PBS

Summer 2010 Press Tour

POV – At the Intersection of Identity, Race and Adoption

Cynthia Lopez, Series Vice President

“Wo Ai Ni (I Love You), Mommy”

Donna Sadowsky, Featured Participant

“Off and Running”

Avery Brooks Klein-Cloud, Featured Participant

“In the Matter of Cha Jung Hee”

Deann Borshay Liem, Filmmaker

August 4, 2010

The Beverly Hilton Hotel

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CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Good afternoon. I'm Cynthia Lopez,

Executive Vice President of American Documentary/POV.

Welcome to our session, featuring POV adoption stories, a

series of three personal documentaries premiering on PBS

from August 31st through September 14th, that look at

domestic and international adoption and the changing face

of the American family. Before we start, I'd like to

make a few announcements. Two of our films, "Patti

Smith: Dream of Life" and "The Betrayal (Nerakhoon),"

have been nominated for Emmy awards. And three of our

films -- "The English Surgeon," "The Reckoning," and "The

Way We Get By" -- are up for four news and documentary

Emmys, including best documentary for "The Reckoning."

Since the January press tour, when we featured "The Most

Dangerous Man in America: Daniel Ellsberg and the

Pentagon Papers," we have secured our air date. The film

will conclude the season as a special PBS broadcast on

Tuesday, October 5th, at 9 p.m. Whistle-blowing in 2010,

as we've seen with Wikileaks, has made the Daniel

Ellsberg story even more fascinating. This season, POV

is joining forces with NPR's Peabody award-winning oral

history project StoryCorps to bring viewers the series'

best loved conversations in short animated documentaries

starting August 17th and continuing through September

7th. We've included a DVD in your PBS tote bag.

Now on to POV adoption stories. As of 2001, there were

about 1.5 million adopted children in the United States,

more than 2 percent of all American children, according

to the Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute. We are

delighted to have the people behind our adoption stories

with us here today, Donna Sadowsky, the mother featured

in "Wo Ai Ni, Mommy," "(I love you), Mommy," airing on

August 31st; and Avery Brooks Klein-Cloud, the subject of

"Off and Running," on September 7th; and Deann Borshay

Liem, the director, writer, co-producer, and subject of

"In the Matter of Cha Jung Hee," premiering on October

14th. Some of you may remember Deann from her press tour

appearance almost 10 years ago for "First Person Plural,"

which had an encore -- which has an encore presentation

this season on POV August 10th. "Wo Ai Ni, Mommy" and

"Off and Running" have been supported by the Corporation

for Public Broadcasting through a grant for POV's Diverse

Voices Project, a special initiative to support the work

of emerging filmmakers on public television. We'll have

many special features on our website, including a virtual

family album, an interactive time line with the history

of adoption in the United States and live chats. Now for

a preview of POV's adoption stories.

(Clip shown.)

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Now, Donna, Avery, and Deann will take

questions. Thanks for attending this session.

QUESTION: Could you guys talk a little bit about -- you

know, all of these three films seem to be about identity,

who we are both as parents and as children who are not

physically born to them. Could you guys, especially --

and I'm so sorry. I'm blanking on your name, the young

lady in the middle there.

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Avery.

QUESTION: Could you talk about -- what? I'm sorry.

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Avery.

QUESTION: Avery. I apologize. Could you talk a little

bit about how you define who you are, especially coming

from two different cultures as you do?

AVERY BROOKS KLEIN-CLOUD: Am I going first? For me, my

identity is who I am. I do identify with my Jewish side

and my African-American side, but, you know, I'm a

combination of everything. I was raised Jewish, and, you

know, I'll always be Jewish. But, I mean, I guess I

can't say I'm just African-American. I'm kind of a

mixture of both. I can fit in, into both communities and

feel comfortable now at this point. There was a point

where I didn't feel that way. So my identity is who I am

and who I make myself to be. I'm an individual. I'm not

necessarily defined as a Jew or as an African-American.

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Do you want to take that?

QUESTION: These are very extraordinary stories and very

personal ones. For each of you, how difficult was it to

decide to let a filmmaker tell your story?

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Do you want to take that?

DONNA SADOWSKY: Okay. For Jeff and I, my husband and I,

we agonized quite a bit about whether or not it would be

the right thing to do, especially since Faith was coming

home as an older child. We felt that she might not be

thrilled with the idea of a camera on her all the time.

