May 2011doc.: IEEE 802.11-11/0688r0
IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs
Date: 2011-05-09
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / email
Stephen McCann / Research in Motion (RIM) UK Ltd / 200 Bath Road, Slough, Berkshire, SL1 3XE, UK / +44 1753 667099 /
IEEE 802.11 Interim Meeting – Session #127
Hyatt Grand Champions Hotel, Palm Springs, California, USA
May8th– 13th,2011
IEEE 802 Wireless Opening Plenary, Monday, 9thMay2011
8:01802.11, 802.15, 802.18, 802.19, and 802.22 Chairs called the joint meeting to order (15-11-319-01). IEEE 802.11 attendance is included as Annex A.
General announcements:
- Attendance will be collected via the IMAT
Straw Poll of new attendees: 2
8:04IEEE patent policy
802.15 WG chair read the IEEE-SA instructions for the WG chair and displayed the four slides explaining patent policy and informed the attendees that additional information could be found on the PatCom web site.
Chair asked participants to identify patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) and/or the holder of patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) that the participant believes may be essential for the use of that standard in the appropriate WG.
802.15 WG chair read IEEE anti-trust policy.
8:10Financial report by Jon Rosdahl, Clint Chaplin (11-11-690-00, 15-11-0369-00)
- March 12, 2011 - $390,172
- IEEE Account: $340,221.66
- Face-to-Face: $49,950
- (Interest rate is 0.38%)
- May 08, 2011 - $390,172
- IEEE Account: $340,221.66 + $101.13 = $340,322.79
- Face-to-Face: $49,950.00 + $112,752.15 = $162,702.15
- (Interest rate is 0.35%)
- Palm Springs
- Registration Income: $223,350
- (260:0/68:10/10:2/-11) Total339
- Meeting Expense Estimate: $236,367
- Surplus/Deficit($9127)
8:11Wireless announcements: (15-11-035-02)
Wireless Network Updates by Rick Alfvin
8:14Review future sessions
- July 17-22, 2011, Hyatt Regency at Embarcadero Center, San Francisco, CA
- September 18-23, 2011, Okinawa Convention Center, Okinawa, Japan
- November 6-11, 2011, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Atlanta, GA, USA
- January 15-20, 2012, Hyatt Regency, Jacksonville, Florida, USA
- March 11-16, 2012, Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA
- May 13-18, 2012, Hyatt Regency Atlanta, Atlanta, GA, USA
- July 15-20, 2012, Grand Hyatt Manchester, San Diego, CA, USA
- September 9-14, 2012, Hilton Waikoloa Village, Big Island, HI, USA
- November 11-16, 2012, Grand Hyatt San Antonio, San Antonio, TX, USA
8:25Task Group Updates
- Documents 11-11-482, 11-11-483, 11-11-484 help describe 802.11
- 802.11 by B Kramer, Marvell (315 voters, 42 potential voters)
TGmb- Revision
TGs - ESS Mesh Networking
TGu- Internetworking with External Networks
TGv - WIRELESS NETWORK MANAGEMENT
TGaa - VIDEO TRANSPORT STREAMS
TGac - VHT L6
TGad - VHT60
TGae – QOS Management
TGaf - TV Whitespace
TGah- S1G
TGai - FILS
802.15 (213 voters, 33 nearly voters)
WNG: next generation
TG4e: MAC enhancements
TG4f: RFID applications
TG4g: SUN applications
TG4h: corrigenda – on hold
TG4i: revision – sponsor ballot
TG4j: MBAN
TG4k: LECIM
TG6: (BAN)
TG7: (VLC TG): sponsor ballot
SG-Personal Environment Svc
SG-4TV (TVWS)
IG-Terahertz (not meeting here)
IG-HIP
IG-SRU (not meeting here)
802.18 Mike Lynch (10 voters)
- summarizing TVWS efforts within 802
802.19 Steve Shellhammer (48 voters)
- election of technical editor
- merging proposals
- assist 802.18 on their submission
802.22 Mody (16 voters)
- working on recommended practice 802.22.2
- discussing PARs for amendments
8:36Joint meeting adjourned
IEEE 802.11Opening Plenary, Monday 9thMay2011
Presiding chair: Bruce Kraemer (Marvell Semiconductor) opened the meeting at 09:00Pacific Standard Time (PST)
Jon RosdahlCSR
Stephen McCannResearch in Motion (RIM) UK Ltd
There are 315 voting members of IEEE 802.11
There were 93 people in the room.
