INTRODUCTION AND COURSE OVERVIEW. WHAT IS LOBBYING? WHAT DOES A LOBBYIST DO? WHO DO LOBBYISTS REPRESENT?

Goals for the class

  • How you advocate the government to take action
  • How lobbyists are regulated
  • Expansion of strategic thinking
  • Consider attempting to change the law as opposed to finding ways for your client to cope with it

What is lobbying?

  • An advocate who can articulate your case to a policymaker
  • Very similar to a lawyer
  • In DC, a lot of people are both lobbyists and lawyers
  • Morrison…Lawyers represent individuals or small groups of people in a proceeding; whereas, lobbyists attempt to effectuate policies affecting large numbers of people
  • Lobbyists are dealing with policy for everybody
  • In some areas of the law, sound advocacy for a client can come only through a change in the law
  • Hard to distinguish between lawyers and lobbyists
  • In a marginal way, lobbyists may even manage to influence judges
  • In some ways, lobbyists act as “mouthpieces” for interest groups
  • A lot of lobbying is not done by lobbyists, but rather through direct lobbying by interested citizens supported lobbyists
  • Statutory definition…Lobbyist Disclosure Act
  • If you attempt to influence legislation, executive action, government policies, or government contracts… “lobbyist”
  • A bit narrow…attempting to identify people who are substantially involved in “lobbying”

What do lobbyists do?

  • Direct advocacy
  • Relatively small percentage of time spent here
  • Sometimes if other things are done correctly, direct lobbying is not needed…
  • Grassroots advocacy
  • Getting someone to call an elected official with regards to a given issue
  • Lobbyists spend a lot of time coordinating and implementing grassroots activism
  • Influencing the public or segments of the public
  • Creating awareness of their views within the public
  • Some may argue this is manipulative, but in reality people are just putting forth and assuring their position
  • In many ways, lobbyists serve to inform the public

What is the value of lobbyists?

  • Good
  • Provide significantly in-depth info
  • This level of research provides education to congressional staffs
  • Good side of pressure…lobbyists facilitate
  • Morrison…lobbyists grease the wheels
  • Inertia is your enemy unless you are a lobbyist interested in maintaining the status quo
  • Amplify constituency
  • Drafting legislation
  • Aids in the legislative process
  • Fundraising
  • The lobbyist also acts to educate the client with regards to the issue at hand, policy implications, and policy effects (both potential and actual)
  • Bad
  • Bad side of putting on pressure…
  • Pressure forces decision making
  • Amplifying constituency may also prove negative
  • Money
  • Important point
  • Only people with money can employ lobbyists
  • Money can be achieved for a group by numerous small contributors or a smaller amount of large contributors
  • We must take into account that different types of people have different amounts of discretionary funds at their disposal
  • Drafting legislation
  • Compromises the legislative process
  • Fundraising

Morrison and Burns articles

  • Saints or sinners…judging lobbying is not really an issue of moral right or wrong
  • Instead, we must look at lobbyists as protectors of our 1st right
  • However, there are ways in which lobbyists can act more saint-like or more sinner-like
  • Special interests…
  • Often used as a pejoratively in public discourse
  • This should not be the case because the term represents a wide-range of things
  • Burns…special interests only prevail half the time
  • .500 batting average isn’t so bad
  • she argues that gains from lobbying are made the margins, when it is going to be a close call
  • Burns
  • Drastic change based on the circumstances

Who do lobbyists represent?

  • Associations
  • From the Chamber of Commerce to non-profit organizations
  • NGOs
  • Foreign countries/governments
  • Lobbyists help foreign governments understand the inner workings of the American political system
  • An example of someone who does not have a lobbyist
  • Some groups may not have direct lobbyists, but they do have other options

LEGAL HISTORY, CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS AND ROLE IN A DEMOCRACY OF LOBBYING – THE “PROS AND CONS”

  • Aside: if you are a lobbyist that is a lawyer, people will assume you know the applicable law (even if you do not)

Allard…

  • In times of political gridlock, lobbyists are sometimes the only ones who can bridge the gap between factions and achieve some kind of political progress.