However, she handled it quite well. We really developed

a good relationship with Stephanie Wang-Breal, who was

our filmmaker, and she made it very comfortable to be

around. It was, I felt -- for myself, personally, my

goal was to make sure that people saw that it was a

blessing to adopt an older child because so many babies

are adopted every day, but the older children, they are

still sitting in orphanages, waiting to find their

families. And I wanted people to see that it's a

blessing to adopt an older child.

AVERY BROOKS KLEIN-CLOUD: Do you want to go?

DEANN BORSHAY LIEM: I am the filmmaker. So -- but, you

know, I think, for me, it was really -- it's a personal

film, and it's sort of a personal essay, actually. I

think, when I made my previous film, "First Person

Plural," it was clear to me that I hadn't fully resolved

everything about my adoption, and there was a lot still,

especially in relationship to this kind of mystery girl,

the girl that I was supposed to be, that hadn't really

resolved. It felt like it was the last thing that I

needed to kind of bring closure to about my adoption.

But it's a funny thing to put a camera on yourself and on

your own family. Fortunately, my family is very patient

and understanding, although I think they'd be happy if I

stopped making movies about myself, as would I. I think

this is it.

QUESTION: Over here to your left.

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Avery.

QUESTION: To your left.

QUESTION: Over here. I'm waving. Oh.

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: There's still -- he wanted -- Barry

wanted Avery to answer the question as well, and then

I'll go to the next person. Avery?

AVERY BROOKS KLEIN-CLOUD: For me, I actually -- the

filmmaker, Nicole Opper, she was actually my teacher in

-- when I was in junior high. We met when I was about 12

years old. We met earlier than that, but she started

teaching me when I was 12. So when she asked my parents

if she could film, it wasn't really that hard of a

decision for me to make because I already knew her. So I

was actually relatively comfortable with the idea. I did

think about it for a little bit, but it wasn't that hard

of a decision for me to make.

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: There was, up -- I'm sorry. I just can't

see it. There was a woman that --

QUESTION: Here. Over here.

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Okay.

QUESTION: I have, like, three questions. You are the

one that did the Cha Lee Jung --

DEANN BORSHAY LIEM: "Cha Jung Hee."

QUESTION: Yes. Did you ever -- did you ever find her,

or is that still in question?

DEANN BORSHAY LIEM: I think I did find her. I met a

number of Cha Jung Hees during this journey, and I

feature three of the Cha Jung Hees who are of my

generation in the film. And I think the last one that I

met is her. There's some confusion about the facts about

the adoption. It turns out that she didn't have the

birth date that was on my documents. There are certain

facts like her father, you know, not being dead. My

documents said that I had no father, that he had

committed suicide, that my birth mother had died giving

birth to me, et cetera. It turns out all of that was

sort of made up. And so her facts don't match that, but

it turns out it was sort of a marketing tool. But,

nevertheless, because she is Cha Jung Hee, she came from

the same orphanage that I was in, in the same town, I

think it's -- and her name is actually rare. Cha is a

very rare Korean name. If she had been Kim Jung Hee or

Lee Jung Hee, there would have been thousands, but as it

turned out, there are only hundreds of Cha Jung Hees. So

I do think it was her.

QUESTION: And is it Faith?

DONNA SADOWSKY: Yes.

QUESTION: The lady in the middle.

DONNA SADOWSKY: No. That's Avery.

AVERY BROOKS KLEIN-CLOUD: I'm Avery.

QUESTION: Avery. Okay. What did your friends think

about the fact that you -- because you said you just came

to terms with being Jewish just as a religion and then

being African-American now. So how do your friends treat

you?

AVERY BROOKS KLEIN-CLOUD: My friends treat me as, I

guess, a normal friend. I don't really think they see me

as different. I mean, I get along with who I get along

with. I kind of pick my friends based off of -- I'm very

honest about my family background. So I'm kind of one to

put it out there that I have two white mothers and two

different brothers that look different than me so that I

don't have to deal with the issues of people necessarily

being weirded out by my family background. So, I mean,

my friends that I have look at me as just another kid

that's their age that does the same things they do.

QUESTION: And what country are you from?

AVERY BROOKS KLEIN-CLOUD: I'm from -- well, I'm not

actually sure where I'm from. I'm pretty sure I'm from

the States. I was born in Texas. I'm not really sure

what my family background is, but, of what I know, I'm

from here.

QUESTION: And just for the filmmakers, whoever wants to

answer, there's so many kids here that -- to be adopted

in the United States. Why do people go out of the United

States? Even the stars go out of the United States to

adopt kids when kids from babies on up are left at

safe-surrender places, which is good because they don't

end up in trash cans anymore. But, you know, I mean, the

fact is, there's so many kids that are born in the

United States that are just not wanted and given up for

adoption. And you hear people that adopt all the time

from other countries. Why do you think that is?

