May 2007doc.: IEEE 802.11-07/1962r1

IEEE P802.11
Wireless LANs

Tentative minutes of the IEEE P802.11 Full Working Group
Date: 2007-05-31
Author(s):
Name / Company / Address / Phone / email
Stephen McCann / Nokia Siemens Networks Roke Manor / Old Salisbury Lane, Romsey, Hampshire, SO51 0ZN, UK / +44 1794 833341 /


IEEE 802.11 Interim Meeting – Session #103

Fairmont Hotel, Montreal, Quebec, Canada

May 14th-18th, 2007

Monday, 14 May 2007

Joint Wireless Opening Plenary

802.11, 802.15, 802.18, 802.19, 802.20, 802.21, and 802.22 Chairs called the joint meeting to order. Presiding chair : Stuart Kerry, NXP Semiconductors.

  1. Approve/modify joint opening agenda (11-07-0348r3)
  • Following neither discussion nor dissent the agenda was approved.

Review and approve joint minutes from the London meeting

  • Upon neither discussion nor objection the joint minutes were approved.

, asked for those attending for the first time, 14 responded out of a total of 178 people in the room.

  1. Financial report(15-07-711r0)
  • March balance was $143,606.51
  • May 14 balance was $136,876.51
  • Funds in Face-to-Face Events account were $72,234.21
  • Meeting reserve funds of $209,110.72
  • Montreal status:
  • 407 attendees registered as of 13 May
  • Estimated meeting surplus of about $1,700
  1. Review of IEEE, 802 LMSC, 802.11 Policies & Procedures(11-07-0660r2)
  • Member affiliation requirement that has been added by the IEEE SA as included in doc 07/660r2

  • Members affiliation, at this meeting, are shown below:

Aboul-Magd / Osama / NortelNetworks
Adachi / Tomoko / Toshiba Corporation
Alexander / Thomas / VeriWave, Inc
Alimian / Areg / Ixia
Amann / Keith / Polycom
Andrade / Merwyn / Aruba Networks
Andrus / David / Apple, Inc.
Aramaki / Takashi / MatsushitaElec(Panasonic)
Arita / Takashi / Fujitsu Component LTD
Armstrong / Lee / US DoT
Ashley / Alex / NDS Ltd
Aso / Keigo / Matsushita Electric Industrial
Astrin / Arthur / Astrin Radio
Audeh / Malik / Tropos Networks
Backes / Floyd / Autocell Labs, Inc.
Bagby / David / Calypso Ventures, Inc.
Bahr / Michael / Siemens Enterprise Communications
bai / sue / CAMP
Bajko / Gabor / nokia
Barr / John / Motorola
Basson / Gal / Wilocity
Benko / John / Orange Labs
Benveniste / Mathilde / Avaya Labs
Bjerke / Bjorn / Qualcomm
Blanchard / Colin / BT Group
Bumiller / George / Research In Motion
Cam-Winget / Nancy / Cisco Systems
Canpolat / Necati / Intel Corp
Cardona / Javier / cozybit Inc.
Casas / Eduardo / Intel
Cavalcanti / Dave / Philips
Centonza / Angelo / Nokia Siemens Networks
Chambelin / Philippe / THOMSON
Chan / Douglas / Cisco Systems
Chaplin / Clint / Samsung Electronics
Chen / Chih-Chang / Ralink
Chen / Lily / NIST
Cheng / Hong / Panasonic
Chindapol / Aik / Siemens
Choong / Khong Neng / BT Multimedia
Choudhury / Abhijit / Cisco Systems
Chu / Liwen / STMicroelectronics
Conner / Steven / Intel
Cooklev / Todor / Hitachi America Ltd.
Crowley / Steven / DoCoMo USA Labs
Cypher / David / NIST
Davydov / Alexey / Intel
de Courville / Marc / Motorola Labs
De Vegt / Rolf / QUALCOMM, Inc.
Denteneer / Theodorus / Philips
Deshpande / Manoj / Qualcomm
Dickey / Susan / Caltrans
Dorsey / John / Apple
Douglas / Brett / Cisco Systems Inc.
Driesen / Bas / Philips Consumer Electronics
Du / Lei / DoCoMo Beijing Labs
Durand / Roger / Research In Motion
Duserre / Anne-Sophie / France Telecom
Duvvuri / Srinivasa / Atheros
Eastlake / Donald / Motorola
Ecclesine / Peter / Cisco Systems
Edwards / Bryan / Polycom
Emeott / Stephen / Motorola
Emmelmann / Marc / TU Berlin
Epstein / Joe / Meru Networks
Erceg / Vinko / Broadcom
Erlich / Yossi / Intel
Falk / Lars / TeliaSonera
Feinberg / Paul / Sony Electronics Inc.
Fischer / Matthew / Broadcom
Fisher / Wayne / ARINC, Inc.
Fukui / Kiyoshi / Oki Electric Industry Co., Ltd.
Gallizio / Edoardo / 11 voting member
Gast / Matthew / Trapeze Networks
Gilb / James / SiBEAM
Gong / Michelle / Cisco Systems
Gosteau / Jeremy / Motorola
Gu / Daqing / DoCoMo Beijing Labs
Gupta / Pratibha / Atheros Communications
Hansen / Christopher / Broadcom
Hares / Susan / NextHop Technologies
Hart / Brian / Cisco Systems
Hassan / Amer / Microsoft
Hattig / Myron / Intel
Hiertz / Guido / Philips
Hinsz / Christopher / Motorola
Hirano / Jun / MatsushitaElectric(Panasonic)
Hu / Wendong / STMicroelectronics
Huang / Robert / Sony
Huh / Jiyoung / LG Electronics
Hunter / David / Panasonic
Husen / Sri / Philips
Inoue / Yasuhiko / NTT
Jeon / Ho-In / Kyung-Won Univ.
Jeong / Moo Ryong / DoCoMo USA Labs
Jetcheva / Jorjeta / Firetide, Inc.
Ji / Lusheng / AT&T
Jokela / Jari / Nokia
Kafle / Padam / Nokia
Kahn / Michael / Fluke Networks
Kain / Carl / USDOT
Kakani / Naveen / Nokia
Kasher / Assaf / Intel Corporation
Kennedy / Richard / OakTree Wireless
Kenney / John / ToyotaTechnicalCenter
Kerry / Stuart / NXP Semiconductors
Kiernan / Brian / InterDigital Communications Corp
Kim / Dukhyun / Samsung
Kim / Eunkyo / LG Electronics
Kim / Joonsuk / Broadcom
Kim / Kyeongsoo / Advanced System Technology
Kim / Yong Sun / ETRI
Kimyacioglu / Kursat / Philips Research
Kinney / Patrick / Kinney Consulting LLC
Kneckt / Jarkko / Nokia
Kobayashi / Mark / Broadcom
Koh / Benjamin / Panasonic
Kraemer / Bruce / Marvell
Kruys / Jan / Cisco
Kuhtz / Christian / EarthLink Municipal Networks
Kumar / Rajneesh / Cisco Systems
Kurihara / Thomas / IEEE P1609 WG Chair
Kwak / Joe / InterDigital Comm
Landt / Jeremy / Transcore
Lee / Jin / LG Electronics,Inc
Lee / Wooyong / Principal Engineering Staff
Lemberger / Uriel / Intel
Levy / Joseph / InterDigital Comunications Corporation
Li / Sheung / Atheros
Lin / Huashih / ISSC
Lin / Paul / Ralink Technology Corp.
Liu / Hang / Thomson, Inc.
Liu / I-Ru / Accton Technology Corporation
Loc / Peter / Marvell Semi
Ma / Hui / Huawei
Madhavan Pillai / Krishna Sankar / Wipro Technologies
Malinen / Jouni / Devicescape Software, Inc.
Maltsev / Alexander / Intel
Mani / Mahalingam / Avaya Inc.
Marshall / Bill / AT&T
Maruyama / Naotaka / NETCLEUS Systems corporation
Mathew / Abbie / NewLANS
Matta / Sudheer / Trapeze Networks
McCann / Stephen / Nokia Siemens Networks GmbH & Co. KG
McNamara / Darren / Toshiba
McNew / Justin / 802.11
Merrill / Mark / Netgear
Mesecke / Sven / Buffalo
Meyer / Klaus / Atmel
Miller / Robert / AT&T
Moayeri / Nader / NIST
Montemurro / Michael / Research in Motion
Moorti / Rajendra / Broadcom Corp
Morioka / Yuichi / Sony Corporation
Moskowitz / Robert / Senior Technical Director
Munaka / Tatsuji / Manager
Myles / Andrew / Cisco
Myszne / Jorge / Wilocity
Nadeem / Tamer / Siemens Corporate Research
Nagai / Yukimasa / Mitsubishi Electric
Nakamura / Tetsuya / NTT
Nanda / Sanjiv / Qualcomm, Inc.
Narasimhan / Partha / Aruba Networks
Ngo / Chiu / Samsung
Nikula / Eero / Nokia
O'Hara / Bob / Cisco Systems
Ono / Ryoji / Mitsubishi Electric
Orihashi / Masayuki / Panasonic
Oyama / Satoshi / Hitachi
Paine / Richard / Boeing
Park / Minyoung / Intel Corporation
parsa / kourosh / ortronics
Patel / Vijay / IEEE
Peng / Maujy / 802.11
Perahia / Eldad / Intel Corporation
Petranovich / James / Conexant Systems, Inc.
Petrick / Al / widefi
Pirzada / Fahd / N/A
Ponnuswamy / Subbu / Aruba Networks
Ptasinski / Henry / Broadcom
Qi / Emily / Intel
Qian / Luke / Cisco
Raab / Jim / Dell
Rai / Vinuth / Toyota ITC
Raissinia / Ali / Qualcomm Inc.
Rajanarayanan / Vijaykarthik / Meru Networks Inc
Rayment / Stephen / BelAir Networks
Reede / Ivan / AmeriSys Inc.
Roebuck / Randal / Sirit
Roy / Richard / SRA
Sakoda / Kazuyuki / Sony Corporation
Schultz / Don / 802.11n
Shao / Huai-Rong / Samsung
Sharma / Neeraj / Intel Corporation
Sharma / Suman / Intel
Sherlock / Ian / Texas Instruments
Shimada / Shusaku / Yokogawa Co.
Simon / Francois / ARINC
Simons / John / Hitachi
Smith / Matt / Atheros Communications
Sood / Kapil / Intel
Souryal / Michael / NIST
Sreemanthula / Srinivas / Nokia
Stanley / Dorothy / Aruba Networks
Steck / William / CSR Inc.
Stephens / Adrian / Intel Corporation
Stephenson / Dave / Cisco Systems
Strutt / Guenael / Motorola
Sun / Winston / Atheros Communications
Surineni / Shravan / Qualcomm
Suzuki / Hideyuki / Sony Corporation
Tan / Pek Yew / Panasonic
Tan / Teik-Kheong / GCT Semiconductor
Tanahashi / Mike / Taiyo Yuden
Taori / Rakesh / Samsung
Thomson / Allan / Cisco Systems
Thrasher / Jerry / Employee
Tolpin / Alexandet / Intel Corporation
Trachewsky / Jason / Broadcom Corporation
Trainin / Solomon / Intel
Ueda / Kenji / NETCLEUS Systems Corp.
Umehira / Masahiro / IbarakiUniversity
van Bokhorst / Ruud / Philips
van Zelst / Allert / Qualcomm
Varshney / Prabodh / Nokia
Venkatesan / ganesh / Intel Corporation
Victor / Dalton / Broadcom
Vlantis / George / STMicroelectronics, Inc.
Wakeley / Timothy / Employee
Walker / Jesse / Intel Corporation
Wang / Qi / Broadcom Corporation
Warren / Craig / broadcom
Watanabe / Fujio / DoCoMo USA Labs
Waye / Patrick / Mine Radio Systems Inc.
Wentink / Menzo / Conexant
Whitesell / Stephen / VTech Communications
Worstell / Harry / AT&T
Yagi / Akiyoshi / Mitsubishi Electric corp
Yang / Sihoon / LG Electronics
Yang / Zhiyu / Marvell Semiconductor Inc
Yee / James / Marvell Semiconductor
Yee / Peter / NSA/IAD
Yeh / Chi-Hsiang / Queen's Univ.
Yoshida / Seiji / NTT-MCL, Inc.
Yuan / ChinMing / 802.11
Zhang / Hongyuan / Marvell
Zhang / Huimin / Huawei
Zhang / Jinyun / MItsubishi Electric Research Laboratories
Zhang / Junping / myself
Zuniga / Juan-Carlos / InterDigital

