Draft Minutes of OASIS TOSCA TC Meeting
URL OF CALENDAR EVENT: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tosca/event.php?event_id=41797
DATE: October 6, 2016
TIME: 9:00 am PST
Scribe: Chris Lauwers (Ubicity Corp.)
Meeting was quorate: YES
Observers: N/A
Roster
[The co-chairs maintain the roster based on the TC Process rules. Since rights are gained/lost at the end of a meeting and the co-chairs update between meetings, the roster should be accurate at the start of each meeting. You can view it at: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tosca/members/roster.php]
Approval of Minutes
The chair motioned for the below draft minutes (submitted by Juergen) to be approved Seconded by Damian. Motion PASSES by unanimous consent:
September 29, 2016: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tosca/document.php?document_id=59022
Approved Agenda:
Based on review and discussion of the proposed agenda, the chair motioned for the below agenda to be approved. Seconded by Juergen. Motion PASSES by unanimous consent
Other Motions and Results (broken out from below):
Motion from Paul: "The TC approves, in principle, the research and conclusions created by the Container and Clustering Ad-Hoc Group, and accepts the group's recommendation that they now disband in order to continue their work, as individuals, within the various other ad hoc groups, most notably the YAML ad hoc group with the goal of integrating their research recommendations into future releases of TOSCA."
Seconded by Damian. Motion passes by unanimous consent.
Motion from Paul: “The TC thanks Hemal Surti for his leadership of the TOSCA TC's Container and Clustering Ad Hoc Group”.
Seconded by Matt. Motion passes by unanimous consent.
Motion to Adjourn:
MOTION to adjourn by Paul. Second by John. Motion PASSES by unanimous consent. Meeting adjourned at 10:30 AM Pacific Time
Raw Chat Log:
Paul Lipton (co-chair) public: Hello and welcome to today's meeting of the TOSCA TC! Please note that we may use a different phone bridge, web conferencing, and chatroom. Specific logistics information for this TC meeting was privately communicated to all TC members and observers. If you do not have this information, please send an email to the co-chairs using the email address that you are registered with at OASIS requesting the information.
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LEAVES OF ABSENCE (for the minutes as per OASIS process (and to be helpful for planning)):
none
THANKS AGAIN TO ALL OUR SCRIBES (LAST SIX VOLUNTEERS BELOW)!
* Juergen Meynert - Sept. 29
* John Crandall - Sept. 8
* Karsten Beins - Aug. 25
* Luc Boutier - Aug. 4
* John Crandall - July 21
* Damian Tamburri - July 14
SCRIBE QUEUE (please volunteer for a future meeting in the chat room or speak up now!)
* Chris Lauwers - Oct. 6
* CANCELED - Oct. 13
* Damian Tamburri - Oct. 20
* CANCELED - Oct. 27
* ???? - Nov. 3
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Chris Lauwers (Ubicity) morphed into Chris Lauwers (Scribe)
anonymous morphed into Hemal Surti
anonymous1 morphed into Thinh Nguyenphu (Nokia)
anonymous morphed into Richard Probst (SAP)
anonymous1 morphed into Derek Palma (Vnomic)
Paul Lipton (co-chair) public: Welcome / Roll
Co-chair appoints a scribe (continues to solicit volunteers for future meetings, as needed)
Review/approve draft proposed agenda
Review/approve draft minutes
* September 29: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=59011&wg_abbrev=tosca
** Thanks to Juergen Meynert for scribing
New TC Members and Observers: Andrew Byrne from Dell (Observer), Zdravko Bozakov from Dell (Observer), Mr. Albert Kappe from Justitiele Informatiedienst (Observer), Mr. Mike Gerdts from Oracle (Observer), Mr. Bruce Thompson from Cisco Systems (Member), Ms. Hongxia Hao from Huawei (Observer), and Steve Baillargeon from Ericsson (Observer)
Co-chair remarks, notables, possible motions, etc.
* Other News from TC members (outside of Ad Hoc group reports)?