AVERY BROOKS KLEIN-CLOUD: Is the question for me or for

you?

DONNA SADOWSKY: For me, personally, I think there needs

to be a lot more reform as far as adoption goes in the

United States. The foster-care system needs an entire

revamping. In our case, we just felt that we wanted to

adopt a child from China. We knew that there were so

many children that were languishing in orphanages. The

one-child policy makes it very difficult, and that was

just a personal decision that we made. Jeff and I are

from New York. We were older at the time, and the

adoption system in the United States is very -- it's very

difficult. I mean, you could hook up with a birth family

and pay for all the mom's expenses and go through the

whole thing and then have her change her mind at the very

last minute, which, obviously, it's her prerogative.

However, you don't -- you do not get anything back from

any of the funding that you put into it, and there's no

guarantee that you are going to have a child at the end

of all of that.

QUESTION: So it's easier to adopt from overseas than it

is in America?

DONNA SADOWSKY: I didn't say it was easier. If you've

ever seen some of the paperwork that's involved in

international adoption, no. It's not easier. It's just

a different system.

QUESTION: Is there something we can conclude from these

three films about the common experience of adoption? Is

there a point where everyone goes through an identity

crisis or has an urge to find out more about birth

parents? And I also wanted to ask Cynthia what brought

about this group of films or this initiative?

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Sure. Maybe I'll take that piece of the

question. Simon Kilmurry, the Executive Director at

POV, and myself, we extensively, through our editorial

process, look at many films per year, and WGBA was

involved many years ago in trying to pull funding

together for an adoption series, and we had been in

contact with Deann, because we actually broadcast "First

Person Plural," the first installment of this trilogy,

and we were also, as part of our funding for the -- that

we obtained from the Corporation of Public Broadcasting

for our "Diverse Voices" projects, acquired "Off and

Running" and "Wo Ai Ni, Mommy" and what we found was all

of a sudden we looked, and we said, "Oh, gosh. There is

this common theme," and when you look across and we see

Faith as a young girl and then we see Deann as sort

of -- I don't want to say older woman.

DEANN BORSHAY LIEM: More mature person.

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: -- mature representative, and then Avery

was sort of in the middle, we said, "Oh, this would be a

wonderful trilogy to do together." But some of the

questions that the previous journalist asked about

domestic versus international, we started doing all this

research. We didn't understand the complexities of how

difficult, depending upon the type of adoption you were

going after in the United States, how many years it took

and what -- now there are rules like if you're a certain

body mass index, you can't adopt. If you're over 45 in

certain countries, you can't adopt. There's so many

restrictions that we said we would like to use these

three films together and bring to light some of that

information. So that's why we thought it would be a

good pairing.

QUESTION: So there were three independent films that

you put together as a grouping?

CYNTHIA LOPEZ: Exactly. And submitted -- we were

working with filmmakers at different times. I was going

to say at the end of the session, that in addition to

the representatives we have here, we also have the

director of "Off and Running," Nicole Opper, who is

here, and we also have the associate producer of "Wo Ai

Ni, Mommy," Ursula, who is in the back as well. So if

folks have additional questions, you can ask them after

the session as well.

QUESTION: Deann, I'm assuming as the adopted person you

grew up your whole life with a thousand questions, and

each one of those questions had another thousand

questions. Are you at peace yet?

DEANN BORSHAY LIEM: Am I what?

QUESTION: At peace.

DEANN BORSHAY LIEM: Am I at peace? That's a hard question

to answer. I think I am at peace on one level. And

having made "First Person Plural," which was a very

emotional journey for my adoptive parents and I, and my

birth family, too, and now this film, I feel like the

pieces of my adoption, in terms of identity question,

questions about belonging, and am I Korean, am I white,

what am I, and also my relationship with my birth

family, I feel I've come to resolved ground. I think

this, in particular -- you asked whether I had found Cha

Jung Hee. I think finding Cha Jung Hee was an important

thing for me. Meeting these Cha Jung Hees, women named

Cha Jung Hee, even -- anyone named Cha Jung Hee was

fantastic, was an amazing experience. But I think for

me what was most significant was that in the end, I

discovered that this was really a journey about coming

to resolve about who I was, and my own -- this very deep

question about belonging, you know, did I really belong

in the U.S.? Can I really claim America as my home?

Can I claim and do I have a right to love my American

family? Not only because I was adopted and I'm a

different race and cultural background, but because I

was supposed to be this other person to begin with, and

that I came to America citizenship through false

circumstances.