18 - 21 Jan 2016doc.: 18-16/0004r00

Minutes-of 802-18 Hyatt Regency Atlanta, GA USA-Jan-2016

IEEE 802.18

Radio Regulatory-TAG

Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group Minutes
Date: 18 - 21Jan 2016
Name / Affiliation / Address / Phone / email
Author(s):
Jay Holcomb, Secretary, RR-TAG / Itron / Liberty Lake, WA / 509-891-3281 /
Officer presiding:
Michael Lynch,
Chair, RR-TAG / MJ Lynch & Assoc. / Allen, Tx / 972-814-4901 /

Abstract

Minutes of the IEEE 802 RR-TAG Interimmeeting in the Hyatt Regency Atlanta, GA USA

These are the Minutes of the IEEE 802 RR-TAG Interim meeting atHyatt Regency Atlanta, GA USA-Jan 2016

Monday, 18 January, 2016, PM1

  1. The Chair called the meeting to order at 13:39.
  2. The Secretary reminded the members to record their attendance.
  1. The current agenda is document 18-16/0002r00.
  1. The Chair reminded members, as they learned today at the other opening Plenaries about the cell phone courtesy policy, anti-trust provisions of IEEE 802, the Patent Policy and questions, inappropriate topics per the IEEE requirements, and Letters of Assurance (LOA), as shown in the agenda document.
  1. We made a few minor updates to the agenda making it 18-16/0002r01.
  2. Added January 2018 session in Irving CA and a couple of agenda items.
  1. The following motion was made:

Motion: To approve the RR-TAG agenda for the January 2016 Meeting, 18-16/0002r01.

  1. Moved by: Tim Jefferies
  2. Second by: Vijay Auluck
  3. Discussion: None
  4. Vote: 5 Yes0 No0 Abstain
  5. Motion: Passed
  1. The Dallas, TX, USA November 2015 minutes are 18-15/0067r00
  1. No inputs suggested, so removed the Draft watermark for 18-16/0067r01.
  1. The following motion was made:

Motion: To approve the minutes for the November 2015 Plenary held in Dallas, TX, USA, 08 - 12 November 2015, 18-15/0067r01.

Moved by:Rich Kennedy

Second by: Tim Jefferies

Discussion: None

Vote: 5 Yes0 No0 Abstain

Motion: Passed

  1. The RR-TAG teleconference of 11 January, 2016 minutes are 18-16/0003r00
  1. We made a few minor updates to the minutes and removed the draft watermarkmaking it 18-16/0003r01.
  1. The following motion was made:

Motion: To approve the minutes for the 11 January 2016 teleconference, 18-16/0003r01.

Moved by: Vijay Auluck

Second by: Tim Jefferies

Discussion: None

Vote: 3 Yes0 No2 Abstain

Motion: Passed

  1. Old Business beyond the agenda items:
  2. 802.24 input to ITU-R WP 1A - SM.2351 (aka - Question 236)
  3. ITU- R study group counsellor would like us to file our comments as close to the meeting date in June, as we can.
  4. Our update from 802.24 was approved by 802.18 and the EC earlier, and will be helduntil closer to June.
  1. Agenda item: 18-15-0072-01-0000-response-to-fcc-15-138
  2. Note: an edited version 18.15-0072-002 was uploaded just before the meeting.
  3. The 802 P&P does allow for a 5 day EC approval which will work for us.
  4. Spent the rest of PM1 working on edits to 18-15-0072-02
  1. The Chair recessed the meeting to independent study at 15:30until Monday PM2.

Monday 18 January, 2016, PM2

  1. The Chair called the meeting to order at 16:00
  2. The Chair reminded the members to record their attendance.
  1. Continued agenda item: 18-15-0072-01-0000-response-to-fcc-15-138
  2. Was able to finish the edits and uploaded 18-15-0072-03.
  3. For the 5 day rule we may need to make it an 802.18 document and discussion was we would like to see from IEEE 802, which is normally a 10day email ballot.
  4. The chair is sending to 18 reflector to start, which has the other chairs and to inform them we need to file with FCC before next Tuesday the 26th. In the end it was sent to the EC also.
  1. The Chair recessed the meeting to independent study at 17:12 until Tuesday PM1.