- Approve/modify joint opening agenda(11-11-0482r3)
1.1.Chair: Any modifications required at this moment?
1.2.No objection to the approval of the agenda
- March2011Minutes (11-11-0312r1)
2.1.Review and approve joint minutes from the Singapore, March 2011 meeting.
2.2.Any objection to approving the March2011 minutes 11-11-0312r1by unanimous consent
2.3.Moved Stephen McCann, 2nd: Harry Worstell
2.4.Following neither discussion nor dissent these minutes were approved by unanimous consent.
- Notices
3.1.No photographs at this meeting and please turn your mobiles to vibrate. An exception will be made to photographs at the mid-week plenary on Wednesday.
- Meeting Graphic (11-11-0482r3)
4.1.This is a summary of all room allocations for the week
- Attendance
5.1.Welcome to the 7new participants.
- Documentation Server
6.1.Please note that there are two documentation servers: one local( and external server mentor. Please use the local server to download documents to save bandwidth.
6.2.Regarding drafts for the members only area, please send a copy to the WG secretary and ccthe vice-chair (who is not present this week). The secretary will then upload them to the local ( server.
- Call for essential Patents
7.1.The vice-chair read out the revised PatCom rules and then called for essential patents information, as shown by:
7.2.
7.3.Vice-chair: There are a couple of issues with the current IEEE-SA web page, so this information is not so easy to find.
7.4.No issues regarding the call for essential patents.
- Voting status, attendance, meeting network & documentation (11-11-0051r2)
8.1.This document provides all the information about attendance, documentation and other news about the group.
- Treasurers report (11-11-0690r0)
9.1.Quick summary of document which was presented earlier in the 802 wireless opening plenary.
9.2.There will be an update on this later in the week.
- Letter of Assurance (LoA) database(11-11-0484r0)
10.1.Please note that there are some problems with the LoA database in the way that the data is presented. This is currently being looked into.
- Voting status, attendance, meeting network & documentation (11-11-0051r2)
11.1.This document provides all the information about attendance, documentation and other news about the group.
- Announcements(11-11-0484r0)
12.1.Room Assignment Graphic
12.1.1.This is a slide showing where all the meetings are held this week.
12.2.IEEE 802.18
12.2.1.They have quite a few issues to address this week.
12.3.IEEE 802.19
12.3.1.Question (Q): I’m not sure if TGac have actually submitted a co-existence document into 802.19. It may be TGad.
12.3.2.Q: In addition, TGaf has been submitted but is not on the slide
12.3.3.Chair: I’m sure the 802.19 liaison officer will sort this out
12.3.4.Vice-chair: Yes, I’ve just checked and it should be TGad not TGac.
12.4.IEEE 802.21
12.4.1.Not meeting here this week
12.5.IEEE 802.22
12.5.1.Agenda shown on the screen
12.6.IEEE 802.23
12.6.1.Not meeting here this week
12.7.802 Executive Committee (EC)
12.7.1.There is predicted to be some IEEE 802.11 business at the July 2011 meeting:
12.7.2.Possible sponsor ballot requests for 11aa and 11ae.
12.7.3.Q: Isn’t there an 11z press release?
12.7.4.Answer (A): Yes, and that will be discussed on Wednesday as well.
12.8.March 2012 Venue
12.8.1.Originally the March 2012 plenary was going to be Melbourne, Australia. Unfortunately that can no longer happen, so it’s likely to be Hawaii
12.9.IEEE-SA Store
12.9.1.Please note the versions that are currently available in the IEEE-SA store
12.10.IEEE 802.11u and IEEE 802.11v Press Releases
12.10.1.These press releases presented at the Singapore meeting (March 2011) have now been approved.
- Status of all groups (11-11-0483r0)
13.1.Officer Updates
13.1.1.Please note that Adrian Stephens is not able to attend this week as vice-chair.
13.1.2.Both the TGah secretary and editor have now stepped down. Therefore there are open positions for these groups.