Al Petrick read highlights of the IEEE-SA patent policy as included in doc 07/660r2

  • Comment: Rolf de Vogt, affiliation of Qualcomm; read the following statement “That Qualcomm may have intellectual property underlying a contribution that, if adopted, could be essential to the practice of the standard. If we do, we will timely comply with all IEEE requirements regarding IPRs and disclosure”
  • 802.11 Chair asked the commenter if this was a comment to his particular WG or to all WG / TAG Chairs present
  • Answer: general statement to all Chairs present
  • 802.11 Chair noted that it is the WG chair’s responsibility upon hearing of required IP, to find out the general counsel of the noted company and send them a LOA request
  • Question : Ask the chair to repeat obligations of the TG chairs as to their procedures. Reply was that the patent sections were to be read to each TG at least once this week.
  • IEEE antitrust statement was read.
  1. LoA Requests
  • No response was heard from any attendee
  1. Review Interim meetings
  • September 16 -21, 2007: HiltonWaikoloaVillage, Big Island, HI,USA
  • Hotel rate expires 1st August 2007
  • January 13-18, 2008Taipei, Taiwan
  • Taipei convention center or Howard hotel TBD
  • 11-16 May, 2008: Hyatt Regency in Jacksonville, FL, USA
  • 7 - 12 Sept, 2008 US Midwest location TBD
  • 802.15 chair noted that after 2008 one plenary per year will be an international venue
  • Question asked as to Jan 2009 venue with the reply that it had not been decided as of yet
  1. Agenda review
  • 802.11 chair noted that all WG / TAG chairs are considering changes to the joint meeting in future interims
  1. Summary of key working group/802 events/activities
  2. 802.11 Wireless Local Area Networks

