July 2015 doc.: IEEE 802.11-15/0964r0
IEEE P802.11aWireless LANs
802.11ak July 2015 MinutesDate: 2015-08-15
Author(s):
Name / Affiliation / Address / Phone / email
Donald Eastlake / Huawei Technologies / 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA / +1-508-333-2270 /
Mathew Fisher / Fisher Consulting
Stephen P. Pope / Consultant / 2128 Acton Street, Berkeley, CA 94702 / +1-510-841-8315 /
Table of Contents
Ad Hoc Meeting Minutes 3
Monday, 13 July 2015, 08:00-10:00, Waikoloa 2 Room 3
802.11ak March Regular Session Minutes 4
Tuesday, 14 July 2015, 08:00-10:00, Waikoloa 2 Room 4
Tuesday, 14 July 2015, 19:30-21:30, Queens 4 Room 6
Wednesday, 15 July 2015, 13:30-15:30, Queens 4 Room 8
Wednesday, 15 July 2015, 16:00-18:00, Queens 4 Room 9
Thursday, 16 July 2015, 08:00-10:00, Kings 2 Room, joint session with ARC/802.1 11
Thursday, 16 July 2015, 10:30-12:30, Queens 4 Room 12
Thursday, 16 July 2015, 16:00-18:00, Queens 4 Room 13
IEEE 802.11 Wireless Interim meeting
Hilton Waikoloa, Waikoloa, Hawai‘i
Chair & Editor: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd (Huawei)
+1-508-333-2270
Vice Chair: Mark Hamilton (Ruckus Wireless)
Vice Editor: Norm Finn (Cisco)
Secretary: Vacant
Mailing list:
July 13-16, 2015
Ad Hoc Meeting Minutes
Monday, 13 July 2015, 08:00-10:00, Waikoloa 2 Room
1. The Chair Donald Eastlake (Huawei) called the ad hoc meeting to order at 08:05.
2. Chair reviewed of IEEE 802 and 802.11 Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Inappropriate Topics, Etc.
3. Call for Essential Patents
3.1. No responses.
4. Chair reminded attendees to record their attendance.
5. Approval of the agenda (11-15/734r3)
5.1. The agenda was adopted with no objections
6. Presentation of 11-15/791r0, “Addressing Simplifications”, David Kloper (Cisco).
7. Discussion of CID 229.
8. Presentation of 11-15/795r0, “Addressing Comment Resolutions”, David Kloper (Cisco).
9. Ad Hoc meeting adjourned at 9:58
802.11ak March Regular Session Minutes
Tuesday, 14 July 2015, 08:00-10:00, Waikoloa 2 Room
Chair Donald Eastlake (Huawei) calls meeting to order.
Stephen Pope (Self) volunteers to be temporary Secretary for this session.
Chair presents IEEE guidelines and patent policy.
Nobody attending responds to the query as to awareness
of essential patents.
Chair presents 11-15/0734r4, the agenda. There is discussion.
1. The agenda was approved by unanimous consent.
There was Discussion of 802.11ak timing relative to 802.1AC revision and possibilities of referencing or not references 802.11ak at various states.
2. Approval of the Minutes of the May 802.11ak Meeting in Vancouver, British Columbia, May 2015: 11-15/0690r0.
Approved by unanimous consent.
3. Approval of the Minutes of Teleconferences since Vancouver:
June 1st, 11-15/750r0, “11ak Telecon Minutes 20150601”
June 15th, 11-15/765r0, “11ak Telecon Minutes 20150615”
June 29th, 11-15/782r0, “11ak Telecon Minutes 20150629”
Approved by unanimous consent.
4. Approval of the Minutes of the Santa Clara, California, ad hoc meeting (9&10 July), 11-15/0792r2, “July 2015 802.11ak Ad Hoc”
Approved by unanimous consent.
5. Approval of the Minutes of the Monday ad hoc meeting: 11-15/0893r0, “11ak 13 July ad hoc meeting minutes”
Approved by unanimous consent.
Initial discussion of timeline.
Presentation and discussion of 11-15/725r3, “11ak PICS Fix”, by Donald Eastlake (Huawei).
Presentation and discussion of 11-15/798r1, “11ak Vancouver Resolution Fixes”, by Donald Eastlake (Huawei).
Presentation and discussion of 11-15/0795r0, “Addressing Comment Resolutions” (doc), by David Kloper (Cisco)
Presentation and discussion of 11-15/791, “Addressing Simplifications”, by David Kloper (Cisco)
Recess until 19:30.
Tuesday, 14 July 2015, 19:30-21:30, Queens 4 Room
Called to order at 7:42 PM by Chair Donald Eastlake (Huawei).
Minutes recorded by Michael Fischer (Fisher Consulting) who volunteered to be temporary Secretary for this session.
Call for patents read, no patent claims were announced.