13.2.Editor’s Discussion
13.2.1.As mentioned earlier, there will be a discussion Tuesday AM1. All editors and interested parties are invited to attend.
13.3.Group Summaries
13.3.1.Chair: Presented the rest of the slides for all the groups, including the results of various letter and sponsor ballots.
13.4.ARC Ad Hoc
13.4.1.Please note that there will be no ARC meeting this week. This group will meet at the July 2011 meeting.
13.4.2.TGah
13.4.3.Note: The slides are still showing “fast link setup”. Please can this be corrected?
13.4.4.JTC1 Ad Hoc
13.4.5.Please note that there is an extra session on Wednesday AM1, so some of the Thursday topics will be brought forward to Wednesday.
13.5.Recent Letter and Sponsor Ballots
13.5.1.Please note the summary of the recent letter and sponsor ballots
13.6.TGs
13.6.1.TGs chair: please note that some extra late comments were received after the end of the sponsor ballot. I would like to suggest that TGs accepts these comments and will be dealt with in the usual way. At the end of the day, they improve the quality of the draft.
13.6.2.Q: regarding TGmb, could Adrian Stephens please attend.
- Approval for Skype connection for TGmb
14.1.TGmb chair: I’d like to request that the working group (WG)approves a Skype connection for the technical editor (Adrian Stephens) to attend remotely and present his report? The times would be Monday PM1 and Thursday AM1.
14.2.Chair: Is there any objection to this?
14.3.None seen.
- IEEE 802.11 MIB(11-11-0626r1)
15.1.TGmb chair: during the TGmb teleconference last week, it was suggested that there are several ways forward for the IEEE 802.11 MIB. I’d like to bring this to the attention of the WG.
15.2.Chair: could you provide an update on this later in the week?
15.3.A: Can I possibly send an update to the mailing list.
15.4.Comment (C): There will be also some updates from the technical editor’s meeting tomorrow morning.
- Any Other Business
16.1.Vice-chair: Please can I possibly have some help with some TGmb GEN (Generic) ad hoc comment resolutions. I need some expert help.
- Recess
17.1.Meeting recessed at 9:57PST
Wednesday, 11thMay2011
IEEE 802.11 Mid Week Plenary
Presiding chair: Bruce Kraemer (Marvell) opened the meeting at 10:32PST
140people present.
- Approve/modify joint opening agenda(11-11-0482r4)
18.1.Chair: There are some changes required to the agenda, resolving typos and some room changes.
18.2.Regulatory Ad Hoc: Regarding the agenda, the document number for the IEEE 802.18 liaison document is actually 11-11-0777r0
18.3.TGaa chair: I’ve noticed that there’s an error for the TGaa room assignments
18.4.Chair: Ok, let’s consider that a little later in this meeting.
18.5.Any objection to accepting the changes to the agenda?
18.6.No objection, so moved and approved.
- Call for Essential Patents
19.1.Call for essential patents
19.2.No items arose.
- CAC
20.1.Reminder about 19.30PSTmeeting on Thursday
- Other Announcements
21.1.Social: There will be a social tonight in the hotel, but there’s no more information at this time, so please looking on the notice board.
21.2.No questions
- Liaisons
22.1.IEEE 802.18 : Radio Regulatory Tag(11-11-0778r0)
22.1.1.Various new topics for the regulatory tag.
22.1.2.Please can you consider the proposed text (11-11-0777r0) for a liaison to ITU-R, comprising an input from TGaf. This liaison was also presented to TGaf this morning and there was no objection.
22.1.3.No questions
22.2.IEEE 802.19 : Co-existence Working Group(11-11-0784r0)
22.2.1.Addressing co-existence issues in IEEE 802.19 and also some IEEE 802 Architecture issues.
22.2.2.Chair: Has 802.19 updated their co-existence document list on their web page yet?
22.2.3.A: I don’t know
22.2.4.Vice-chair: Does the 802.19 Policies &Procedures(P&Ps) item on slide #3 actually refer totheir operations manual? It appears to be a typo, as I don’t think they actually mean P&Ps.
22.2.5.A: I’ll check with the 802.19 chair.
22.3.Bluetooth SIG
22.3.1.Interaction is going well at the moment with all IEEE 802.11 groups.
