • Recess until 16:00, Thursday, Sept 20th, 2007
  1. Meeting was called to order by TGy chair at 08:07
  2. Attendance reminder – Electronic using
  3. Chair read IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws on Patents in Standards and additional Pat Com Guidance. The five slides were shown.
  4. After reading the PatCom slides, chair asked if there was anyone who did not understand IEEE patent policy. No response was heard.
  5. Chair reviewed topics NOT to be discussed during the meeting including – licensing, pricing, litigation, market share, etc.
  6. Chair asked if there are matters that should be brought to the WG chair.No response was heard.
  7. Chair read the copyright notice and security for equipment notices.
  8. Chair discussed his goals for the session and reviewed the agenda.
  9. Chair asked if there were any changes or modifications to the agenda.
  10. Any objection to approving by unanimous consent?
  11. None heard; agenda is approved.
  12. Motion [1]: Move to approve TGy minutes of meetings and teleconferences from San Francisco plenary to today: San Francisco (07/2269r1), teleconferences August 28th (07/2353r1), September 4th (07/2366r0) and September 11th (07/2395r1).
  13. Moved by: Dan Lubar [Affiliation: RelayServices]
  14. Seconded by: Rich Kennedy [Affiliation: ETS-Lindgren]
  15. Any matters arising from the minutes? Hearing none.
  16. Any objection to approving by unanimous consent?
  17. None heard; TGy minutes of meetings and teleconferences are approved.
  18. Chair read the introductory material: Purpose Principles, Vision, Outcome, etc.
  19. Chair discussed the work completed up to 15 September 2007.
  20. Chair discussed the recirculation ballot negative vote requirements.
  21. Chair reviewed the documents with LB109 comment resolutions.
  22. Eldad [Affiliation: Intel Corporation] asked about a comment resolution in 07/2365 regarding ECSA enabled versus implemented. The chair explained that this was changed throughout TGy. Eldad stated that he must track this for changes to the TGn draft. Changes made in CID 3181 and 3184.
  23. Chair asked if there any more questions and comments on comment resolutions.
  24. Eldad said he wanted to review 07/2364. Chair displayed the subject document.
  25. Brian Hart [Affiliation: Cisco] explained the changes in 07/2364.
  26. Richard Roy [Affiliation: Connexis] asked about changing a phrase that Brian explained was not created here, just moved, so we cannot change it as it would affect previous amendments.
  27. Eldad asked to look at 07/2384. He wants to know what is changed in 7.4.7a.5. The chair explained the change: inter-BSS communication as public action. Chair explained that the difference in the frame is that it is now an action frame, not an IE. In TGy it was previously a Spectrum Management action frame; it is now a public action frame.
  28. The discussion turned to how this change affects the TGn Draft 2.0 which has been made public.
  29. Chair displayed TGn D2.0. Chair explained that this, in TGy is a public action frame; in TGn it is a spectrum management action frame.
  30. Bjorn [Affiliation: Qualcomm] stated that the WFA, where TGn D2.0 is important, does not test for ECSA.
  31. Jim Petronavich [Affiliation: Conexant] commented that this was an important, and should be resolved in TGn.
  32. Eldad said that he would not vote yes if 07/2384 is part of the motion.
  33. Chair stated that in order to vote on the draft on Thursday, these resolutions must be voted on now.
  34. Eldad stated that TGn stripped out all ECSA because it is part of TGy. This change changes what TGn expects as a frame format. Chair stated that they are independent.
  35. Brian suggested we vote this in to the draft, then Eldad can produce a submission to change it later. Chair stated that the public action frames were voted in and that a change would therefore not be accepted. He explained that spectrum management frames cannot be sent as Class 1, and TGy needs them to be Class 1. The enabling STA cannot be dependent on Association and Authentication. revMA moved spectrum management frames to Class 3.
  36. Chair stated the best way is to vote to approve this and move forward, resolving this in the process.
  37. Chair stated that the comments that made this change came from TGn MAC group. Chair displayed the comments.
  38. Chair stated that the draft to be voted on Thursday will include additional changes, and that these suggestions should be done between now and then, but should not prevent accepting these resolutions.
  39. Chair stated that if he left 2384 out of the motion as requested by Eldad, many comments would go unresolved.
  40. Bjorn stated that this would be a step in the direction of decoupling ECSA. Eldad stated that this is a deviation; Bjorn stated it is in the right direction.
  41. A suggestion was made that an unapproved draft be submitted to give TGn a chance to vote on this change.
  42. Chair will remove 07/2384 from the motion, but will speculatively incorporate its changes into D4.1, and will vote on incorporating the resolutions of 07/2384 changes on Thursday.
  43. Motion [2]: Move to accept draft normative text changes in submissions 07/2364r0, 07/2365r2, 07/2382r2, 07/2383r1 and merge their comment resolutions into 07/2333r4, and instruct the technical editor to prepare P802.11y draft 4.1.
  44. Moved by:Rich Kennedy
  45. Seconded by:Brian Hart
  46. Any discussion on the motion.
  47. Any objection to approving by unanimous consent [12 voting members]
  48. Hearing none, the motion passes.
  49. Eldad stated that he bring this issue to TGn during PM1 today.
  50. Chair stated that this is the end of the agenda for the Tuesday session.
  51. Motion [3] to recess until Thursday at 16:00.
  52. Moved by: Rich Kennedy
  53. Seconded by: Tom Kolze [Affiliation: Broadcom]
  54. Any objections to approving by unanimous consent? Hearing none, we are recessed until Thursday at 16:00.
  55. Chair recessed the meeting at 09:43.
Thurs PM3, Waikoloa – 9 Attendees -- Recording Secretary, Rich Kennedy – [Kings 3]