Interoperability Subcommittee Report (Chair: Luc Boutier)
Note: Group is now meeting on a monthly basis while test assertions are gathered offline
* JOIN HERE (remember to remind your OASIS Primary Representative to approve afterwards)
* Find the OASIS TOSCA Test Assertion Repo here
* * To contribute to the Repo, you will need to sign an individual CLA (see FAQ for more on individual (and optional entity) CLAs here)
** Please contact the TC Co-Chairs (Paul and/or John), if you are interested in being a co-maintainer of the repo
* IMPORTANT: TC Members are still invited to self-nominate for the role Co-Chair or Vice Chair
NOTE: Ad Hoc Reports (Exact Order to be Determined During Meeting by Co-Chairs)
See explanation of OASIS document types and typical cadence
REPORT: Ad Hoc on Containers and Clustering, e.g., Docker (lead: Hemal Surti)
* TOSCA-174 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)
* TC briefing slides from 2016-04-21: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=57998&wg_abbrev=tosca
NFV and SDN Ad Hoc Group (co-leaders: Shitao Li and Fengkai Li)
* TOSCA-221 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)
* Latest Liaison Statement candidate (TC-approved): https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=58759&wg_abbrev=tosca
* 2016-09-07 meeting notes: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=58849&wg_abbrev=tosca
* NOTE: Latest TC-approved milestone is CSD03 of 2016-03-17! See spec here.
* NOTE: The latest NFV working draft (WD04, REV2) can be found here.
YAML Simple Profile (v1.1 and v1.2) Ad Hoc (co-leaders: Luc Boutier and Matt Rutkowski)
* TOSCA-7 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)
* NOTE: TC-approved v1.1 CSD01 can be found here
* NOTE: Latest v1.2 Working Draft (rev 3) can be found here
* Older v1.0 OASIS Standard documents
Instance Model Ad Hoc Group (co-leaders: Derek Palma and Alessandro Rossini)
* TOSCA-275 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)
* 2016-09-22 meeting notes: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=58954&wg_abbrev=tosca
Technical Marketing & Education Ad Hoc (co-leaders: Jeremy Hess and Lowell Higley)
* TOSCA-131 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)
* 2016-09-13 meeting notes: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=58894&wg_abbrev=tosca
** All current TC approved videos at the OASIS TOSCA YouTube Playlist
* ALL! CALL FOR INFORMATION on implementations, papers, and other resources (see email here)
Monitoring Ad Hoc Group (co-leaders: Luca Gioppo and Saji Thoppil)
* TOSCA-216 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)
TABLED: Ad Hoc on Network Features ()
* TOSCA-173 (general group activity, and suggestions/questions/contributions from TC members)
Report on E3C Meeting with TOSCA Experts
* See presentation used: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=58642&wg_abbrev=tosca
NOTE: ADDITIONAL TIME CAN BE ALLOCATED TO INTER-AD HOC WORKGROUP DISCUSSION AND COORDINATION, TIME PERMITTING
Newly-Introduced Issues -- Brief Introduction by Issue Reporter, Q&A, and Identifying any Interested Parties To Help, etc.
* TOSCA-278 (Complex Compute + Docker + Network + Apache + MySQL Use case) - Luca (9 Sept)
* TOSCA-286 (NetworkInfo example missing 'properties' keyname) - Matt (22 Mar)
* TOSCA-287 (Substitution mappings need to allow for mapping inputs/outputs to/from props/attrs) - Matt (22 Mar)
* TOSCA-288 (Specification must state whether TOSCA string names are case sensitive or not) - Chris (23 Mar)
* TOSCA-289 (Invalid definition for tosca.capabilities.Compute.Container.Architecture) - Chris (28 Mar)
* TOSCA-290 (Error in type of port in doc) - Luca (31 Mar)
* TOSCA-292 (Normative tosca.interfaces.relationship.Configure doesn't work for HostedOn relationship) - Chris (05 Apr)
* TOSCA-295 (Missing definitions for compute architectures) - John (03 Jun)
* TOSCA-296 (Forwarding graph examples) - John (03 Jun)
* TOSCA-297 (Add Network Service Descriptor (NSD) using substitution mapping) - John (03 Jun)
* TOSCA-298 (Add Virtual Network Function Component (VNFC)) - John (03 Jun)
* TOSCA-299 (Fix VNF Forwarding Graph schema) - John (03 Jun)
* TOSCA-300 (Inconsistent specification for Interface Types) - Chris (13 Jun)
* TOSCA-301 (Wrong grammar definition pointing to non existent type) - Luca (11 Jul)
* TOSCA-302 (Missing unique requirement for properties) - Luca (11 Jul)
* TOSCA-303 (Attribute status pointing to property one) - Luca (11 Jul)
* TOSCA-306 (Proposal of mapping of VNFD IEs to TOSCA Types) - Thinh (18 Jul)
* TOSCA-307 (tosca.nodes.nfv.CP: tosca.nodes.network.Port profile contains parmsthat are not mapping with IFA011 elements requirements) - Thinh (18 Jul)
* TOSCA-308 (tosca.nodes.nfv.VL-> tosca.nodes.network.Network profile contains parameters that are not mapping with IFA011 elements requirements) - Thinh (18 Jul)
* TOSCA-309 (tosca.nodes.nfv.VNF is required changes to align with IFA011 requirements) - Thinh (18 Jul)
* TOSCA-311 (Adding vEPC NSD example) - Shitao (29 Jul)
Cross-cutting Concerns, Issues, Suggestions, Questions for ALL v1.1 Documents and Deliverables
NOTE: All the below issues at the discretion of the co-chairs and time permitting. As always, technical issues must be posted in JIRA issues at least 48 hours to be considered by the TC. Naturally, any TC member can create or comment on a JIRA issue. Upload related documents to the OASIS website (please add links to the uploaded document in the JIRA issue). Please contact the co-chairs if you have any questions or problems.