Attendance announced 802.11 record (802.11-06/1736r3)

  • 802.11 WG voter summary: 327 voters, 16 potential, 84 nearly, 227 aspirants
  • Went on to delineate the procedures for recording attendance to 802.11 meetings
  • Question: As to 802.11 attendance, how can we know when we have crossed the 75% attendance threshold? Response was that there was no way with the current software so concerned would need to ask IEEE 802.11 attendence vice-chair, until the new attendance software is in place. Due July 2007
  • Question: is the server working? Response: yes

802.11 Policies and Procedures (IEEE 802.11 -07/675 r0)

  • Document IEEE 802.11 -07/360r3 is not available. IEEE 802.11 vice-chair responded that he will check upon this later

802.11 Chair reviewed any modifications or changes to the IEEE 802.11 agenda for the session, IEEE 802.11 07/348 rev 4

  • Upon neither discussion nor dissent the agenda was approved
  • Group chairs
  • WNGSC: 2 presentations are scheduled this week
  • TGk (IEEE 802.11 -07/662 r1)
  • Letter ballot 103 results (5th recirculation): out of 514 total: 363/29/30
  • received authorization to go to sponsor ballot
  • TGmb: set up process for interpretation requests
  • TGn: working on comments from LB2, expecting draft 3.0 to be complete by Sept timeframe
  • TGp: resolving comments from LB92 noting that the beacons are key to the resolutions
  • TGr: focus on comment resolution from LB98
  • TGs: focus on comment resolution from LB93
  • TGT: Intel: focus on comment resolution on LB 101
  • Question: LB 101 is not closed, how can we resolve comments? Reply: some comments are known and those that might be withdrawn are expected to be few
  • Question: How do we deal with amended draft before the LB is closed? Reply: We won’t change the draft before close of LB
  • Question: Is there a precedent for this procedure? Reply: Yes
  • TGu:sorting out draft document try to go to LB after session
  • TGv: plan is to go to LB after session
  • TGy:discussion extended channel switch announcement. LB 104 process comments amend draft go to lb before July.
  • DLS SG: IEEE 802.11 -07/657r2 technical presentation on DLS
  • VTS-SG: writing the PAR and 5C
  • QES-SG: discussion of PAR and 5C for QoS enhancements
  • VHT SG: first meeting for this group, review processes,
  • Question: I note that two meetings had been canceled
  • There are two nominees seeking to be chair of this SG.
  • IMT Advanced Ad Hoc:
  • no comments were received from LB
  • No need for time slots this session
  • IETF Ad Hoc:
  • Meeting slots have been canceled due to lack of comments
  • IEEE 802.11 -07/665r0 document will be liaison report
  • 802.15 Wireless Personal Area Networks
  • Member update: 140 voters, 19 nearly, 74 aspirants
  • 15 WNG: two presentations are expected this week
  • 15.3c, 18 proposals received:
  • 15.4d alternate low rate PHY, status of Japanese regulatory, coexistence, channel models, asked for .11n channel model assistance from group
  • 15.4c SG: sub GHz for China, CWPAN review
  • 15 MBAN: review regulatory issues, applications, channel models of human body
  • 15.5, focus on low data rate mesh
  • 802.18 Regulatory TAG (802.18-07-036)
  • 19 voters
  • Competed comments on FDA RF guidelines
  • Completed response to FCC on 60 GHz issues
  • Held 2 meetings on 802 input to ITU-R
  • IMT advanced with EC ballot 16/0/0
  • 802.19 Wireless Coexistence TAG (19-07/013)
  • 19 voting members
  • Discussion and presentations on coexistence of 802.11y/802.16h/80.21
  • 802.20 Mobile Broadband Wireless Access
  • 146 voters.
  • Round 1 of practice ballot due to possible issues on draft document
  • Draft is a result of merging numerous proposals
  • 802.21 Media Independent Handoff
  • 64 voters, 5 nearly voters.
  • Passed 75% threshold on LB
  • 802.22 Wireless Regional Area Networks
  • 63 voters, 7 nearly voters, 31 aspirants
  • WG effort will be spent wrap details to move from pre-draft to draft 1.0 and onto WG LB
  • TG1 is working on pre-draft and expects to go to draft 1.0 and onto LB
  1. AoB Business
  2. Adjourned