Tuesday 19 January, 2016, AM2 – 802.11/15 Reg. SC:

  1. A discussion related to the RR-TAG, IEEE 802.18:
  2. IEEE SA could engage with 802 for regulatory matters and present needed responses to regulatory bodies.

Tuesday 19 January, 2016,PM1

  1. The Chair called the meeting to order at 13:33
  2. The Chair reminded the members to record their attendance.
  1. Continued agenda item: 18-15-0072-01-0000-response-to-fcc-15-138
  2. We would like to see the 5 day EC approval, though any objection will stop the approval, and it would be only from 802.18.
  3. The 10-day EC approval will be needed as we want this from all of IEEE 802. We can request the early close provision to speed up the approval so it can be sent to the FCC on or before 26 January, next Tuesday.
  4. The need is a 75% approval from theEC so for the 14 EC voters, 11 approved by Monday is what is needed.
  5. During this session the 802.18 chair has found a 2nd to get the approval ballot started.
  1. Starting with 18-15/0072r03 from yesterday, we reviewed the comments and made several editorial and grammar changes, to make r04, ready for the EC approval and FCC filing.
  1. The following motion was made:

Motion: Approve 18-16/0072r04 for submission to the EC for review and approval to send to the FCC. The chair of 802.18 is empowered to make editorial changes as necessary.

Moved by:John Notor

Second by: Vijay Auluck

Discussion: None

Vote: 6 Yes0 No0 Abstain

Motion: Passed

  1. Agenda Items: 18-15-0073-00-0000-provisional-final-acts-wrc-15 and 18-15-0074-00-0000-wrc-15-final-press-release. And, 18-16-0005-00-0000-results-of-the-first-session-of-the-cpm-for-wrc-19
  2. COM6/22 RLAN; We had a fair amount of open discussion on the 5GHz band and how the FCC handled this band with the international participants in WRC-15, negotiations and compromises.
  3. It was noted that we need to be aware of the many hidden/not obvious got cha’s throughout about the different 5GHz resolutions.
  4. COM6/13 ITS was discussed.
  5. A general comment that many of the studies asked for investigations that the industry may not be able to help out with.
  6. In the CPM document 18-16/0006, we reviewed page 31 and Topic 1.16 on Resolution 239 (COM6/22) and looking at right most columnwhere all the groups that will be involved are listed and we would have to consider for anything we would look to propose/request.
  1. The Chair recessed the meeting to independent study at 15:10 until Wednesday AM1.

Wednesday, 20 January, 2016, AM1

  1. The Chair reminded the members to record their attendance.
  1. We reviewed an ITU report, Study Group 6 Rapporteur on PLT Issues, Document 6/7-E, Report on Recent Developments Concerning PLT and wired Telecommunication systems (uploaded as 18-16/0006r00)
  2. This is in parallel with the SM.2351-0 report on Smart Grid utility management systems.
  3. In the MIMO section it talked to the CENELECEN 50561-1 which is a European Standard for Electromagnetic Compatibility for PLC products.
  1. For reference on CENELEC, ETSI and CEN relationship

CENELEC is a European regional standards organization that together with its sister organizations CEN, the European Committee for Standardization, and ETSI, the European Telecommunications Standards Institute, compose the so-called and knownEuropean Standards Organizations(ESOs) that are officially recognised by the European Commission and act as a European platform through which European Standards are developed.

In the European Union, only standards developed by CEN, CENELEC and ETSI are recognised as 'European Standards'. Hence, CENELEC closely cooperates with CEN and ETSI; working jointly in the interest of European harmonization, creating both standards requested by the market and harmonized standards in support of European legislation.

CEN, CENELEC, ETSI are the regional mirror bodies to their international counterparts, i.e. ISO (the International Organization for Standardization), IEC (the International Electrotechnical Commission) and ITU-T (the International Telecommunication Union, telecommunication standardization sector) respectively.