Historical/constitutional foundations of lobbying

  • Stems from the historical right to petition government and seek redress for grievances
  • Starting all the way back with the Magna Carta in Great Britain
  • The Bill of Rights and lobbying…1st Amendment
  • Not just the right to petition government
  • Cannot provide this narrow of a reading
  • It is really a bundle of rights….freedom of expression; political rights
  • Rights beyond the right to petition…Freedom of speech; freedom to peacefully assemble; freedom of the press
  • Critical parts as the right to influence government
  • Early on there we not so many hired lobbyists, as we think of them today
  • Not until the 50s, 60s, and 70s that lobbyists become prevalent in Washington
  • Not a coincidence that the rise in lobbyists comes with the rise in complexity of economic issues, etc.
  • Right to political associations
  • NAACP v. Alabama
  • People have a right to associate politically with one another without the government inferring with that
  • Disclosing the names of those involved in a political movement could be a “chilling” tactic of the government
  • This is an important right for lobbyists because a lot of what lobbyists do is coalition building
  • The release of the names of people involved may constrain their ability to freely engage in political association
  • Courts are very protective in 1st cases involving freedom of speech and also lobbying/right to petition
  • However, Courts are not that protective when it comes to forcing retained lobbyists to disclose names
  • Lobbying in other countries
  • The structure of the American government is particularly conducive to lobbying
  • This is not the case elsewhere
  • In Europe, the representative governments do not have the same influence in producing legislation

Federalist No. 10

  • Madison is concerned with factors, and in particular keeping the majority factions in check
  • Difference between a republic and a democracy
  • The turmoil of a pure democracy
  • So many factions would cause chaos amidst groups fighting each other
  • Fear of the oppression of the majority
  • Did Madison anticipate a two-party system?
  • Madison seems to be accepting a premise… “factions are bad”
  • A system of self-government must exist so as to counter the negatives created by factions
  • Institutions have to be set up to contain the pernicious nature of factions, so as to harness them for good
  • What is the state of factions today?
  • Far more prevalent, pervasive (due to our greater degree of interconnection)…but what is the effect of this?
  • In order to get things done in Congress, you have to accommodate a lot of factions
  • In this way, you are hard pressed to get anything near a “pure product” through

Judicial review of lobbying law

  • Not a lot of case law
  • Strict scrutiny standard
  • Lobbying cannot be restricted
  • However, there are things that can be done to regulate lobbyists…possible routes…
  • Prohibition of contingent fees or success fees
  • The thought behind this is that contingent fees, all or nothing arrangements, put too much pressure on people to do the wrong thing
  • However, there are ways to get around this
  • Regulation of gifts and political contributions
  • Lobbying cannot be taxed
  • It would be an undue financial burden
  • However, it is okay to deny a deduction for lobbying activity (as if it were a normal business expense)…but it is not okay to tax lobbying activity
  • The government interest in regulating has to outweigh the impact on lobbying
  • Governmental interests of regulating lobbying
  • Avoiding corruption or the appearance of corruption
  • Transparency creates a collective sense of confidence that people know that there is not a slew of backroom deals going on
  • Beyond the public, disclosure benefits the members
  • Disclosures make known who lobbyists represent and from this one can garner a better idea of what the lobbyist is about
  • Furthermore, disclosure provides information to the media
  • People always find ways to get around lobbying regulations, then the regulations are readjusted, then beat again…its cyclical (like most other legal phenomena)
  • Take away
  • Lobbying cannot be restricted by Congress, but some lobbying practices may be restricted.
  • Congress can’t stop you from expressing yourself; however, Congress can regulate the practices you employ to express yourself.

POLICY MAKING PROCESS

  • What we want to focus on is each point where a lobbyist could speed up (if for) or slow down (if against) potential legislation
  • Your biggest enemy in failing to pass something is inertia

Idea

  • Starting point
  • Idea for policy/legislation could come from a lobbyist
  • You can converse with staff members, etc.
  • Advocating for a given client
  • Doing to research before pen is put to paper
  • Lobbyists have at times written bills (very rare), but more often consult with regards to the writing of bills
  • Legislation is rarely written by members or staff
  • Lobbyists generally sends a memo to a given legislative counsel
  • Legislative counsels create a draft bill and send it back to the lobbyists and also shop it around
  • Lobbyists remain in the loop in terms of consultation
  • The consultation may go on briefly or for years
  • Beyond this back-and-forth, you want to go get co-sponsors
  • Bi-partisan co-sponsors are particularly helpful
  • The objective is to develop a constituency with as many co-sponsors (other members, other Ss if you’re an S; other Hs if you’re an H) as you can
  • A bill being dropped with a significant number of co-sponsors (and diversity of ideologies) gives the bill a more serious tone