Agenda

  • TGy Meeting Call To Order
  • Draft D4.2 and 5.0y topics
  • Planning through Nov 07 and Motions for WG
  • Adjourn
  1. Meeting was called to order by the TGy chair at 16:00
  2. Chair stated his affiliation and employer are Cisco Systems
  3. Chair asked if anyone did not understand the IEEE Patent Policy. No response was heard.
  4. Chair asked Are there any patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard? [Minute any responses that were given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that were identified (if any) and by whom]. Hearing none.
  5. Chair asked asked if there are matters that should be brought to the WG chair. No response was heard.
  6. Attendance reminder – Electronic using
  7. Chair displayed the agenda.
  8. Chair displayed 07/2480 and asked if anyone wanted to go through any of the comments. No requests were heard.
  9. Motion [4]: Move to accept draft normative text changes in submissions 07/2384r1, 07/2571r0, and merge their comment resolutions into 07-2333r5, and instruct the technical editor to prepare P802.11y draft 4.2.
  10. Moved by: Rich [ETS-Lindgren]
  11. Seconded by: Dan [Affiliation: RelayServices]
  12. Any comments
  13. Any objection to approving this motion by unanimous consent
  14. Motion passes
  15. Motion [5]: Instruct the technical editor to rename 802.11y draft 4.2 as P802.11y draft 5.0. Having addressed all comments arising from the WG Letter Ballot 109, Task Group y resolves to forward P802.11y draft 5.0 to the working group for the purpose of conducting a 15-day recirculation letter ballot. The purpose of the working group letter ballot is to forward the draft to sponsor ballot.
    –The text of the motion to be presented to the working group will be “Move to authorize a 15-day Working Group Recirculation Letter Ballot of P802.11y draft 5.0, asking the question “Should the P802.11y draft 5.0 be forwarded to sponsor ballot?””
  16. Moved by: Rich
  17. Seconded by: Dan
  18. Vote: 3/0/0
  19. Motion passes.
  20. Chair discussed the schedule from now until November.
  21. Motion to adjourn
  22. Moved by:Rich
  23. Seconded by:Dan
  24. Any objections to approving the motion by unanimous consent? None heard
  25. Adjourned at 16:06.

References:

FCC 05-56 ( )

FCC 07-99 ( )

IEEE 802.11 Drafts (in IEEE 802.11 Member Area)

802.11-2007

P802.11k-D7.0

P802.11n-D2.02

P802.11r-D6.0

P802.11y-D4.00.pdf

P802.11y-D4.2.pdf

TGy Reference Docs: (in ftp.802wirelessworld.com)

