MINUTES of ASHRAE TC 6.6

AMERICAN SOCIETY OF HEATING, REFRIGERATING AND AIR-CONDITIONING ENGINEERS, INC.

1791 Tullie Circle, N.E./Atlanta, GA 30329

404-636-8400

TC/TG/TRG No: TC 6.6TC/TG/TRG TITLE: Service Water HeatingDATE: June 28, 2010

DATE OF MEETING: June 28, 2010 LOCATION: Albuquerque, NM.

Participants / Present / Absent / Participants / Present / Absent

Voting Members

/

Corresponding Members

Lance DeLaura / X / George Kusterer / X
Michael Garrabrant / X / William Laman / X
Fredric Goldner / X / Wilred Lamar / X
Carl Hiller / X / Eric Lannes / X
Russell Johnson / X / Alexander Lekov / X
Jim Lutz / X / Neil Leslie / X
Frank Myers / X / Alan Lloyd / X
John Richardson / X / Mary Lobenstein / X
Earl Rightmier / X / Larry Markel / X
Harvey Sachs / X / Colin McGugan / X
Frank Stanonik / X / Howard McKew / X
Mike Steinhafel / X / Steve Memory / X
Wayne Webster / X / Tim Merrigan / X
David Yuill / X / Corey Metzger / X

International Members

/ Cyrus Nasseri / X
Dieter Goettling / X / Marc Neufcourt / X
Jaap Hogeling / X / Mark Newcourt / X
Mark Paquette / X
Maier Perlman / X

Corresponding Members

/ Richard Peters / X
Charles Adams / X / Stephanie Reiniche / X
Ashley Armstrong / X / Bill Rittelmann / X
Timothy Bernadowski / X / Kevin Ruppelt / X
T. Bukowski / X / Donald Sampler / X
Donald Cleland / X / Rex Scare / X
Michael Collarin / X / Ben Schoenbauer / X
Robert Davis / X / David Seitz / X
Amin Delagah / X / Craig Selover / X
Titu Doctor / X / Alan Shedd / X
William S. Dols / X / Roy Smith / X
Peter Donohue / X / Larry Spielvogel / X
John Dunlap / X / Leo Stambaugh / X
James Earley / X
Xia Fang / X / Kevin Stuart / X
Don Fisher / X / Bodh Subherwa / X
Matt Foster / X / Marvin Thedford, Jr. / X
Paul Glanville / X / Martin Thomas / X
Wilbur Haag, Jr. / X / Richard Toping / X
Christy Hall / X / Terry Townsend / X
Gary Hayden / X / Greg Towsley / X
William Healy / X / Troy Trant / X
Harold Heiss / X / James Vallort / X
Charles High / X / Michael Vaughn / X
Cory Weiss / X
Daryl Hosler / X / James York / X
Jeffrey Jensen / X
Gary Klein / X
Shawn Knapp / X
Douglas Kosar / X
Participants / Present / Absent / Participants / Present / Absent

Guests

Haigo Tikiryanr / X
Larry Brand / X
Paul Sobler / X
Mark Menzer / X
David Springer / X
Marc Hoeschele / x

The meeting was called to order at 4:15p.m by Carl Hiller. Introductions were made

And a sign-up sheet was passed around. It was determined that a quorum was present (9out of 14). The current TC roster was reviewed.

Review of agenda

The minutes of the Jan 25, 2010 meeting in Orlando, Fl. were approved as corrected. (8-0-0) CNV

Chairman Hiller asked for volunteers to take over as webmaster. Kevin Stuart agreed to take that on.

Chairman Hillerreported on TC Chairman’s Breakfast.

Website – needs to be updated

ASHRAE looking for ways to attract younger members

Local chapters need to take part in this effort as well

ASHRAE host webinars and conference calls as a service to member function

DVD of meetings are no longer available, Computer viewing is available and free for people who paid to attend the meeting.

Frank Stanonik. made a motion Lance DeLaura 2nd

TC 6.6 sees value in the DVD format or other downloadable forms, (not just streaming) for conference presentations and recommends that they be made available. (7-0-1) CNV (1 abstaining: not an important issue.)

There was no report from the TAC section head.

Committee Liaison reports

None

Sub Committee reports:

Programs: (Ben Schoenbauer)

SPC 118.2 and TC 6.6 sponsored Seminar 22 Residential Water heaters, “A New Test Method?”

Thanks to Harvey Sachs –TC 6.6 sponsored a Forum titled “Efficiency Ratings for Smart Equipment Philosophy and Balance”

Las Vegas-we have7 papers deadline Aug 6th

Two potential Forums

  1. High performance buildings
  2. Water use

For Montreal we have one merging technologies looking for interest or HPWH - Harvey Sachs

Larry Spielvogel- can we find ways to save presentations for future use?

Handbook- Carl Hiller reported the Sub Committee voted to approvein January

Standards:

SPC 118.2 meets tomorrow

Jim Lutz gave report of changes being considered with loads and draw patterns used.

Members are testing now

SPC. 118.1

We are bringing hpwh and tankless into the standard. We are looking at a January goal for public review draft

SSPC 90.1

Frank Stanonik:By the end of July the 2010 issue will be sent to press. An analysis of the benefits of 90.1 (2010) was done, currently 23 – 30 % is the estimate of value of saving over90.1 (2004) version.