Introduction of a bill

  • “Drop it in the hopper” or electronic delivery
  • A serious, attention-getting bill will get a statement on the floor along with the coordination of the press

Referral to committee

  • As an L (lobbyist), you can try to work the referral of the bill
  • However, Ls do not have much sway here
  • Most times nothing happens when a bill goes to committee
  • Further referral goes to subcommittee
  • Sometimes a bill that ordinarily would go to subcommittee is not referred because the chairman fears what would happen
  • Lobbyist have some influence here
  • Bills can be referred to multiple committees
  • This multiplies the complexities of the process
  • Two parallel processes of the path converge and have to meet again
  • Hearings
  • Good time for Ls to influence
  • With regards to witnesses, what they say, and what questions members ask

Mark-up

  • Session were the bill is debated and talked about
  • L are important here
  • You can attempt to influence the members, provide data, discuss points

Chairman’s mark

  • Vote in committee and if author is lucky to bill will make it out of committee

Calendar

  • Bill sits here until the leadership wants it to move
  • Ls may have some influence in getting the bill moving

Rules Committee

  • Adopts a rule to consider the bill
  • Members in the H place procedural votes with regards to amending, etc. of the bill
  • Using majority and minority members follow suit
  • Whether it will be open or closed to amendments, debate, etc.
  • No completely open rules in the past two years
  • Some modified open rules
  • Controlled by the majority leadership
  • Potential for Ls to influence
  • Amendments could occur at this stage in the process
  • The most junior member in the S could really slow down a bill in hopes to kill it or try to reach more of a consensus
  • Filibuster
  • Not available to the H
  • S is much more difficult and different from the H
  • S needs unanimous consent; H needs majority
  • However, S agree to time limits in lieu of rules
  • Any S could really hold up anything
  • An important thing a L can do is persuade a friendly Senator to put a (“secret”) hold on a bill
  • Cloture
  • A vote to end debate

House votes/Senate votes

  • H passes
  • S passes

Conference Committee

  • Conference does not have to occur if S takes up an H bill or if H takes up and S bill
  • This is protocol for all bills except appropriations bills

H votes/S votes

  • Conference report
  • Effectively the new law
  • Compromise made between the H and S
  • Conference report is arguably the most important piece of legislative history for lawyers
  • Opportunity here for Ls to persuade

President

  • (1) Signs
  • L may try to have some influence at the signing ceremony (which are rare as is)
  • Signing statements are viewed more importantly by some than others
  • (2) Returns veto
  • chance for override
  • Room for influence here
  • Lobby for or against P’s veto

REFER TO FLOW CHART ON BACK OF SYLLABUS IN FOLDER

  • Aside: State of the Union
  • Lobbyists will try and get the P to say certain things

Lobbying the administration (post-passing legislation)

  • P has the power of the executive order
  • The P has extraordinary power
  • Especially in wartime
  • Lobbying the executive branch is often still congressional lobbing because it is more influential for a member of Congress to attempt to persuade the administration
  • Appropriations committees can influence the agencies
  • And appropriations committee members can be lobbied
  • Another instance of lobbying Congress to influence the executive
  • Office of Management and Budget
  • Makes announcement about what a new law’s empirical effects may be
  • You can try to lobby them, but in a limited way
  • Rulemaking process
  • agency wants to promulgate a regulation/rule
  • the first thing the agency does is offer an opportunity to comment
  • if you are a L, you can ask a member to write a letter on your behalf
  • a rule can be influenced or even held back
  • There are many routes (some backdoor) for influencing the regulatory system
  • Lobbying agencies directly
  • Getting members to write letters
  • Getting members to hold hearings
  • Members of affected districts will probably listen most fervently
  • There is a lot of congressional input into regulatory decisions