22.3.2.Chair: Are there any problems with the dual radio (Bluetooth and IEEE 802.11) implementations?
22.3.3.A: I currently don’t know the answer to that. I’ll provide an update at the next meeting.
22.4.Wi-Fi alliance (WFA)
22.4.1.There has been no major updates in the WFA since the last report, as WFA has not met since the IEEE 802.11 March meeting
22.4.2.Main issues at the moment are Hotspot 2.0 (11u) and 60 GHz (11ad).
22.4.3.I’ll bring some more information at the July meeting.
22.4.4.Next face to face meeting is 7-9th June 2011 in New York City, USA.
22.4.5.Q: Is there any activity based on the802.11ac draft?
22.4.6.A: Yes, but I’ll talk about that next time.
22.5.IETF(11-11-0691r0)
22.5.1.New group about White Space databases entitled “paws”. This is relevant to TGaf.
22.5.2.There will be a decision tomorrow about whether this group will be approved or not.
22.5.3.Other groups are:
22.5.3.1.HOKEY (Handover Keying)
22.5.3.2.EMU (EAP Method Update)
22.5.3.3.6LOWPAN
22.5.3.4.CORE
22.5.3.5.ECRIT
22.5.3.6.GEOPRIV
22.5.3.7.MEXT
22.5.4.Next meeting is in Quebec City, PQ, Canada in July 2011.
22.5.5.No questions
22.6.3GPP
22.6.1.No update at this point in time
- IEEE 802.11z press release (11-11-0698r1)
23.1.Approve the IEEE P802.11z press release in document 11-11-0698-01-0000-p802-11z-press-release.doc and forward to the IEEE-SA Marketing Director in preparation for ExCom ballot.
23.2.The IEEE 802.11 WG chair is authorised to make any necessary editorial changes.
23.3.Moved by Stephen McCann, 2nd Menzo Wentink
23.3.1.No objection to approving by unanimous consent.
- Technical Editor’s report (11-11-0497r1)
24.1.Presentation of the updated MEC (Mandatory Editorial Check) procedure in document 11-11-615r0. TGaa and TGae will follow this procedure between now and the July 2011 meeting.
24.2.C: I would like to request a special 2 hr meeting in July 2011 to discuss this further.
24.3.Chair: Ok.
24.4.No questions
- Room Changes
25.1.Chair: I would like to consider room changes.
25.2.TGad releases Wed PM2 and Thurs PM1
25.3.TGs requests Wed PM2
25.4.TGmb requests the previously free slot in Thurs PM2
25.5.TGac requests Thurs PM1
25.6.TGaa’s slot for Wed PM2 does appear on the room allocation sheet and it will be in suite #3245
25.7.TGae releases Thurs AM2
25.8.TGaf would like to discuss PHY matters during Thurs AM2
25.9.TGmb would like to discuss PHY comments Thurs AM1
25.10.TGs requests Thurs AM2
25.11.Chair: Is there any objection to these changes?
25.12.No objection
- TGad re-circulation ballot
26.1.Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from LB 174 on P802.11ad D2.0 as contained in document 11/0508r6,
26.2.Instruct the editor to prepare Draft 3.0 incorporating these resolutions and,
26.3.Approve a 15 day Working Group Recirculation Ballot asking the question “Should P802.11ad D3.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?”
26.3.1.Moved by Eldad Perahia on behalf of TGad
26.3.2.[TGad vote: 15-0-0]
26.3.3.For: 86, Against: 0, Abstain: 1 (Motion passes 100%)
- Officer Changes
27.1.TGad vice-chair
27.2.TGad chair: The current vice-chair is standing down and so I would like to announce that Chris Hansen is the new vice-chair.
27.3.TGac secretary
27.4.TGac chair: the group has a new secretary David Yang.
27.5.TGah secretary and technical editor
27.6.TGah chair: the group has a new secretary Yongho Seok and technical editor Minyoung Park.
- Regulatory Ad Hoc IEEE 802.18 Liaison(11-11-0777r0)
28.1.Move to approve the text in 11-11/777r0 as the 802.11 input to an RR-TAG information document to ITU-R WP1B, 5A and 6A.
