<DIV ALIGN=right>ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 N 3247 - WG 2 N 1968

</DIV<DIV ALIGN=right>DATE: 1999-02-08</DIV>

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2
Coded Character Sets
Secretariat: Japan (JISC)
DOC TYPE: / Summary of Voting/Table of Replies
TITLE:
/ Summary of Voting on SC 2 N 3213, Combined PDAM registration and consideration ballot on WD for 10646-1/Amd. 15, Information technology - Universal Multiple-Octet Coded Character Set (UCS) - Part 1: Architecture and Basic Multilingual Plane -- AMENDMENT 15: Kang Xi radicals and CJK radicals supplement
SOURCE: / Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2
PROJECT: / JTC 1.02.18.01.15
STATUS:
/ 1) PDAM Registration: Approved. 2) PDAM Consideration: This document is forwarded to WG 2 for consideration. WG 2 is requested to prepare a disposition of comments report, revised text and a recommendation to the SC 2 Secretariat for further processing.
ACTION ID: / ACT
DUE DATE:
DISTRIBUTION: / P, O and L Members of ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2
WG Conveners, Secretariats
ISO/IEC JTC 1 Secretariat
ISO/IEC ITTF
NO. OF PAGES: / 5
ACCESS LEVEL: / Defined
WEB ISSUE #: / 042

Secretariat ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 - Toshiko KIMURA
IPSJ/ITSCJ (Information Processing Society of Japan/Information Technology Standards Commission of Japan)*
Room 308-3, Kikai-Shinko-Kaikan Bldg., 3-5-8, Shiba-Koen, Minato-ku, Tokyo 105 JAPAN
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Summary of Voting on SC 2 N 3213

PDAM Registration / PDAM Consideration
P-member / Approve / Approve with Comments / Disapprove / Abstain / Approve / Approve with Comments / Disapprove / Abstain / Comment
Armenia*
Australia / X / X
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada / X / X / Att.1
China / X / X
Denmark / X / X
Egypt
Ethiopia
Finland / X / X
France
Germany / X / X
Greece / X / X
Iceland
India
Iran,
Islamic Republic of
Ireland / X / X / Att.2
Israel / X / X / Att.3
Italy
Japan / X / X
Korea Rep. of / X / X
Morocco
Netherlands / X / X
Norway / X / X
Poland / X / X
Romania
Singapore
Slovenia
Sweden / X / X / Att.4
Thailand
Tunisia / X / X
Turkey
UK / X / X / Att.5
USA / X / X / Att.6
Viet Nam
Yugoslavia
Total / <DIV ALIGN=right>14</DIV> / <DIV ALIGN=right>2</DIV> / <DIV ALIGN=right>1</DIV> / <DIV ALIGN=right>1</DIV> / <DIV ALIGN=right>11</DIV> / <DIV ALIGN=right>4</DIV> / <DIV ALIGN=right>2</DIV> / <DIV ALIGN=right>1</DIV>
O-member
Portugue / <DIV ALIGN=right>1</DIV> / <DIV ALIGN=right>1</DIV>
Russian Federation / <DIV ALIGN=right>1</DIV> / <DIV ALIGN=right>1</DIV>

Attachment 1 - Canada

Due date 1999 02 05
Document number 10646-1 PDAM15 (JTC1/SC2N3213)

CANADA disapproves the WD in its current form.

We can approve the document subject to the furnishing of alphabetically sorted names in Annex E and if the following concerns are properly addressed:

A. SIGNIFICANT:

1. Two radicals have been incorrectly identified:
2ED6 in Table 244 corresponds to 2FA9 (as a radical) in Table 243
2ECF in Table 244 corresponds to 2FA2 (as a radical) in Table 243
*not* the other way around as their translated names suggest. This should be corrected.

2. Two radicals, 2ECF and 2ED5 in Table 244, are both named "CJK RADICAL MOUND". This should be corrected. But note above comment on identity.

3. Two Kangxi radicals are duplicated in the CJK radical supplement without any apparent reason. They are:

Kangxi radical 2F46 (NOT) and CJK radical 2E9A (SIMPLIFIED NONE),
Kangxi radical 2FC1 (GHOST) and CJK radical 2EE4 (GHOST).

Unlike other duplicated radicals, the two radicals duplicated in Table 244 seem to have the *same abstract forms* as their counterparts in Tables 242 and 243. Either higher quality pictures should be provided to show that they have different abstract forms, or the duplication needs to be removed (or justified, for example, under the source separate rule).

B. EDITORIAL:

1. There seems to be a formatting problem with "G=00" and "P=00" on page 7.

2. Certain CJK radicals have their corresponding Kangxi radicals. It is desirable that there are some consistencies in the translated names. The following are some examples:

2FA2 and 2ED6: they should either both be "CITY" or both be "VILLAGE" as in "KANGXI RADICAL CITY"
and "CJK RADICAL CITY", or "KANGXI RADICAL VILLAGE" and "CJK RADICAL VILLAGE" (but also
note the identity error commented on above), not as in "KANGXI RADICAL CITY" and "CJK RADICAL
VILLAGE";

2FB4 and 2EDA: they should either both be "LEAVE" or both be "PAGE";
2F59 and 2EA6: they should either both be "HALF TREE" or both be "HALF TREE TRUNK"

3. The translated names should be confirmed with the linguist experts in each CJKV country if this has not been done.
Some of the translated names do not seem to come from either the radical's own meaning or the commonality of the character group it classifies. For example, the Kangxi radical 2F33 could be better translated as "LITTLE" either based on its own definition or the meanings of characters arranged under this radical in the Kangxi Dictionary. It is certainly different from 2F77 (SILK) and 2EB0 (C-SIMPLIFIED SILK), which both find their origin in the character U+7D72, meaning thread or silk according to the Kangxi Dictionary. (BTW, if it's not for 2F33, a more appropriate translation for 2F77 and 2EB0 is perhaps "THREAD"!).

Similarly, 2F34 seems to be closer to "VAST", "BROAD" than to a "cliff with a dot" (DOTTED CLIFF).

Attachment 2 - Ireland
See 02n32471.pdf

Attachment 3 - Israel
Israel votes YES provided that the relevant (*) national body/bodies also approve - otherwise our vote is ABSTAIN.
(*) relevant national body = The national body for which this character collection describes its national language.

Attachment 4 - Sweden
The Vote is on condition of approval from the countries concerned.

Attachment 5 - UK

UK COMMENTS ACCOMPANYING VOTE OF APPROVAL ON ISO/IEC 10646-1/PDAM15, UCS. KANG XI RADICALS AND CJK

The UK approves the PDAM in SC2 N 3213 with the following comment.

Editorial comment:
Pages 3 to 8: The footing lines beneath the code tables and name tables should be arranged with a consistent layout, font, and weight, as in the tables of 10646 First Edition.

Attachment 6 - USA

U.S. Comments supporting the Approval vote for the Consideration Ballot on SC 2 N 3213, ISO/IEC WD 10646-1/Amd. 15

Comments:

1. The US notes that in the original submission the name of character 2FA3 should have been "KANGXI RADICAL WINE". The US regrets this error.

2. The US recommends that Radicals in the published standard be shown in a font that is visually distinct from the font in which the ideographs are shown.

3. The US requests that a section to be added to Annex T to explain that the characters of the CJK radicals supplement are explicitly excepted from the Han unification rules. This is the result of the intent of the characters in the CJK radical supplement to stand for exact glyphic forms of radicals that occur in East Asian dictionaries as aids for visual search for characters.