Joint 802.11, 802.15, 802.18, 802.19, 802.20, 802.21, and 802.22 meeting

Mid-Week Plenary: Wednesday, May 16, 2007

  1. Introduction

1.1.The mid-week plenary is called to order by Stuart J. Kerry (NXP Semiconductors) at 10:32 ET

1.2.This session will run from 10:30-12:30.

1.3.Tentative agenda of 802.11 is in doc 11-07-0348r5.

1.4.The attendance is 149 individuals.

  1. Modifications to Agenda

2.1.Chair:Any modifications to agenda?

2.2.Comment:Yes : TGr does not need two certain meeting slots

2.3.Comment: TGs would like the request these TGr slots please.

2.4.Any objection to changing the agenda unanimously?

2.4.1.No.11-07-0348r5r5 moved and approved by unanimous consent.

2.5.Question. I have another issue about the agenda.

2.6.Chair: Please can we leave it until Friday.

  1. Patent Issues

3.1.Chair: The chair needs to be aware of any patent issues/letters of assurance. Is everyone familiar with patent policy, are there any questions?

3.2.Scott Henderson: RIM, I would like to make a statement “In conformance to the IEEE Patent Policy, RIM is please to declare that it may have Intellectual Property which may be essential to 802.11 and will conform to section 6.2.b of the Patent Policy”

3.3.No more questions/comments.

3.4.Chair: will send blanket formscovering all active approved PARs to both Qualcomm and RIM for completion

  1. Attendance

4.1.Please remember to use the Attendance system. You require 75% attendance for the week, to count towards voting status.

  1. March 2007 WG Minutes

5.1.Approval of Orlando minutes 11-07-0500r0

5.2.No comments

5.3.Unanimous approval

  1. Other Announcements

6.1.Patent Policy

6.1.1.Chair: Not giving a legal point of view.

6.1.2.There is no duty to read all these slides. There is just a duty to “Call for Patents”. The reading of this call is what must then be recorded in all minutes by all groups. Please can all chairs be made aware of this.

6.1.3.The following statement has been made from Dave Ringle, IEEE legal council:

“There is no duty to use/read the patent slides developed by PatCom. They are a tool that was created to aid WGs in doing the Call for Patents.

The important thing is that the Call for Patents must occur at every standards developing meeting. The minutes must record that the Call occurred and any responses.

Please see the following:

  • IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual 6.3.2 at
  • FAQ 4 and 5 at ”

6.1.4.Chair: This is now IEEE 802.11 policy.

6.2.E911 802 Ad Hoc

6.2.1.Chair: I have appointed Stephen McCann as chair for the IEEE 802 Emergency Services Ad Hoc, which will be held during the IEEE 802 July Plenary.

6.3.Canadian French P&P

6.3.1.Issue about policies and procedures in French to comply with Canadian Law.

6.3.2.Dave Ringle replied to this question, stating that this meeting complies with all applicable laws.

6.4.Attendance server

6.4.1.11-07-0767r0 is the document describing the new documentation system.

6.4.2.The IEEE 802.11 vice-chair will send out an email later to inform the membership that this will come on line next week. Please note that the existing will cease to be used after 22nd May 2007 @23:59 ET. Hence please be careful with new numbers over the weekend, as these may not exist within the new system. The system will be shut down until 24th May 2007 @23:59 ET, when the new system will come online. The 802wirelessworld.com website will then automatically re-direct to the new one.

Questions:

6.4.3.What about revisions to document numbers.

6.4.4.Answer: These will not be affected.

6.4.5.Thank you all very much for doing this. What about external/local servers at future meetings.

6.4.6.Answer: Similar to how it is now.

6.4.7.What about the ftp site?

6.4.8.Answer: Not sure about this, but ftp will not be allowed by the IEEE because of security concerns.

6.4.9.May I have a straw poll: “Delay the switch to the new document system, until ftp is allowed”.

6.4.10.Chair: No,I’m going to disallow that, as we have to move on with the documentation system. I respectfullydecline your request for your straw poll, as it is imperative that we move to the new system because the existing system is seriously failing and members cannot be disenfanchised