  1. The Chair recessed the meeting to independent study at 09:30 until Wednesday AM1.

Thursday, 21 January, 2016, AM1

  1. The acting Vice-Chair called the meeting to order at 08:35
  2. note: had to find an open room as the EC was in our assigned room, the meeting our chair was requested to attend.
  3. The acting Vice-Chair reminded the members to record their attendance.
  1. Since the last session we observed in the comments on the NPRM for spectrum >24GHz, that we need a line talking to 802.15 3d. It took revs 05 and 06 to get the editorial edit in and done. The line added at end of introduction:
  2. IEEE 802.15 TG 3d is developing an amendment to enable 100 Gbps point-to-point links at the frequency bands 252 to 325 GHz.
  3. Also in paragraph 6, ‘in ‘ was added before point-to-point and … … … to make r07.
  1. We discussed 15-15-0699-05-003d-draft-liaison-statement-to-ITU-R-WP1a., The title is:
  2. DRAFT LIAISON STATEMENT TO WORKING PARTY 1A
  3. ON NEW REPORT ITU-R SM.2352-0
  4. COPY FOR INFORMATION TO WORKING PARTIES 5A, 5C, 7C AND 7D
  5. Technology trends of active services in the band above 275 GHz
  1. ITU requested from us what we have for system characteristics for THz communications.
  2. Attached are sharing documents that have been done
  3. In general ITU has ESS and radio astronomy protection in foot notes for spectrum > 275GHz, nothing else has been assigned for active services > 275GHz
  4. In annex 2, the attached drafts may need to be updated to latest drafts at the March plenary.
  5. Discussed what the timing is to file before June to ITU, when the ITU meeting is needing this input.
  6. 802.18 will review/update this draft and apply the latest ITU cover page before the March plenary meeting.
  7. We will move forward as a.18 document. 18-16/0008r00.
  8. We will plan to finish in March while TG 15.3d is there and file the liaison.
  9. TG 3d will not be meeting in May and other organizations have been asking for this,why to file in March.
  1. The Vice-Chair recessed the meeting to independent study at 09:05 until Thursday AM2.

Thursday, 21 January, 2016, AM2

  1. The Chair called the meeting to order at 10:33
  2. The Chair reminded the members to record their attendance.
  1. Brought the Chair up to speed on the ITU-R SM.2352-0 draft liaison.
  2. Discussed results of the EC ad-hoc meeting on IEEE 802 regulatory organisation and process.
  3. In summary, a straw poll was taken:
  4. SC2 – so a Standing Committee possibility for regulatory was not accepted.
  5. TAG7 - keeping the TAG was approved, with a couple of proposals:
  6. Would only have 2 formal meetings per face to face with voting rights. e.g. mon-pm or tues-am) and then thursday morning for document approvals.
  7. Then ad-hoc meetings would be used as needed the rest of the week.
  8. There was a request to post the agenda a month ahead, though learning more timing of regulatory needs, this request was tabled.
  1. Status of the FCC NPRM comments on 15-138 EC approval showed 6 approvals of the 11 needed so far.
  2. We did informed the Chair of the revision 07 of this document from simple editorial edits done in AM1 today (see above).
  1. With no further input or needs from the other WGs or TAGs, the Chair adjourned the meeting at 11:15 Thursday 21 January, 2016.
  1. The next IEEE 802.18 RR-TAG face to face meeting will be the Plenary from 13-18March, 2016, at the Sands Venetian Hotel, Macau, PRC

attendees:

Alireza NejatianEricsson

Andy ScottCable Assoc.

Guido R. HiertzEricsson

Jay HolcombItron, Inc.

John NotorNotor Research & ARM Inc.

Mike LynchMJLynch Assoc.

Peter EcclesineCisco Systems, Inc

Richard KennedyUnlicensed Spectrum Assoc.

Sam Oyama ARiB

Thomas Kürner TU Braunschweig

Tim Jeffries Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd

Vijay AuluckIntel Corp.

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