Reminder to record attendance
Approval of agenda without objection
6. MOTION: To approve comment resolutions in 11-15/735r3 “11ak PICS Fix” and to direct the Editor to incorporate them into the P802.11ak draft.
(Straw poll results in Santa Clara: yes: 5 No: 0 Abstain: 0 )
Moved: David Kloper
Second: Michael Fischer
Vote: 4 Yes, 0 No, 0 Abstain – MOTION PASSES
7. MOTION: To approve the comment resolutions in 11-15/798r1 “11ak Vancouver Resolution Fixes” and direct the editor to incorporate them into the P802.11ak draft.
(Straw poll results in Santa Clara: Yes: 5 No: 0 Abstain: 0 )
Moved: David Kloper
Second: Michael Fischer
Vote: 4 Yes, 0 No, 0 Abstain – MOTION PASSES
Announced joint meeting with ARC and 802.1 on Thursday AM would be in Kings 2
Chair proposed to ask for an additional meeting in the Wednesday PM1 slot released by 802.11aj. There was no objection
Work on additional comment resolutions:
Presentation and discussion of 1-15/0795r0, “Addressing Comment Resolutions” (doc), David Kloper (Cisco). In particular the following CIDs were discussion as indicated below.
CID 112: Reject.
CID 113: Revise. This comment is a duplicate of CID 63, which can use the same resolution.
CID 198: Revise.
CID 200: Agree that revised text is needed, partially editorial, completion deferred until after checking issues related to security and mesh.
CID 219: Defer until after discussing addressing simplification.
CID 67: Reject.
CID 401: Accept (defer deciding about the text for GCR)
CID 224: Revise.
CID 87: Revise.
CID 257: Revise.
Meeting recessed until Wednesday 13:30.
Wednesday, 15 July 2015, 13:30-15:30, Queens 4 Room
The Chair Donald Eastlake (Huawei) called the meeting to order.
The Chair took notes for this session.
The call for essential patents was issued with no response.
Attendees were reminded to record their attendance.
The agenda was approved.
Presentation and discussion of 1-15/0939/r0, “Ra! Ra! SYNRA”, Donald Eastlake (Huawei), David Kloper (Cisco)
Based on the discussion, the documented was Edited to r1 and uploaded.
The following Straw Polls based on 11-15/939 were held:
8. Should we pursue the type of SYNRA shown on slide 4 at least for the GLK-only case?
Yes: 7 No: 0 Abstain: 0
9. Do we also need a backwards-compatible SYNRA2 with a newly allocated OUI for the mixed GLK and non-GLK case?
There was no support for such a SYNRA2.
11-15/556r7 work on comment assignment and resolution drafting.
Recess until 16:00 today
Wednesday, 15 July 2015, 16:00-18:00, Queens 4 Room
Called to order at 4:10 PM by Donald Eastlake
Minutes recorded by Michael Fischer (Fisher Consulting) who volunteered to be temporary Secretary for this session.
Call for patents read, no patent claims were announced
Reminder to record attendance
Approval of agenda without objection
Norm Finn (Cisco) presented about the current state of 802.1Qbz and 802.1AC.
The definition of how you map “generic 802” below a bridge is in 802.1AC, which is attempting to complete recirculation with intention to have conditional approval to go to sponsor ballot after July meeting. Completion of 802.1Qbz is in close to the same state.
In these updates the ISS SAP is strictly length/type encoding – 802.2 (LPD) no longer exists. It is critical that these standards get published to get remaining references to using SNAP out of 802.1. The portion of these documents that pertain to 802.11 is in a non-normative annex so that they don’t have to wait until 802.11ak is completed or to place normative constraints on the completion of 802.11ak (and others).
If this approach does not get through 802.11Qbz balloting the fallback approach, based on a proposal by Phillipe Klein (Broadcom) is to have that 802.1Qbz refer to the normative generic point-to-point service from 802.1AC. Then 802.11ak could include the mapping from said generic point-to-point service to the 802.11 MAC data service.
Comment Resolution discussed as follows:
CID 375: Revise.
CID 302: Discussed at length, including examination of portions of 802.1AE and input from Norm Finn, assigned to David Kloper for generation of new text.
CID 241: Accepted. Entire sentence will be included in the draft.
CID 377: Accepted. Add second comma.
CID 379: Concept accepted, need to align with wording in Annex B of 802.1AC-rev
CID 58: Revise.
CID 381: Accepted.
CID 303: Refer to editor.
10. Moved, to approve the comment resolutions in the Santa Clara tab of 11-15/556r7 and direct the Editor to incorporate them into the draft.
Moved: Michael Fischer
Second: Richard Roy
Yes: 4 No: 0 Abstain: 0 – MOTION PASSES
Recessed at 6:05PM.