Going back to the legislative process

  • a report on the bill is written after members come out of committee
  • report language
  • report has language in it with regards to how Congress sees the agency dealing with the bill
  • clearing up intent
  • getting the agency to do what you want
  • they do not want to fail to do what the congress put forth
  • not binding, but has value
  • colloquy
  • a member will discuss the bill’s language on the floor
  • a lot of nitpicking on the language of the bill
  • clearing up intent
  • getting the agency to do what you want
  • they do not want to fail to do what the congress put forth
  • Presidential appointments and confirmations
  • A lot of lobbying here
  • Big policy implications
  • Confirmation hearings
  • Lobby Senators to ask particular questions
  • Put nominee on the spot
  • Hold up nominations until the question is answered

COMPONENTS OF A LOBBYING CAMPAIGN[22-29]

  • Components of a lobbying campaign (direct lobbying, building public support, grass-roots lobbying, media, pollsters, policy/legal/economic analyses)

Digression

  • A former US Senator is banned from lobbying anybody in the Congress for two years
  • The key question to ask is “what is lobbying?”
  • Lobbying…a communication intended to influence a fed official
  • What is a communication intended to influence fed official?
  • They may become strategic advisors
  • Former members can talk to one another, they just cannot communicate with the intent of influencing
  • They may simply be attempting to obtain information from a current senator
  • Numerous attempts at obtaining info may be construed as more than just regular “communication”
  • Interpretation and/or recollection of a conversation may differ in great degree between two people
  • Look at the obvious, how it could appear
  • For instance, take into account a former senator may be getting funded by a lobbying firm
  • What does it mean to not be able to lobby?
  • This post-employment restriction is broader than the Lobbying Disclosure Act
  • Former Senators can become lobbyists, but cannot lobby
  • Political activity is a very regulated activity now
  • What, where, and how you say something can get you in trouble

Birnbaum article

  • Setting the stage
  • 9/11 had a devastating impact on US travel
  • tightening of visas
  • fear
  • coming into and going out of two big recessions
  • Disney employee starts the lobbying efforts
  • Big idea is to get US gov’t to pay for international advertising campaign
  • Really big Ask
  • The Ask is not received, but a more permanent lobbying faction is created
  • Lobbying efforts are not always completely successful and often take several years
  • Managing a coalition is very difficult because there is so many competing interests
  • It is hard to get new money out of Congress
  • The only way you could get new money is to take it away from somebody else
  • Here, not a whole lot of fighting the 9/11 sentiment, they tried to go around it
  • Not a particularly good move
  • Tom Ridge
  • Acts as a validator
  • Particularly important if pushing a counterintuitive or unattractive idea to the people you are trying to sell to
  • Funding your own study, even if completely legit, undermines it somewhat

Coalitions

  • Here, who is in this travel coalition?
  • Hotels
  • Airlines
  • Travel agents
  • Rental car agencies
  • Amusement parks
  • Restaurants
  • Counties and cities
  • Especially those with travel destinations
  • Labor unions may apply to all of the above factions?
  • In many cases the unions will not work out with these issues because industries generally have adversarial relationships with organized labor
  • Has changed a bit over the years?
  • Competition in one arena and cooperation in another
  • I.e., strange bedfellows
  • Who (members, other executives, etc.) wants what we want? Whose objectives overlap with our objectives? Whose are at odds? Who is persuadable?
  • Sometimes you find strange bedfellows
  • Everything revolves around competing interests
  • “if you ever want to run for President, you’re going to have run through Iowa, and it doesn’t help to lose the Iowa caucuses.”
  • Political leverage…members often do not vote against IA on issues that their state has no real interest in
  • E.g., ethanol tax credits
  • Putting together a coalition
  • Start with a meeting
  • Money
  • Deeper pockets pay more
  • Coalition building is about as important as anything
  • Who does the coalition need to talk to?
  • Members; the public; the press
  • Both from the right and the left
  • What do you use as talking points?
  • Polling; academic studies; validators
  • What if you don’t win?
  • Often times, restart and try to get further the next campaign around
  • “You never want to achieve all your clients goals…”
  • Doesn’t really make sense.
  • There is always more work and you will get more if you do your job well.
  • This is without even mentioning ethics.
  • Overall…
  • You bring in your team, then you find out the team against you.