*MINUTES OF THE CRMAP MEETING

HELD ON

5TH MARCH 2008

AT THE CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY

AVIATION HOUSE, GATWICK

AT

10.30 A.M.

Present:

Captain Graham Cruse (GC)-easyJet Airlines-Chairman

Captain Paul Field (PF)-BA

Captain Rob Calvert (RC)-CAA

Captain Pete Shaw(PS)-CAA

Captain David Riley(DR)-CAA

Captain Roger Benison (RB)-First Choice

Mrs. Fleur Johnson (FJ)-GB Airways

Captain Colin Budenberg (CB)-Thomsonfly

Mrs. Janice Fisher(JF)-CAA

Dr. Jane Neal-Smith (JN-S-London Metropolitan University

Captain Simon Henderson (SH)-Emirates

Captain Lucio Polo (LP)-CAA, Italy

Captain Kevin Lawrence (KL)-Bond Offshore Helicopters

Steve Jarvis (SJ)-Cranfield University

Captain Helen Flack (HF)-easyJet Airlines

Mrs. Elizabeth Afekare-CAA-Minutes

  1. The Chairman welcomed Fleur Johnson (neé Christie) back after a 2-year maternity break. Helen Flack, who had been invited to the meeting as an observer and David Riley, the CAA FCL representative was also welcomed. Finally, Hazel Corcoran was introduced as an observer with a view to joining the Panel membership as a Cabin Crew representative.
  1. Apologies

The following Members sent in their apologies:

Captain Rick Newson

Jeremy Butler

Carey Edwards

Captain David Harrison

Captain Giles Porter

Nicole Svatek

Richard Heybroek

Captain Richard Offord

  1. Minutes of the Meeting held on 6th December 2007

The minutes were approved subject to the amendment of Item 2. It should now read:

Apologies were received from Nicole Svatek, Heather Darbyshire, Fleur Christie, Captains Porter, Budenberg, Offord and Henderson.

  1. Matters Arising from the Minutes not on the Agenda

Item 9.1.1: The proposal to run Standardisation Courses for new CRMIEs was closed. It was agreed that the courses would not be mandated, nevertheless, any company’s proposal to run the course would be supported.

  1. Cabin Crew Standing Group Conference Agenda

JF informed that the CRM Forum had previously been postponed to May 27th 2008 from the original date because the objectives had not yet been clearly defined and some of the material was not fully mature. However, further problems had occurred over ownership of material in view of operator mergers and subsequently, a decision was made to cancel the Forum. Some members of the HFCCSG had suggested that the Forum should be delayed again rather than cancelled but the Chairman and the Secretary of the HFCCSG decided that it should be cancelled entirely until the content was more mature and defined. FODCOM will be issued and money collected would be refunded. Action: JF and EA

  1. Panel Membership Update

The Panel membership were updated as follows:

*Captain Ian Burns-To be removed because of his lack of time

*Captain Steve Billett -He was invited to consider membership but has

not responded. Name to be removed.

* Captain Lucio Polo-It was proposed to give Lucio full membership

as a European Specialist representative on the

Panel. Lucio accepted membership subject to

the agreement of his Authority in Italy.

Action: RC to write to Lucio’s employers

GC informed the Panel that his role as the CRM head at easyJet had changed and wondered if this would affect his continued Chairmanship of the Panel. RC proposed that GC should continue as the Chairman supported by CB and RB. Members unanimously agreed that GC should continue as the Chairman however, CB urged Members to inform the Panel of any changes to their jobs.

  1. Standards Document 29 Working Group Report

PF expressed thanks and appreciation to Members for their invaluable contribution in the production of the document. The draft document was presented to Members for their comments and suggestions. The document was approved subject to the inclusion of the various amendments in the Examiner Guide.

  1. Panel Strategic Development (The Way Forward) Working with the CAA

RC and PS informed that due to their high work schedules they had not had the opportunity to work on the strategic policies on the way forward for the Panel, however, they hope to conclude this before the next meeting.

  1. The Integration of CRM with Technical Training and Flight Operations

It was the general consensus that there was need to sell and champion the CRM concept to the industry given that many pilots saw CRM as a separate entity to the rest of their flying rather than something that was integral to the safe operation of an aircraft. It was stressed that there was need to get the evidence of how well CRM had been integrated to management of airlines through figures and data in order to get them to ‘buy-in’ to CRM given that CRM could only cascade down from the management level. It was agreed that JN-S and SJ would come up with a proposal for next meeting. Action: JN-S and SJ

  1. Any Other Business

10.1 JF informed the meeting that Cabin Crews, from July 2008, would have to undergo attestations through Training Organisations for their Initial training and enquired if the CRMIs had to be accredited. RC replied that they might have to be accredited.

10.2 RC pointed out that Training Standards currently have a list of CRM course providers given out to anyone upon request except that the CAA do not accredit the companies and could not take ownership of it and therefore asked for guidance. Members suggested that RC should speak to RH. Action: RC

11.Date of Next Meeting is Thursday 5th June 2008.