In Las Vegas will start on the 2013 version. Talk that ASHRAE will not set targets for savings in the future.

Standard 124 is up for renewal, reaffirm, or update

Frank Stanonik moved that we establish SPC 124R Harvey Sachs 2nd

Chairman asked for volunteers for chair as well as people of interest to make up membership of SPC124

George Kusterer, Martin Thomas(chair) Frank Stanonik, James York, Harvey Sachs, Hayk Tikiryan, David Seitz

The vote on chair 8-0-0 CNV

DOE activities – Frank Stanonik.

Final rule is out residential water heaters going into effect 2015.

Summary: Storage water heaters over 55 gas must be hp (if electric) or condensing (if gas), smaller sizes had their requirements raised to higher limits, typically 3points EF

ICC IGCC IECC IPC Gary Klein

Needs help to review standards and proposals (green Code)

Membership

Visitors will become corresponding members

Make sure that Frank Stanonik is added to voting member list

Chair – would like to see more members nominated to receive the Hightower award or becoming a Fellow

Website

New Webmaster: KevinStuart of RECO USA, . (803)454-2582

ASPE Handbook

Nothing new

Research(Lance DeLaura)

Announcements

  • Service to Research Award submit nominations by September 30
  • Collaboration AHRTI, CIBSE, CEC, USGBC
  • Conference this summer Syracuse, NY Aug 15-18 indoor air quality and conservation in buildings
  • Post conference workshop Aug 19-20 Ottawa, Canada
  • PurdueUniversity- will have 3 sessions this summer- compressors, AC, high performance buildings

ASHRAE Strategic Plan Finalized

  • Tactical and strategic research is important
  • ASHRAE research is initiated and supervised by TC
  • Plans should motivate TCs
  • Plan should help RAC prioritize work statements for funding
  • Review table of contents from plan

2010-2011 Research Budget

  • $2, 983,000
  • $310,000 uncommitted being considered in New Mexico
  • Overall fully committed, especially after this conference

2011/2012 Research Budget

  • Spring of 2011 “flood gates open”
  • $1.7 - 2.2 million available for commitments
  • Higher priority given for projects that have co-funding

Research Manual Changes

  • Updated RTAR/Work Statement reference to research plan
  • Inclusion of evaluation form examples
  • Updated language regarding papers as deliverables from ASHRAE research projects
  • New RTARs should address new strategic plan
  • Research liaison can help navigate RTAR process (Jaap Hogling)
  • Two types of papers as deliverables: HVAC&R Research Paper document original research of lasting significance or ASHRAE Transactions Technical paper documents application of or minor extension of existing knowledge (e.g. case studies, design guides)
  • ASHRAE Conference Papers cannot be considered for RTARs. Work statements can specify desired venue- Research or Technical Paper for deliverable

Reminders for TCs (From Jaap Hogeling’s matrix)

Priorities

  1. Maximize the actual operation energy performance of building and facilities.
  2. Progress toward Advanced Energy Design Guidelines and cost effective net zero energy buildings.
  3. Reduce significantly the energy consumption for HVAC&R, water heating and lighting in existing homes.
  4. Significantly advance our understanding of the impact of indoor environmental quality on work performance, health symptoms and perceived environmental quality in offices, providing a basis for improvement in ASHRAE standards, guidelines, HVAC&R and operation practices.
  5. Support the development of ASRAE energy standards and reduce effort required to demonstrate compliance.
  6. Building information modeling of energy efficient, high performing Buildings.
  7. Support development of tools, procedures and methods suitable for designing low energy buildings.
  8. Facilitate the use of natural and low global warming potential synthetic, refrigerants and see methods to reduce their charge.
  9. Support the development of improved HVAC&R components ranging from residential through commercial to provide improved system efficiency, affordability, reliability and safety.
  10. Significantly increase the understanding of energy efficiency, environmental quality and the design of buildings in engineering and architectural education.

Priorities (from Louisville Meeting and updated at Orlando Meeting)

  • Small institution draw patterns in commercial buildings and institutions + distribution (Harvey Sachs will help write)Draft RTAR Due 12/1/2010
  • Food service (Don Fisher from Fisher/Nickel @ PG&E center could potentially help)
  • Solar field study water heating backup optimization
  • Residential distribution systems

Priorities (from OrlandoMeeting and updated at this Meeting)

  • Small institution draw patterns in commercial buildings and institutions + distribution (Harvey Sachs will help write)
  • Food service (Don Fisher from Fisher/Nickel @ PG&E center could potentially help)
  • Solar field study water heating backup optimization
  • Residential distribution systems

Status of TRP 1544 Research Project (Carl Hiller)

The project is just getting under way. Carl gave a status update at the research subcommittee meeting, and will do so every meeting.

Old Business

The chair asked various groups to give updates:

CaliforniaEnergy Commission:

Is developing a combined HWSIM (distribution model), gas water heater model.

Field study w/ 18 homes including new generation high efficiency gas water heaters to evaluate

Canada – Martin Thomas described a new standard for combination equipment and how they are looking at new test methods

EPRI – Testing new HPWH models

Sempra Energy - Lance Delaura study on age of water heaters for planned replacement

Draw study from fixture manufacturer found 25% of the draws were less than 1 second (Craig Selover)

The meeting was adjourned at 6:45 p.m. EST.