* TOSCA-108: Catch-all for All Editorial Suggestions That Do NOT Change Semantics, e.g., spelling, grammar, readability
REMINDER: While a general approach can be decided by motion, specific proposals and contributions need to be JIRA issue
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul calls meeting to order at 9:11am pacific. We have reached quorum.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul makes motion to approve proposed agenda as posted.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Juergen seconds.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Motion passed by unanimous consent.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul makes motion to approve draft minutes of Sept. 29 meeting as posted by Juergen.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Damian seconds.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Motion passes by unanimous consent.
Hemal Surti morphed into Hemal Surti (Cisco)
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul reminds people that TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML v1.0 is going through public review.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): TOSCA Simple Profile in YAML v1.1 in the pipeline and currently going through review as well.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Matt makes TC aware of the fact that the Aria TOSCA open source project has been proposed as an Apache project in mid-August and is now an incubated object. What do we need to do to make sure that Apache is aware of the TC's position about this project since Apache wants to position it as a "reference implementation".
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul and Matt plan to discuss this off-line and report back.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Next agenda item: report on Interoperability Ad Hoc. Matt stresses the importance of formalizing test cases so we can prove conformance.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Matt invites people who want to see TOSCA succeed to participate in the Interop work and submit test cases.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Matt invites people who want to see TOSCA succeed to participate in the Interop work and submit test cases.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul presents an idea: can we make TC members more comfortable with creating tests if we have Luc walk through the process of creating test assertions during a future TC meeting.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Matt suggests it might make sense to host reference implementations on the OASIS github repo.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Matt observes that it is typical for a github repo to include a README file that contains all the necessary instructions for using that repo. If those instructions are insufficient, we should improve the documentation.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul stresses again the importance of making sure that all TOSCA implementations in our ecosystem are interoperable.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Next agenda item: update on Container and Clustering Ad-Hoc by Hemal Surti.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Hemal walks through his presentation (which has been uploaded to the portal)
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tosca/document.php?document_id=59082
Paul Lipton (co-chair) public: Motion from Paul: "The TC approves, in principle, the research and conclusions created by the Container and Clustering Ad Hoc Group, and accepts the group's recommendation that they now disband in order to continue their work, as individuals, within the various other ad hoc groups, most notably the YAML ad hoc group with the goal of integrating their research recommendations into future releases of TOSCA."
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Damian seconds.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Motion passes by unanimous consent.
Paul Lipton (co-chair) public: Motion from Paul: The TC thanks Hemal Surti for his leadership of the TOSCA TC's Container and Clustering Ad Hoc Group.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Matt wholeheartedly seconds
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Motion passes by unanimous consent.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Next agenda item: Matt provides update on Simple Profile in YAML ad-hoc
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Matt has been juggling TOSCA work with his other project (around serverless). Luc has done work on when to use group types vs. abstract node types. Chris also proposing to do work around formalizing composition and how artifacts can represent entire topologies. We will also incorporate the work done by the Container Ad-Hoc.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul suggests that the YAML ad-hoc group should consider creating a whitepaper on TOSCA for microservices.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Matt reports that he has received similar work around NFV etc. Also reminds the TC that we have been invited to contribute an IEEE article.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul solicits more participation in the NFV work group.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Paul would like to see such a whitepaper become a TC-approved document.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Thinh inquires about the timeline for the IEEE paper. When are we supposed to create our submission and when will it be published?
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Damian reports about the process: we first iterate on the table of contents. Once there is agreement, then the paper will get written. With reviews, this will take a couple of months, after which the paper is submitted. Then we will receive comments, we will edit, and resubmit. There is no real deadline.
Chris Lauwers (Scribe): Thinh is happy to help with the NFV paper. He proposes that when the NFV ad-hoc finalizes acceptable content, members of the ad-hoc can provide content. This will likely not happen until December or January.