28.1.1.Moved by Richard Kennedy, 2nd Peter Ecclesine
28.1.2.For: 71, Against: 0, Abstain: 0 (Motion passes 100%)
- IEEE 802.11u and IEEE 802.11v awards (11-11-0482r0)
29.1.Award ceremony for the recent publication of these two drafts.
29.2.Chair: I authorize photographs to be taken of the ceremony.
29.3.No objection
- Any Other Business
30.1.Meeting recessed to enjoy award cakes at 12:00PST
Friday, 13thMay2011
IEEE 802.11 Closing Plenary
Call to order at 08:00PST by Bruce Kraemer(Marvell Semiconductor).
59 people present in the room.
- Agenda(11-11-0482r6)
31.1.Chair: There have been some changes due to the addition of motions etc.
31.2.Any objection to adopting the changes to the agenda.
31.3.None seen
- Call for Essential Patents
32.1.Call for Essential Patents and Letters of Assurance (LoA)
32.2.No questions
- Announcements(11-11-0484r3)
33.1.Chair’s minutes, reports and web pages
33.1.1.Please can you send these to the secretary
33.1.2.Please be aware of the Chair’s schedule for the chair’s committee meetings (CAC)
33.2.July 2011 Meeting (San Francisco)
33.2.1.Chair: please note that room allocation plan is being arranged for the July 2011 meeting and this will be distributed soon. The planned CAC calls have not been finalized yet, but details will be sent out to the mailing lists soon.
33.3.802 Architecture
33.3.1.Chair: just a note that this will be a big topic in the July 2011 meeting.
33.4.Letters of Assurance (LoA)
33.4.1.Chair: as mentioned earlier in the week, there was a bug on the LoA web site. I have now been told that this has been fixed, but I’ve not checked this just yet.
33.5.IEEE Shop
33.5.1.Chair: This is a summary of all the IEEE 802.11 drafts available in the IEEE shop. I think most of the recent updates are now available in the shop. This is a big improvement from the situation a couple of months ago.
33.5.2.Chair: There is also a new source of documents in “textstreet” that we may describe in more detail in July 2011.
33.6.Tutorials in July2011
33.6.1.Chair: there is one tutorial request from IEEE 802.22 regarding geo-location. Therefore there are two slots available. Please note that any tutorials must be sponsored by a WG chair.
33.7.IEEE Mesh Tech ‘11 Conference
33.7.1.C: Just a note about this conference in Valencia, Spain.
33.7.2.Q: Please can you send out a URL to the mailing reflector for the conference web-site.
- Meeting Location
34.1.Chair: Can I have a show of hand to see who is in favor of returning to this location again?
34.2.For: 19, Against: 13
- Documentation & Attendance(11-11-0833r0)
35.1.Vice-chair: Short report about the attendance this week.
35.2.There have been 355 attendees this week, with 221 for IEEE 802.11
35.3.Q: Can we be consistent going forward with these charts please?
35.4.A: Generating the information is easy, but the chart creation is tricky.
35.5.Chair: Yes, sure. We’re definitely starting to use this information for planning etc.
- WG Reports
36.1.Publicity
36.1.1.Secretary: This week there was just the 802.11z press release from Wednesday
36.1.2.No questions.
36.2.Timelines
36.2.1.Secretary: updates to the TGaf and TGai timelines have been suggested by those groups. The web timeline chart will be updated over the weekend.
36.2.2.No questions
- WG Committee Reports(11-11-0813r0)
37.1.Technical editor (slide #3)
37.1.1.Mention of ANA and style guide.
37.1.2.TGaf has switched its position in the amendment ordering.
37.1.3.If anyone has questions about the new MEC (Mandatory Editorial Check) process, please can you contact the IEEE 802.11 technical editor. There will be a discussion topic on Monday evening of the July 2011 meeting about this.
37.1.4.Q: I noticed that the TGad draft references older versions of the other drafts. So I’m concerned about drafts being out of order.
37.1.5.A: Ok, it would be useful for me (the technical editor) to talk to the TGad editor.
37.2.WNG SC (slide #10)
37.2.1.Two presentations this week. One presentation had a motion to form a study group that failed, but it was felt that the topic will return.
37.2.2.No questions
37.3.TGmb(slide #13)
37.3.1.No interpretation requests.
37.3.2.Issues about the TGs amendment.