11-06-0571-00-000y-cbp-tg-telecon-minutes-19-april.doc

11-06-0607-00-000y-TGy-telecon-minutes-3May.doc

11-06-0668-01-000y-3650-3700-mhz-fcc-action.ppt

11-06-0680-01-000y-may-chairs-report.ppt

11-06-0740-00-000y-joint-tgy-rr-tag-may-minutes.doc

11-06-0855-03-000y-Annex-and-J-3650-MHz-band.doc

11-06-0863-02-000y-tgy-june-14th-2006-conference-call-minutes.doc

11-06-0864-04-000y-3650-mhz-mobile-service-enablement.doc

11-06-0867-02-000y-references-mobile-service-enablement.doc

11-06-0873-00-000y-tgy-june-28th-2006-conference-call-minutes.doc

11-06-0922-00-000y-tgy-july-11th-2006-conference-call-minutes.doc

11-06-0955-03-000y-ofdm-phy-3650-mhz-band.doc

11-06-1023-01-000y-proposal-tgy.ppt

11-06-1024-02-000y-tgy-july-chairs-report.ppt

11-06-1120-00-000y-Minutes-from-San-Diego-Plenary-2006.doc

11-06-1374-00-000y-aug15th-and-aug29th-2006-conference-call-minutes.doc

11-06-1427-00-000y-sept12th-2006-conference-call-minutes.doc

11-06-1432-01-000y-extended-channel-switch-announement-normative-text.doc

11-06-1433-00-000y-extended-channel-switch-announement-presentation.ppt

11-06-1466-01-000y-TGy-September-chairs-report.ppt

11-06-1536-00-000y-proprosed-draft-revision.doc

11-06-1537-00-000y-melbourne-minutes-september.doc

11-06-1561-00-000y-tgy-sept-26th-2006-conference-call-minutes.doc

11-06-1609-04-000y-tgy-internal-review-comment-submissions.xls

11-06-1830-00-000y-dse-in-licensed-band-operations.doc

11-06-1675-02-000y-tgy-November-chairs-report-ppt.ppt (from Dallas Plenary)

11-06-1865-00-000y-tgy-brief-intro-to-tgy.doc

11-06-1871-00-000y-TGy-2006-Dallas-Plenary-Minutes.doc

11-06-1934-05-000n-tgn-opening-report-london-jan-07

11-07-0008-09-000y-tgy-lb94-comment-spreadsheet

11-07-0098-03-000y-tgy-january-chairs-report

11-07-0121-00-000y-tgy-meeting-minutes-from-jan-2007-london-interim-session

11-07-0224-00-000y-TGy-Jan-30th-Telecon-Minutes.doc

11-07-0245-02-000y-TGy-LB94-7-10-11-Submission.doc

11-07-0251-00-000y-TGy-February-13th-Telecon-Minutes.doc

11-07-0270-00-000y-TGy-LB94-3-4-5-6-9.8-Submission.doc

11-07-0271-01-000y-11-07-0271-00-000y-TGy-LB94-a-d-i-j-submission-doc.doc

11-07-0272-00-000y-phy-comments.doc

11-07-0282-00-000y-TGy-LB94-17-etc-Submission.doc

11-07-0291-00-0007-TGy-February-27-telecon-minutes.doc

11-07-0373-01-000y-tgy-march-opening-report

11-07-0392-00-000y-tgy-redline-between-draft-d1-0-and-d1-1

11-07-0395-00-000y-tgy-meeting-minutes-mar-2007-orlando-plenary

11-07-0401-03-000y-long-slottime-option-rtscts-procedure

11-07-0473-00-000y-tgy-lb94-submission-editors-resolutions

11-07-0479-00-000y-tgy-redline-between-d1-0-and-d1-2

11-07-0602-06-000y-d2-comments

11-07-0603-01-000y-lb104-dse-reporting-cid-1093

11-07-0673-03-000y-lb104-non-editorial-comments

11-07-0674-04-000y-lb104-editorial-comments-submission

11-07-0679-04-000y-tgy-may-opening-report

11-07-0783-01-000y-meeting-minutes-may-2007-montreal-interim

11-07-0801-01-000y-3-and-11-14-submission

11-07-0821-00-000y-tgy-may-closing-report

11-07-1974-01-000y-tgy-june-5th-telecon-minutes.doc

11-07-2038-00-000y-tgy-june-26th-telecon-minutes.doc

11-07-2212-00-0000-meeting-minutes-july-2007-san-francisco-plenary

11-07-2263-00-000y-tgy-july-closing-report

11-07-2264-00-000y-tgy-redline-between-draft-3-2-and-3-1

11-07-2268-00-000y-tgy-redline-between-draft-4-0-and-3-0

11-07-2353-01-000y-august-28th-telecon-minutes.doc

11-07-2333-02-000y-d4-comments

11-07-2365-00-000y-lb109-submission-for-ecsa-comments

11-07-2366-00-000y-tgy-sept-4th-telecon-minutes

11-07-2382-00-000y-lb109-non-editorial-comments

11-07-2383-01-000y-lb109-editorial-comments

11-07-2384-00-000y-lb109-dse-comments

11-07-2464-01-000y-tgy-sept-opening-report

11-07-2480-00-000v-lb108-ecsa-comment-resolutions

11-07-2505-00-0000-meeting-minutes-sept-2007-waikoloa-interim (this document)

11-07-2571-00-000y-tgy-d4-0-submission-for-mib-changes

11-07-2579-00-000y-redline-between-draft-4-2-and-4-0

Acronyms/Abbreviations

CBP – Contention-Based Protocol

CCA – Clear Channel Assessment

CSA – Channel Switch Announcement

CSMA/CD – Carrier Sense Multiple Access/Collision Detect

DFS – Dynamic Frequency Selection

DSE – dependent station enablement

E-CSA – Extended Channel Switch Announcement

ED – Energy Detect

LCI – Location Configuration Information

PICS – Protocol Implementation Conformance Statement

STA – Station

TPC – Transmit Power Control

Submissionpage 1Rich Kennedy, OakTree Wireless