Thursday, 16 July 2015, 08:00-10:00, Kings 2 Room, joint session with ARC/802.1
Minutes for this joint session were taken by Joseph Levy (Interidigital) and have been uploaded as 11-15/956r0, “ARC SC and Joint ARC SC, 802.11 TGak, and 802.1Qbz Meeting”. This session included passage of the following motion:
11. MOVED, to hold 802.11ak Teleconferences, joint with 802.1Qbz if mutually convenient: 1 ½ hour teleconferences through the September 2015 802.11 meeting on Mondays the 3rd, 10th, 24th and 31st of August at 10am Eastern time.
Approved by unanimous consent.
Thursday, 16 July 2015, 10:30-12:30, Queens 4 Room
Called to order at 10:36 AM by Chair Donald Eastlake (Huawei).
Minutes recorded by Michael Fischer (Fisher Consulting) who volunteered to be temporary Secretary for this session.
Call for potentially essential patents shown, no response.
Attendees were reminded to record their attendance.
Message generated and sent regarding no TGak meeting in PM1 slot, which appears to have been assigned in error (only PM1 on 7-15 was requested and appears on the agenda).
Summary for some attendees about presentation and straw poll regarding simplified SYNRA format that took place at the Wednesday PM1 meeting.
Presentations regarding comments on GCR by Ganesh Venkatesan:
1-15/724r2 (doc), “Solutions to some GLK-GCR related Comments (Part 1)”, Ganesh Venkatesan (Intel)
11-15/796r0 (doc), “Solutions to some GLK-GCR related Comments (Part 2)”, Ganesh Venkatesan (Intel)
Submission 15/0724r2 proposes revisions to resolve CIDs 309 & 396
Submission 15/0796r0 proposes resolutions for a large number of other comments on GCR, see that document for the full set of CIDs and resolutions. Also includes some corrections to achieve style and phrasing consistency with REVmc D4.0. Considerable discussion took place on the revision needed to resolve CID 229. Ganesh will generate a revision to 15/0796r0 based on topics identified by the attendees.
Chair announced that there remained 14 comments that had not been assigned for resolution. The remaining time of the AM2 session was used to reduce this number.
CID 384: Revise.
< note: the following list of CIDs addressed is probably incomplete >
CID 197: Reject.
CID 3: Duplicate comment, already fixed.
CID 5: Revise.
CID 423: Accept.
Recessed at 12:33 PM until 16:00 today.
Thursday, 16 July 2015, 16:00-18:00, Queens 4 Room
Called to order at 4:05PM by Chair Donald Eastlake (Huawei).
Mentioned IPR rules and show call for essential patents. No response.
Reminded to record attendance
Agenda approved without objection
12. MOVED to adjust the TGak timeline to move the WG recirculation from September 2015 to November 2015.
APPROVED BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT
13. MOVED to adopt the comment resolutions in 15/724r3, “Solutions to some GLK-GCR Related Comments (Part 1)”
Mover: Ganesh Venkatesan
Second: Michael Fischer
Yes: 5 No: 0 Abstain: 0
MOTION PASSES
14. MOVED to approve the comment resolutions in the Waikoloa tab and re-affirm approval of the comment resolutions in the Santa Clara tab of 15/556r8 and direct the Editor to produce a Draft P802.11ak_D1.2 incorporating all P802.11ak resolutions approved at this meeting through and including those approved by this motion
Mover: Ganesh Vankatesan
Second: Joseph Levy
Yes: 5 No: 0 Abstain: 0
MOTION PASSES
Continue with the final four remaining unassigned comments:
CID 6: Revise.
CID 7: Accept.
CID 8: Revise.
CID 11: Accept (already corrected).
Status check: All unassigned comments have been resolved. There are 199 comments assigned but unresolved (out of 437 total comments received).
Continue with presentation and discussion of 11-15/0931r0, “MAH Assigned Comments”, Mark Hamilton (Ruckus Wireless).
CID 386: Accept.
CID 156: Accept. Also make the same change in 4.3.23.1, page 5, line 26.
CID 157: Accept (also fixing typo).
CID 433: Revise (because BSSes do not provide ISS SAPs).
CID 192: Revise.
CID 17: Reject (the paragraph has been modified to be a recommended practice).
CID 175: Accept.
CID 178: Accept.
CID 413: Apply same fix as for CID 124.
CID 148: Reject.
CID 383: Revise.
CID 237: Fix as in CID 124.
CIDs with resolutions uploaded David Kloper in 15/0795r1 by 206, 41, 239, 258, 295, 202, 244, 112, 113, 198, 267, 224, and 87.
15. MOVED to accept resolutions of CIDs 206, 41, 239, 258, 295, 202, 244, 112, 113, 198, 67, 224, and 87, in 11-15/0795r1 and CIDs 156, 157, 433, 192, 17, 175, 178, 386, 413, 148, 383, and 237 in 11-15/0931r1
Mover: Richard Roy
Second: Michael Fischer
Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 0
MOTION PASSES
Meeting adjourned at 6:04.
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